Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber

I think its safe to assume that the red button is what turns the thing on and off. The hole left by the button was plugged with a cone knob for ROTJ.

You can also see the wire hanging out and going up Alec's sleeve. I believe that the hole the wire came from was plugged with the fillister screw.

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I'm loving the shared stunt saber more and more....that photo really does it for me. The nail looks really "thick" in that pic. I'm trying to figure how it could fit through the clamp.......

Is the red raised button where the rotoscope was turned on from? Another cool aspect of the shared stunt.

I agree that a fan based V2 will look better than any idealized version MR will produce with a pristine or airbrushed paintjob. I love their ROTJ Luke hero however and still love my weathered OB1 ANH....I'd only prefer an all original parts one over it.
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Fresh from the scanner but not really much better than my last attempt.

It is looking pretty dark under the top lip of the clamp though which would mean no side bars in there.

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I can tell you that it's definitely NOT a bent nail in the graflex clamp. It is in fact a lever. Not a graflex lever to be sure, but a lever. The tension on it seems loose and so it flops away from the clamp allowing the clamp to rotate around the saber's body. The pommel cubes, D ring and cone knob change position throughout the movie.

When you examine how the saber is constructed you realise that the whole end of the V2 from the in front of the Cone knob pointing backwards comes off to allow you to get inside at the motor that orginally spun the shaft.

Research makes me believe that the V2 which Mark wears (mostly) on his belt and which features in all of the studio shot footage, was infact the Obi-Wan stunt version that you see in one of the posts above. It is cast from the wooden master that was offered up on eBay a couple of years ago, and matches the Obi in all its dims, even down the heavy black paint that covered it.

I also believe that the Shared Stunt as it's known on the POSW site, never saw light of day in its current incarnation in either ANH or JEDI. It looks like it was cleaned up to look like the Luke "hero" saber after the fact. The copper paint on it's neck covers a much darker mix of black, and the slim emmiter face has been unevenly ground down to a flat surface but still has traces of lack paint embedded in surface pits and scratches. However the graflex band with the holes in, and the graflex lever ARE on the saber Mark wears whilst scrabbling up the side of Jabba's sail barge so it's probable the Shared Stunt, as its become known, was used as a stand it there.

What we've previously believed to be the "hero" version, was used extensively in ROTJ, but it was in fact the STUNT LIGHTSABER. When Mark catches the lightsaber on the skiff he catches the V2. When he fights with it, the bladed version he uses has the same body as the "Hero" version. Kind of makes sense since they weren't using a revolving blade this time, the ricketty old ANH stunts weren't used. At least NOT in Yuma. Instead a solid machined handle with no groove in the neck was used with a blade attached using a set screw in the nipple.

The V2 was an old Obi Wan stunt lightsaber that was pressed into use for live action filming. The "hero" that was used in the extreme close-up in Vader's hands, is I believe a stunt lightsaber without the blade attached.

I hope that clears everything up:)

Barry
 
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Just thought I would add Probe Droid's excellent preview photo from the new Making of Star Wars book into this thread since some people were asking for clearer photos of the 'conduit' which appears to be just a bent nail (as Lonepigeon suggested) after all :)

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+ 1 bent-nail vote, until more concrete evidence says otherwise.
 
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Nice dents on the edge of the emitter here.

Is it just me or does there appear to be a sawn off rod ala Vader rotj, in the nipple here?


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Probably been said, but were there any commercial knock-offs of the AS handwheel, is it possible that they used one on the V2?
It would make for easy access to the motor.

...and that does resemble a nail.
 
I'm saying that the lightsaber prop that Luke wears and handles when it's not ignited in ROTJ is probably the very same stunt lightsaber that appears in Obi's hand in the post above with the blade detached.

Paint has either been deliberately rubbed off or it's worn away over the years. But the prop Luke carries in all the pictures MR have looks like this very same saber. And it's NOT a bent nail in the clamp.

But when the V2 is released if you want to add a bent nail, if that's what you see, then it'll be an easy thing to do. :)

Barry
 
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+ 1 bent-nail vote, until more concrete evidence says otherwise.
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I thought the same thing and I had better reference than what's been posted.
BUT Barry IS right. It's not a nail. It's a lever - same lever on the prop from ANH to ROTJ.
Barry's really done his homework on this one.

The pommel is part of the aluminum casting, but the gaps between the cubes was machined into the aluminum casts (the gaps are not on the master).

The clamp is only missing one sidebar which you can see in the ANH Obi-Wan shot (it will be much clearer once you see the actual book photo). The sidebar under the lever is still there.
 
I'm a little confused now as I'm not much of a ROTJ buff and haven't done much of any research on props & weapons from it. That being said could you just spoon feed me this once?

How many ROTJ "incarnations" of Lukes saber were there? I previously thought is was the Hero,V2, Shared Stunt....is this correct? I don't even know which scenes the shared stunt appeared in ROTJ...that too would be helpful :D

Barry, I'm a little confused after your post. It read as though the V2 and shared stunt were one and the same.

Steve
 
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I'm a little confused now as I'm not much of a ROTJ buff and haven't done much of any research on props & weapons from it. That being said could you just spoon feed me this once?

How many ROTJ "incarnations" of Lukes saber were there? I previously thought is was the Hero,V2, Shared Stunt....is this correct? I don't even know which scenes the shared stunt appeared in ROTJ...that too would be helpful :D

Barry, I'm a little confused after your post. It read as though the V2 and shared stunt were one and the same.

Steve
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Luke wears/handles what Chris christened the V2 for all of the studio interior scenes shot in England. This V2 is an Obi-Wan Kenobi STUNT LIGHTSABER from ANH. Luke also has it Yuma and up in Crescent City. It is worn as his "hero" costume piece throughout the movie.

