Mattel Proton Pack - speculation

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by GeneralFROSTY, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    Despite the naysayers, I do believe Mattel will at some point give us a replica proton pack.
    For those who believe as I do, I'd like to discuss the potential and the possibilites of this item - which no one would argue there is a demand for.

    Points to discuss:

    -What electonic features does the pack NEED to have and what would be nice to have.

    -Based on level of accuracy, electronical engineering and overall quality, what price point would be fair?

    -What areas do we feel Mattel may miss or hit the mark in replicating this prop.
     
  2. JoeLuna33

    JoeLuna33 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    I really don't think its an option for Mattel. For them to make it anywhere near "affordable" they would have to cut so many corners in design that it would most likely end up looking like a foam stunt pack.

    Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see what they would come up with.
     
  3. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    No one believed in the trap and look what we have now.... I think people just keep saying that they would have to cut too many corners but it is unfounded.

    I'll take a crack at your points frosty:

    -Lights and sounds (at least) perhaps the theme (at most)

    -300

    -It will be all plastic. Probably no alice frame but that will be an easy remedy. Probably same type of molded cables for the rainbow cable and the wires (which will be easy to replace as on the trap).
     
  4. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    I think they can do it, but It will probably be between 350 and 400. But they have surprised me on the pricing already with their other props.

    I agree, all plastic and the alice pack will be an issue they probably won't add on, although it may not be that much more costly to do so. They have done an incredible job on electronics and sound, so I honestly think they can do so with this as well. I did my electronics with a minimal effort and wiring, so it can be done. The issue is how accuracy versus the price and costing of components.

    This should be the next project, given the demand and line already produced.
    However...
    There is always the possibility they may continue on with the GB3 designs next.
     
  5. JoeLuna33

    JoeLuna33 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    OK so if it is say $300.

    You do like some are doing with the trap, ie mod the hell out of it by replacing all non accurate parts with accurate ones. By the time you are done you will have bought most all of the parts to build your own but you'll have a cheap plastic shell.
     
  6. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    I guess I am hoping we can get a great pack replica for a reasonable price, but part of me wants to go ahead and pull the trigger on buying a high-end fan made replica.
    At least that way, I know the parts are all high-quality, with pretty much no mods needed. The downfall, no fancy packaging and an official license to back it up.
     
  7. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    There is no way gb3 will factor into their decisions considering it hasn't even been greenlit yet.
     
  8. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    Understand with the fan made pack, you will have a hardy pack that can take the punishment and looks real. As much as Mattel can do and as much as you can probably can mod it, it won't be a hard tough base to pop everything else onto as you get with the fan packs. ( although... you never know for sure) It will not look as good as a fan pack though. But I bet it can be modded to do a pretty darn good job, so I know I will be looking to get at least one if I can.

    The issue i have is that modding destroys the value of a licensed collectible. If you want to have a great pack, I would think it would be best to just make one. But for the average collector and GB fan, a Matty pack would be a must have for any GB collection.
     
  9. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    Tripoli, will you get a matty pack?

    I, personally, consider myself an average collector when it comes to GB so I am stoked to hear if they do a pack.

    I remember how exciting it was to hear the trap announced with all of its features. They went above and beyond with the trap so I expect they will with a pack.

    edit: again, you don't start a product line without doing market research. Part of that research entails planning a line of releases. It would almost be irresponsible not to do the pack now!
     
  10. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    Agreed 100%.
    For Mattel to NOT do the pack would be irresponsible.
     
  11. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    And there already seems to be an obvious progression from smaller to larger props.

    PKE<Ghost Trap<Proton Pack<Ecto 1 full size, working car (entirely plastic, of course)
     
  12. Larry Young

    Larry Young Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,645
    I'd get one, from anywhere between $300 and $500. My ghost trap is awesome, and my kid loves it.
     
  13. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    I have three built packs right now. I absolutely would get at least one of the Matty packs if not more depending on the price and quality. Given everything else Matty has done, the second factor does not seem to be an issue so far.
     
  14. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    I guess Im just on the fence right now.
    Im shopping around for a completed pack and am looking to pay upwards of $900 for one that has full lights and sounds.
    My main concern with a potential Mattel pack is just what everyone has been saying - very plastic all over and littered with shortcuts.
     
  15. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    I don't think you would go wrong building your own pack. Once you get the parts, it really is not all that difficult to assemble, just a bit time consuming but I have done multiple packs in less than a week once I have the parts.

    Probably a good measure of what Matty can do is to look at the trap. It is a solid piece, electronics are incredible but it does look plastic. Not bad at all, but there is a bit of fragility with it. The average person on the street would not notice, a prop replica person or cosplay person would immediately. But add a Matty pack with a good outfit (jumpsuit, pads belt etc), I think even most in the prop community would find it to be a pretty darn good piece to wear.

