MR Fett

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by soltic, Feb 15, 2006.

  1. soltic

    soltic Active Member

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    Dying to know what's up w/ this lid.

    Colors seem to be close but outside that there's no wavy brow, proper weathering etc. etc.

    Was the original laser scanned????

    Anyone?????

    -Rod
     
  2. allosaur176

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    It is a mock-up prototype, I'm sure that the final product will be more accurate.... The photos that were posted had some of the detail drowned out by the lighting and the flask of the camera....
     
  3. soltic

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    Any ideas what they're basing their measurements on - I know LFL grants MR exposure to real props but was there molds taken from the original - was it scanned?
     
  4. jordankarr

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    Also keep in mind what MR said about thier Stormie helmet. They took the orginal scaned it cleaned it up and made it symetrical. So Suspect that the MR Fett will be treated with the same manner. So it will be symetrical so it will probably look a bit weird.
     
  5. vaderdarth

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    Also the process of making these helmets symmetrical is sort of unusual. They don't just pick their favorite side and mirror it...............they actually combine each side with it's opposite side to create a truly symmetrical helmet that keeps the properties of both sides. That is a pretty unique process. The end result should look really clean and even, yet retain the original prop's properties.

    Most companies tend to just mirror the cleanest side of the object and just be done with it.

    The paint ops don't look horrid on the prototype, but I'd bet good $$ MR will still improve upon it before releasing it. If I'm not mistaken, that little silver doodad on the one cheek is machined. That in itself is a cool feature if it's true. :)

    Dave
     
  6. Tyler Durden

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    The MR Fett helmet is being discussed at TDH:

    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=11416

    For the most part, MR has kept the "base" asymmetry. Compared against Rogue Studios original casting, some of the most rough areas on the original were smoothed over. But it does not appear that they did the old "scan and flip."
     
  7. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    Edit: See post above.
     
  8. soltic

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    I'm a little confused - that TDH thread is apparently a "re"thread - it looks like the original thread which discussed "templates" has been erased due to CoC respect issues......

    I would have loved to have read what that original thread contained - especially FP's thoughts on the matter..... could that thread have not been edited?

    -Rod
     
  9. Durasteel Corporation

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    I was waiting for this thread..... :lol


    Yeah Ive got a feeling it will be sanitized as 99% of the population --many of whom are uber fett fans----dont even realize it was cast off a football helmet, so that tells you a lot right there.
     
  10. blufive

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    I thought he was talking about the board member "Mr. Fett".

    Nevermind.

    :)
     
  11. soltic

    soltic Active Member

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    :lol :lol :lol

    Wait a minute, sayswhoziwhat?? :confused

    Geez, owned my MSH2 for some time now, did lots of research, but never in my day did I hear that.

    Missed the boat again?? Seriously, I remember discussion that it was assumed to be military related dome....
     
  12. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    It was not "sanitized" like the MR trooper bucket although some necessary cleanup work from the scan had to be done.

    Proof?
     
  13. Durasteel Corporation

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  14. soltic

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    So then the original was scanned?
     
  15. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    Cleaned up bugs me though.


    How is the helmet being advertised? That would seem to be a huge factor in all this. Ya know, "A" Fett helmet or Boba Fett helmet

    vs.

    ESB Fett helmet

    vs.

    ROTJ Fett helmet

    vs.

    SE Fett helmet

    vs.

    LFL archive shelf helmet

    vs.

    Ridell. :p
     
  16. Neon Sentry

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    Just like an AA action figure :D

    No danger to the original prop, and still completely accurate to, what was the estimate, .5mm?

    I think it'd be better budgetwise than an original sculpt and would appease the fans by being accurate to the original (well... until they start to idealize it). And I'm sure 'ol Georgie'd feel more comfy with scans instead of molds
     
  17. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    Yes, the PP3 was scanned and the helmet is being painted ESB style.

     
  18. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Well-Known Member

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    Cancel the red alert... :lol
     
  19. soltic

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    Am I missing the boat again, or falling for someone's sense of humor - I thought that SE Fett incorporated the ESB bucket w/ the ROTJ armor / gaunts etc....

    I wasn't aware of an SE bucket.

    PP3 = Preproduction? Is this the one that was in private hands?

    Ok, so MR took scans but ...still confused re the above.... :rolleyes
     
  20. Tyler Durden

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    Correct, there is no SE helmet per se. The helmet used in ROTJ SE and subsequent promotional events and pictures is the ESB hero, which has been on tour at AOSW exhibits.

    The Preproduction three helmet is the one Joe Johnston is sanding/painting in Chronicles. It is obviously still in the archives.

    [​IMG]
     
  21. Art Andrews

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    No. The PP3 is at the archives as TD pointed out. The PP2 is the helmet that is in private hands.

    [attachmentid=6614]
     
  22. Durasteel Corporation

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    yeah I thought you guys would catch that :D



    Frankly the price is whats gonna be the factor. I cant see this thing going for any less than 6 at least, especially with the paint job.