When Luke fights with the saber and it has a blade on (this is where it starts to get complicated), he is in fact using a machined saber which over the years has become known as Luke's ROTJ hero saber. So the solid control box, long, copper necked "hero" saber is in fact the bladed stunt saber from ROTJ. I have pics that show it clear as day in Yuma on the skiff. They must have later used one of these for the close-up insert of Vader turning the saber in his hands beneath the Imperial Landing platform because the rear of it matches and it's nicer looking.

When Luke leaps and lands on the side of Jabba's sail barge and begins his climb up the side, he is wearing what Chris christened the Shared Stunt saber. I have a picture that clearly shows the garflex lever, no cone knob, and the holes in the graflex band which are unique to the Shared Stunt. It has the same emmiter faceplate and nipple on it at this point as the "V2" and also has a VERY different paint job to how it looks today in the archives and in photos that everyone has seen. At some point this saber was altered to look like the official Luke ROTJ "hero" saber complete with copper colored neck plus they ground off the surface face of the emmiter removing the detail and making it much thinner. The Shared Stunt is an old Obi-Wan ANH Stunt saber casting.

So in closing, what we previously called the Luke ROTJ "Hero" saber was in fact used as the stunt saber throughout the movie and used in one shot as the "hero". What we previously called the "V2" is in fact an old Obi-Wan Kenobi stunt lightsaber that became Luke's "hero" saber in Jedi. And what we called the "Shared Stunt" lightsaber is used in Jedi as a stand-in when Luke scrambles up the side of the sail barge.

After the fact the prettier, machined stunt passed into folklore as Luke's ROTJ hero piece.

I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.

Barry
 
Here's a list to make it a little easier.

V2 - left over ANH Kenobi stunt, slight mods to plug wire and button holes. ANH calc bubbles fell out replaced with circuit board like piece. Used during ESB practice. Seen the most in ROTJ.

Shared stunt - another left over ANH Kenobi stunt, modified post filming with bright copper paint.

Stunt - I believe new stunt sabers were made during filming (not before) so the ROTJ duel was likely done with old stunt sabers, possibly the shared stunt. New machined stunt sabers show up in Yuma. Solid aluminum control box attached with 2 screws.

Vader hands ROTJ Hero - For the insert shot of Vader holding saber. This is NOT the saber everyone replicates (SD, MR, etc). It appears to be a Stunt like mentioned above, but with details on the control box. Could be the same stunt mentioned above but modified or before parts came off (glued on to cover 2 screws).

Hero? - The ROTJ saber with LEDs and slide open control box with interior electronics (basis for SD and MR replicas, lots of castings of this original floating around). I have NO idea where this one was used. It's more detailed than the one in Vader's hands, but apparently is not in the movie. Maybe the saber used for the Luke constructing his lightsaber scene that was only partly shot.

Resin cast of "Hero?" - seen on exhibit many times. What was it used for? No idea.

R2 launching saber - flat top emitter, no nipple or hole. Sold in auction (last year?). IIRC multiples made.

Expanding saber - the supposed saber for the "Luke constructing his lightsaber" scene. Owned by Elstree. Apparently never delivered to set, probably never in LFL hands so not screen used and "made for production" status questionable.


That's a list off the top of my head. Might be missing some.
As for the V2 lever... I have no idea where it came from. They probably removed the one sidebar because the lever screwpost was too short. Lever is long, rounded rectangular in shape (similar to Graflex), end is bent. Pivot point is visible in Obi-Wan pic. I hope it's related to some other ANH prop part so we're able to figure out what the lever exactly looked like, but I haven't found anything yet.
 
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Are we SURE this isn't just a bent nail? The curvature towards the tip might suggest a nail which has had the pointed end battered with a hammer to dull the point.
 
Barry,Chris...thanks for the spoon feeding :$ I was getting the old "coined" terms mixed up with some of the new info.

I guess it's kind of like the Greedo Killer being (in my opinion) 'confused' with the Post production ANH DL44. Considering the cantina closeup has totally different scope rings and no muzzle is even presented or seen, I consider that the true Greedo Killer.......the post-production with the football rings and an M3 muzzle is simply a ..Post-production blaster to me.

With all the sharing going on during the Original Trilogy it gets a bit confusing naming our replicas and sticking to the said names with information evolving and new discoveries being made, but that's half the fun:D

Thanks again guys :thumbsup
 
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Are we SURE this isn't just a bent nail? The curvature towards the tip might suggest a nail which has had the pointed end battered with a hammer to dull the point.
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Yes. You're looking at a cell phone pic of a page in a book. The book photo should be clear enough to show the pivot point with hinge pin.
 
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Are we SURE this isn't just a bent nail? The curvature towards the tip might suggest a nail which has had the pointed end battered with a hammer to dull the point.
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Yes. You're looking at a cell phone pic of a page in a book. The book photo should be clear enough to show the pivot point with hinge pin.
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Does anyone have the resources to scan a good close-up of that photo showing the detail?
 
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Does anyone have the resources to scan a good close-up of that photo showing the detail?
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Not yet. The book's not out until next month.
 
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Are we SURE this isn't just a bent nail? The curvature towards the tip might suggest a nail which has had the pointed end battered with a hammer to dull the point.
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Yes. You're looking at a cell phone pic of a page in a book. The book photo should be clear enough to show the pivot point with hinge pin.
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Does anyone have the resources to scan a good close-up of that photo showing the detail?
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The image also appears in the photo gallery on the 2004 SW Trilogy DVD set's bonus disc. Perhaps someone could make a screencap.
 
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