    THAT IS assuming Matty IS going to make the pack. There is no absolute on that yet.
     
  16. Davlin

    Davlin Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    566
    Hmm, sorry, I'll count as a naysayer... But I don't think it is possible at a decent price.

    Matty has blessed us with the PKE and the Ghost trap. Both are small objects. Both include a high level of accuracy and quality, and I think ( but can be wrong ) that the little changes here and then are just decisions made to ease the production.

    The trap is purely awesome, worth its price.

    BUT

    The trap is already more than 100 $ and is a "small" object. I saw $300 as a price for the pack, but that wouldn't even cover the material cost IMHO. To make something that big (the pack covers an adult's back ), that heavy, to include all the details and the electronics ? I don't picture it at $300, sorry. I don't picture them cutting down the quality to ship a crappy-but-cheap pack. I don't think they can do it at an affordable price, unfortunately.

    This is why I think their next prop might rather be the Googles, to stay around the $100 mark price.

    My two cents. :))
     
  17. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    Plastic is cheap. Material cost for the plastic alone for a pack would cost Mattel no more than 10 dollars.
     
  18. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    People will pay upwards of $700 for a Star Wars helmet replica that does nothing but sit there and look pretty.
    I have no doubt collectors would shell out $500 for a Proton Pack replica that has all the bells and whistles.
     
  19. Sundowner

    Sundowner Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    4,100
    I see Mattel producing something middle of the road as far as price and quality. I see a fairly decent pack that we prop nuts can tinker with to bring it up to our standards. Probably around $400-$500 range.
     
  20. Onkelpsycho

    Onkelpsycho Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,486
    Nah, I dont believe they make a pack...

    I still believe they make figures till the end of 2012 and thats it for Matty with the GB line...

    And hey, I dont think it would be very acurate. I dont believe there would be an alice pack frame or something.

    And of course a lot of people were p***** off, because Mattys release plans are a little bit.... lets call it strange... The end of Club Ecto 1, the release of two pricy figure packs, both in one month... There are not many matty friends out, as in the beginnings...

    So, they would themselve a favour, if they make the last figures, and then its done...
     
  21. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    Matty has already said on their site they intend to stay strong with the GB line through 2012. GB fans on the site frankly are a bunch of whiners. There is quite a bit of negativity but once the collectors there get a great product, they then go to whine what they think they won't get next or that they are not getting enough items. They also assume quite a bit and then run on those false assumptions all the time. I don't know why, but the GB group on Matty creates quite the drama continually while getting treated to some of the best Ghostbusters product items ever produced. Matty is not great with communication but they don't deserve the amount of complaints they receive on that board.

    If you want an idea of how well the GB line is doing and how popular it is, then look at the secondary prices on eBay right now. Matty will have no problem continuing to sell this line.
     
  22. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    I agree with Tripoli. Everything about Matty canceling GB all together is conjecture. That place is bad news. If I remember correctly reading the forum rules, it basically says if someone is being a jerk, too bad.

    The club ecto subscription failure is not a part of their plan, it is that no one wants to pay extra to buy things in this economic climate.

    Even if the pack didn't include the frame, that is a cheap purchase and an easy fix.
     
  23. Onkelpsycho

    Onkelpsycho Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,486
    Hm, yeah, Im not one of the "can't get enough" guys. I like Matty release plans. I think 4 or 5 figures a year is enough. I just think, they won't do a favour to the fans releasing 2 12" packs in a month, especially for international customers.

    And of course, I would like if they stop the line, before it's getting boring.

    Think about. They have made a great PKE and ghost trap, the 12" figures were cool, so the 6", but we have 5 characters, a few ghosts and a lot of alternative versions.

    And the the point. With Dana, Vigo and the Rookie we're getting 3 new characters, but the GB line isn't very innovative, and thats why I think better stop, concentrate on other, better things and don't lead the line into something, what makes customers think, that Matty only want to make some quick bucks without put any work into their products...

    A Proton pack would be nice, but if it's getting not SA enough, then let it go or do something whats in a possible range, like Ectogoggles or a Gigameter or anything, I think every other prop from GB is easier...
     
  24. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    I still think people are only asserting that the pack could not be accurate enough. That doesn't make it true.

    I take the trap as proof that they can shut down the nay-sayers who said that it wouldn't be accurate at all or have any functionality. Look at it. It's pretty darn good in terms of accuracy and it has functionality up the wazoo!

    You'll see, in less that one year all of the nay-sayers will have to eat their words and ante up for this thing!
     