    Anyone want to wager on the price?
     
  23. Star Wars Helmets

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    Sorry if i've come into this thread late but according to the Rebelscum forum, moffeatons did the paint job on the proto.

    As that would have had a hand painted finish, whats the likelyhood MR could create a production version as good? (thats not a rhetorical question btw as I really dont know)

    Given the price of the clones I would have thought MR would be looking for a similar price point, i.e. $450-$500, and maybe get Jeremy B to do a SE version for $700-$800?

    Cheers

    Jez
     
  24. Durasteel Corporation

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    But clones are a much more simple paint job. And in general, a simpler helmet. (there are moving parts on old Fetty remember ;)
     
  25. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Look at the AT-AT and the Snowspeeder. They replicated things really well.
     
  26. RKW

    RKW Sr Member

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    If ever there was going to be an MR helmet recast I can see this being the one unfortunately. It's going to be good bye MS1/2, Bobamaker etc and hello MR. Unless of course MR goes the DP route and just puts too many errors into it making it too much effort to fix.
     
  27. Durasteel Corporation

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    oh I wouldnt say that about the DP route... :) Just gotta know what was done to it first....then how to carefully reconstruct. My fett helmet project rather reminds me of some of those archeologists searching in the jungles of central and south america...they find a clue, a key, the tip of a tower so they keep digging deeper and or peeling away vines. Its there, just gotta ask yourself: did they add or subtract. Thats where it gets a bit mind numbing and why I break for a month or two in between a week or two of working on it. ....and why its been a friggin four year long project which Ill probably finish when Im 90. :lol
     
  28. DarthWillie

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    From the photo's the biggest problem seems te be that it's too clean. It looks like a new helmet, with painted damage. I'll wait to see what te definit version looks like.
     
  29. DL 44 Blaster

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    I questioned this over at TDH before the thread was yanked :rolleyes ...so I'll ask again. Was,or is it known whether the FIRST ESB painted helmet was the HERO helmet that was used on screen and is currently on tour?

    The level of intricate and immense detail seems to reside on this helmet alone and the subsequent ESB helmets seem to be all painted from this "master" therefore much less detail is evident to the keen eye.

    Again,it just seems this way to me and was wondering if this is the case or if it is even known. IF that IS the case why wasn't someone flown to access this HERO helmet for photos.,inspection,etc. for recreation of this paintjob rather than a lesser quality version of the original??....I won't even go into the crack/fix/flare thing that has become synonymous with the ESB helmet ;)

    Steve
     
  30. Tyler Durden

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    Nope, the helmet at AOSW and tour is the "hero" helmet from ESB.

    It's unclear which was painted first: the ESB Hero or the Preproduction three. I think we assume the preproduction three was painted first because we see it in development in Chronicles and not the ESB. However, that doesn't mean the ESB wasn't already painted.

    And yes, both the ESB and Prepro three are painted with an amazing amount similarity, so obviously one was intended to the match the other.

    [​IMG]
     
  31. DL 44 Blaster

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    Tyler,I was clear on the ESB tour helmet being the same ESB Hero helmet from on screen.....I just wish we knew which one was painted first. The brow scratch is on a more angle downward on the PP3 amongst some other key scratches. Without high res. pics of the PP3 I just can't tell which has more detail. I would presume that whichever one has the greater detail was the "master".

    Does anyone have high res. pics of the PP3?

    Steve
     
  32. Tyler Durden

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    I believe you will find that both helmets share exactly the same amount of detail, or as close as you can get with such a paintjob. It's pretty clear they were intended to be equals at the very least. The ESB-style stunt helmets show a huge loss of detail in the paint work, and you just don't see that kind of of drop-off between the ESB and Prepro 3.
     
  33. Art Andrews

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    I agree with TD, these helmets were meant to be interchangable and should both be considered to have "hero" paint jobs, unlike the ESB stunts. I would liken comparing the ESB Hero and the PP3 to comparing the RotJ chest/ab armor at Mom to the RotJ chest/ab armor at AoSW.
     
  34. Jango_Fett_Jr

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    Yep, they are remarkably similar, especially to the untrained eye. To anyone else, these helmets would be considered identical. However as far as I can tell the ESB Hero is the only one that appears on screen and in promotional photos for ESB.
     
  35. soltic

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    Is it me, or do these new pictures show absolutely NO helmet flare at all :confused ...

    http://www.rebelscum.com/tf2006/tf06-MRbobafett/default.asp


    I mean the sides look absolutely perpindicular to me......

    After all this time could those that always suggested that it was the camera focal length yaddah yaddah was the culprit all along were right?? That the actual lid had no flare???

    Hmmmm......
     