  25. Sundowner

    Sundowner Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    4,100
    And that's why I left GB fans. Mattel isnt dumb they know folks are handing over double and triple the selling prices of they're other props.
     
  26. Onkelpsycho

    Onkelpsycho Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,486
    The nitpickers still thinking, the trap is not acurate enough... :lol

    I think theres a good comparison to Star Wars.

    Ok, we have some pretty nice props (Helmets, Lightsabres, etc.). Take it as a contrast to the trap. And then Rubies releases a Darth Vader costume and a stormtrooper armour (contrast to the proton pack).

    Some guys say: Eh, thats a pretty nice costume replica, especially for the price. Other people say: A pretty good start, but I have to change something here and there...
    And other people say: Forget it. That doesn't look like Vader.

    I think its the same with the GBs. Some people would be proud of a matty pack, because thats a real (almost) proton pack. Some people say: Yes, nice pack, but lets add something here and there to make it more accurate. And we have the people, who won't buy this pack, and build the packs by hand as always, because something is wrong or not SA or whatever...

    I dont know what will happen, but personally I would like to have a 98% pack, what cost me about $600, than a 94% pack, what comes from matty for $300.

    And thats only one reason. Of course another is, that there is no fun to build pack... :)
     
  27. Prologic9

    Prologic9 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    Matty is all about releasing affordable toys and collectibles. That's what their business is based on. Could they produce a Pack for $500-600? I think they absolutely could.

    What I don't believe is that they would ever release anything at a $600 price point. That's why they won't do a pack.
     
  28. thegreatgalling

    thegreatgalling Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,465
    I think it comes down to feasibility. I'm pretty sure Mattel is well aware of the sizable market interested in GB items. If they CAN do it, there is no reason they wouldn't.

    A plastic formed pack that is mostly one piece, with a plastic alice frame, but electronics sounds within reason to me after seeing the trap.

    I also disagree Mattel wouldn't venture to sell a $500 item. I think for this one, they know that if you build it, they will come. If they can keep their own costs down, there is no doubt this would be a lightening fast sell out. I would have never pegged them for selling prop replicas period, and yet they started down that path.

    Part of me thinks, however, that a Geiger Meter or Goggles would be the logical next step.
     
  29. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    In the end, what Mattel is producing are TOYS.
    They inflate the price because they know only adult collectors are buying them.
    The "Definitive Edition" Buzz Lightyear from Thinkway is just as if not MORE complicated a product than the ghost trap and it retails for $60.
    The PKE and Trap are not more spectacular in quality than Buzz or any other number of electronic toys on the market right now.
    If Mattel were to mass-produce their replicas the price would be cheaper I think, but they are certainly taking advantage of the fact that adult collectors are buying them.
     
  30. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    I don't think Matty inflates the prices too much. Remember, Disney/Thinkway sells a HUGE volume of Buzz Lightyears. Matty is producing a limited number with a high R&D and licensing cost which does not give them that much leeway for profit given their prices. The more volume, the more economy of scale in production that makes such much cheaper to produce with Disney.

    Matty COULD sell more and try to market them in further mass production scale production, but it sounds like they feel the market may not be there and its considered a risky venture for them. They look at a more conservative business model in making their prop lines, something I and many others wish they would expand out a bit more with more confidence.
     
  31. exoray

    exoray Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,631
    Matty is owned by Mattel, the largest toy manufacturer in the world, they have full time R&D staff on the payroll as well as having the entire manufacturing and production work flow lined up and secured in exclusive factories... They are not a small scale operation that has to sub out or contract out the majority of the work and manufacturing, quite the opposite...

    They might not sell huge volumes of the Matty line but the massive overhead for a small volume run is not felt nearly as much for them as it is for smaller companies... For them it's as easy as sending off a new 12" doll design to be run on the existing Barbie manufacturing lines (no different then a new 'Ken' doll design), the molding machines, raw materials, experienced staff, painters, box manufactures blah, blah, blah is already in place and working for them, just a minor change up at the factory and they are off and running...
     
  32. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    True, and I really feel people who hare against the Mattel line should consider the fact that they are really trying hard to appeal to our community and have given us two GREAT "toys" that we would have LOVED to have had when we were growing up - but even better, we have them now!
     
  33. Davlin

    Davlin Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    566
    If they do a Proton Pack for a decent price, with the same quality as the Trap, I'll be very happy to come back here and post a picture of myself kneeled down with a huge " sorry " sign in my hands.

    But I stand to what I said, I don't picture them with multi hundred bucks prices and I still think that the Googles or Gigameter are next.
     
  34. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    I think research would probably show that goggles and the gigameter are not that popular. Again, goggles may also fall under costume items; so goggles may infringe on Rubies license. They are completely out of the question.