  36. Art Andrews

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    Again, Keep in mind this was NOT scanned from the ESB Hero that is seen at AOSW. The ESB Hero at AoSW is the helmet that is attributed with having flare. However, I believe the flare is only a SLIGHT difference and it has been blown WAY out of proportion over the years until people have a vision in their head of the jedi helmet being squished and pinched while the ESB is almsot bell shaped. This simply is not a reality. While the PP3 is painted like the ESB Hero, the shape is slightly different. There is some evidence that the ESB Hero seen at AoSW took some servere damage and was repaired in both the back and front, unintentionally giving it a SLIGHT amount more flare than the typical Fett helmet. Let me say that again... the ESB is NOT typical. It is the oddball, not the other way around.
     
  37. DL 44 Blaster

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    Hey...us ESB'ers take offense to comments like that :p ;)

    Steve
     
  38. Durasteel Corporation

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    Believe it or not BB, I agree. I used to think otherwise based on a few of those ESB promo shows in which Fett is photographed from the vantage below the helmet, making it seem super wide. Its the deluxe that was squashed all to hell.

    The flare might be better described as the "angle of the sides" because flare sorta suggests an outward curving.

    Did a little sketch to explain the basic reason why the deluxe looks smaller....and why the sides and which helps to elaborate more on what BB was saying about the flare. ITS A SKETCH GUYS.....not drawn to perfect proportions ....if the flat top didnt suggest it :D

    [​IMG]
     
  39. RKW

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    Does the PP3 have the wavy brow or was that unique to the hero?

    Will MR even retain it if it does exist?
     
  40. Durasteel Corporation

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    THer hero has the wavy brow....as if to say:

    [​IMG]
     
  41. moffeaton

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    Does the Hero have electronics in the rangefinder? Does it have a little graphic in the Rangefinder "lens"? That might indicate which had more attention paid to it?
     
  42. Art Andrews

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    No it does not. That is unique to the ESB Hero. It appears the "wave" is due to a correction to damage on the ESB bucket.


    Yes, the ESB Hero does have electronics but it lacks the graphic in the lens. From what we know:
    PP2 - Wired for electronics
    PP3 - Has electronics
    ESB Hero - Has electronics
    RotJ - Wired for electronics

    The PP2 has a graphic in its lens and it was never even used on screen so I am not sure that the graphic in the lens indicates more attention.
     
  43. soltic

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    What I find interesting is the overall the direction where this may be going :thumbsup .

    @ the end of the day this what I think I'm hearing on this MR release: we've got an LE Fett lid - which has been determined by 2TDH "heavyweights", so to say, as being scanned NOT from a Hero but a preproduction.

    & it's also stated that "the hero lid", is the one everyone has seen (in the movie) & mostly on display which has always been considered the "bell shape" in "most" (including myself) people's minds.

    & it's this lid that lids like FP's last "Movie Size(d) Helmet" (MSH2)& (Sgt Fang's?) the "Mystery Helmet" (MH) emulated.... (some better than others).....

    So @ the end of the day - correct me if I'm wrong - this MR lid has no ESB screen attributes as far as flare.... or wavy brow.... but more of what "people may remember" as being a ROTJ Hero lid in shape.... ???....
     
  44. soltic

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    .. missed reading this before the last post - thanks Jez.....

    -Rod
     
  45. Durasteel Corporation

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    The ROTJ helmet, which I believe was the MOM helmet is nearly identical in overall shape.

    I did not think it was until I "discovered" a photo my friend took at the DC MOM which is...to this day...the best front on (or mugshot) photo of the MOM helmet I have ever seen.

    An overlay comparison of this helmet on the AOSW helmet and on several screen caps (there is a great shot in ROTJ when Fett is looking across a barge or skiff) in which his helmet is about 97% dead on with the camera.

    So regardless of film caps, I can say that the MOM helmet and AOSW helmet are extremely close in shape. I also stood in front as about 8 measurements were taken on of the MOM helmet and these match a number of known measurements.

    I think the MR version will be quite kickin, no doubt. Just wish I had the money.

    what is that old saying...."the cobblers children have no shoes"

    So much for a professional costume and reproduction specialist. :p
     
  46. Art Andrews

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  47. WebChief

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    Other way around man. ;)
     
  48. Art Andrews

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    Doh. There went all of my credibility right out the window. Would it help if I told you when I was a child that my grandmother put an "L" and an "R" on my shoes so I would know which is which... The problem was there was no coorisponding "L" and "R" on my feet.

    Editted above post for clarity.
     
  49. RKW

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    They could just give it a ROTJ paint job and say that it's a perfect replica of the screen used helmet.

    Just a shame that the ROTJ helmet was painted by 3yr olds. Although this might aid the Chinese production line and QC department.
     
  50. E2K13

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    It is a huge misconception that the ROTJ helmet was an easier paint job. My preference is still for the ESB but the ROTJ helmet has a ton of deep scrapes as well as small detailed painting areas which are often overlooked. To actually get a good ROTJ paint job though the helmet would need a lot of carving on first.
     

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