    Matty is producing definite market hits with "staple" props. The things EVERYONE would want and know about.
     
  35. Rusty85

    Rusty85 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,535
    I hope to god these make one of these, I think they did great things with the Trap and Pke.
     
  36. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    It's an accepted conclusion that for Mattel to have the license to do Ghostbusters props, it would be important to produce a pack replica. It is THE prop of the Ghostbusters movies.
     
  37. JoeLuna33

    JoeLuna33 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    ^^^Agree totally with the first half^^^

    The gigameter was so little used that unless you are a hardcore GB fan, you may not even know what it is, kind of like the KUD meter. As for the goggles. They would sell tons of them if they can get passed the fact that the US military owns the rights to the frames. They a milspec part and to recreate them you would need to get permission from the military. It can be done and IMO it should be done.
     
  38. Onkelpsycho

    Onkelpsycho Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,486
    Yes, but its one of the holy grail props, a very famous prop, and a prop where you can make hundrets of mistakes...

    Thats like Sideshow produces after the golden idol and the kali chalice not the holy grail (what would be logical), but a grail diary...

    I really dont know... :confused

    Of course I try to see things with the eyes of a "do-it-myself" guy, a shell, and some parts are in my garage, ready to make a pack from it... Now I buy lots of stuff for hundret of dollars, build it, glue it, paint it, put light and sound in it...

    I get a strange feeling, knowing theres something comin' out (possibly), ready to bust, without all the work... I think if we can buy a whole pack, the "magic" is gone... I can't tell anyone, when he asks me where I got the pack: "build it".

    Its not like the trap, put it on the belt and play a little bit with it... The pack is a main part of the whole GB costume...

    I dont know... Something's bothering me with the idea of a pack by Matty...

    Know what I mean? Its not the fact, that Matty could do something wrong, or make it just 95% acurate or 90% or whatever. And its not that, that it could look like cheap plastic or wrong details... It's just something what says: Maybe its better without a licensed proton pack replica by matty...
     
  39. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    Speak for yourself! Make one if you can, that's great! For more casual fans who don't feel like delving into the research, a Matty pack will do.
     
  40. Rusty85

    Rusty85 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,535
    The cost of building your own accurate pack is also very high, or at least it has been for me. That's been enough of an obstacle that I haven't even started work on the gun, lights, or sound. It is fun, don't get me wrong, but the idea of having something functional for a cheap price compared to authentic replicas costing an arm and a leg is very appealing.
     
  41. CinnamonB

    CinnamonB Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    511
    I'm expecting a proton gun (or neutrona wand, call it whatever) more than a full pack. That's more the scale they're working on, and would be more than profitable enough for them.


    So my money is on a proton gun next year. I would have said last year would be the goggles, but they went straight to the trap, and there's no way they'll go back a step now.
     
  42. benhs1898

    benhs1898 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,080
    The thrower is useless without the pack. That would be a huge misstep.
     
  43. GeneralFROSTY

    GeneralFROSTY Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,455
    Agreed. That would just be a waste of time. If you think the GB community complained about the trap and PKE, just imagine the PR attacks they will get if they release JUST the wand!
     
  44. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    Yep, the pack in whole but don't do the wand only. I find a Matty pack is being pretty darn cool, I would look forward to such as well the fact there are those who otherwise could not don on the whole outfit. Anything that allows other GB fans to be able to be outfitted is great in my eyes. THAT issue alone makes for an incredible reason for Matty to go for this project. And if it was anything close to the quality of the trap, I would not mind popping it on as well, most of the public would have no problem with identifying it and would not be turning up their noses to it, rather it would be a magnet just as the nicer replica prop builds are now to most people.

    The only worry I would have is that Matty would under manufacture these to the point they would be hard to find and purchase.
     
  45. thegreatgalling

    thegreatgalling Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,465
    Comic con Bump!!!

    Anybody make their way over to the Mattel booth? Just sniffing GB rumors...
     
  46. Sundowner

    Sundowner Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    4,100
    This teaser showed up from Mattel which is obviously a proton pack with some other stuff thrown in there.
    [​IMG]
     
  47. Onkelpsycho

    Onkelpsycho Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,486
    Tere is also a trap in it... So, what does this picture want us to show?

    Maybe the pack is just a paper decoration... :lol
     
  48. Bowelrock

    Bowelrock Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,671
    I see a trap, Giga meter, pack and some figures.


     
  49. Bonded Hawk

    Bonded Hawk Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    566
    Charlie's Angels?
     
  50. Filandrius

    Filandrius Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    935
    Isn't that the same exact teaser they posted last year before announcing the trap?
     

Share This Page