Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

I don't mean this in an aggressive way, but I have to say I'm surprised at the number of opinions (here and elsewhere) I'm reading from people who didn't even watch the show or who gave up early on...

Hey, It's all I've heard about since the credits rolled last night

I watched season 1 and 2... gave up after 3 started with the whole Jack and Sawyer and Kate in a cage schtick...watched the finale... and I don't feel like I missed anything. Is that good enough to have my own opinion?

My wife and her friend watched it weekly, and discussed it constantly. And after their reactions to the finale, I'm glad I didn't invest any more time in it then I did. If I had been more invested in the show, I would have raged about the ending.

But hey, if you love complicated story arcs with mysteries that are shoved in your face every episode ending with no explanations, then I'm sure you'll enjoy the end of BSG
 
Jack wasnt the last to die he was just the last to let go and be able to deal with what had happened and be ready to move on to heaven or where ever they were all going.

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Maybe I'm more dense than most here, but I still can't grasp this concept. So if Kate, and presumably Hurley, Ben, and others died AFTER Jack, why were they waiting for him to move on? This seems to imply he was the last to die.

Time has no meaning the purgatory existence. Jack was the last to accept that he was dead. That is why they were waiting on him. The order in which they died doesn't matter.
 
Shouldn't Jack be the new "Smoke Monster" after being exposed to the light? We just learned a few episodes ago that when MIB was exposed, that is how he became the "Smoke Monster". So what happened there?
 
Maybe I'm more dense than most here, but I still can't grasp this concept. So if Kate, and presumably Hurley, Ben, and others died AFTER Jack, why were they waiting for him to move on? This seems to imply he was the last to die.

as someone who voluntarily missed big chunks, I think the implication was Kate, Hurley, Ben all lived long enough to resolve their issues while they were alive, and the construct was for those who hadn't... and Jack took the longest because he died with the most baggage... but that's my, I skipped 2.5 seasons answer....
 
Shouldn't Jack be the new "Smoke Monster" after being exposed to the light? We just learned a few episodes ago that when MIB was exposed, that is how he became the "Smoke Monster". So what happened there?

I thought the same thing - especially since his apparent body ended up out of the cave, spralled out almost identically to the MIB after he turned into the smoke monster.

Just read all of the post-show comments. Before I did I posted this on the TPZ:

"The writers did, in the end, break (or at least seemingly so) their own rules/promises as presented to the viewers.
It was made clear at the outset that everything that happened on the island would have a grounding in science as an explanation - yet we have the trapped, whispering, spirits on the island and the heart of the island being life/death light that allows it's protectors to be (virtually) immortal - these things are spiritual and never have a scientific explanation.
As for another stated premise of the show, an end run was made around it. The viewers were assured that the island, from the beginning, was not a sort of afterlife and that the people aboard flight 815 were not dead. Though this was technically true, that initial assurance created an implied (but not explicit) promise that Lost was not going to show us another reality where everyone was indeed dead and were in an afterlife (again, of sorts). The end run being that it was not the island but 'home'.
The series ending with Jack's eye closing (in death) on the very spot where he first awoke is, in hindsight, the only way the series could have ended.
I, too, am disappointed that the mystery of what the island is was never explained. Even in the last episode we were shown a newer mystery - a subterranean construct of clearly ancient origin that corks/channels an unknown energy force. Who built it, precisely why, how was the energy controlled/contained before the stone construct? (etc., etc., etc.)

Now, the one thing about the finale that really, truly sucked for me is that Jack does not have a son. Out of all of the core characters in the afterlife reality (before last night commonly known as Dimension X) Jack is the one who had a new addition to his family and was happy about it and seemed to deserve it. Why were we introduced to the kid, and led to begin to like/care about the character, if he were a fake construct that is abandoned in the last 30 minutes of the series?
The thought occurred to me that the kid might have been a manifestation of Jack's father, Christian, but that still seems pointless since the kid did nothing to help Jack 'move on'."
 
I, too, am disappointed that the mystery of what the island is was never explained. Even in the last episode we were shown a newer mystery - a subterranean construct of clearly ancient origin that corks/channels an unknown energy force. Who built it, precisely why, how was the energy controlled/contained before the stone construct? (etc., etc., etc.)


And there we have the opening that the producers need to make LOST: Origins, the motion picture.
 
In Back to the Future, we didn't need to know HOW the flux capacitor worked, but we did need to know WHY it was important.

In Lost, we needed to understand why Jacob was bringing people to the island, what his conflict with Smokey was and what the island was all about. This season did a good job of explaining those things. Jacob telling Richard what the island was (a cork to contain evil) was simple but effective.

Then we flash back to Jacob and MIB's origin and I'm confused again. MIB wasn't evil, he just wanted top see the world. His mom told him he couldn't for no reason.
He then finds out that his "mom" killed his real mother moments after they were born. Then she knocked his ass out for trying to leave, destroyed his well and killed all his friends, and still offered him no explanation. He can't leave because he can't leave.
Jacob doesn't have a problem with anything his not mom does because he's a spineless wuss and let's her get away with all of killing and lying she does.

Who's supposed to be the personfication of evil here?
 
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I thought the ending was great. Someone else used the term beautiful earlier and i said that myself last night.

-Miles, Richard, Daniel, etc, weren't there because they weren't part of the group. Miles is probably the only one who could fit the bill since he and sawyer were friends from season 5 and 6, but they all didn't really participate 'with the group' until season 5.

-Michael and Walt. Same thing. They were part of the group seasons 1 and 2 and at the end of 2, Walt sold the rest out to save his son and left. Sure, the island made him come back later to sort of redeem himself, but he never really hooked up with the group again. No real reason for attachment there.

-Rose and Bernard loved the group and more or less retired from their activites. Didn't mean they lost their connection.

Something I saw on the beginning of Kimmel last night was another genius bit of writing. In the S6e1, jack opens his eyes on the plane in the 'REALLY fast forward' and Rose tells him "It's OK, you can let go now" and everyone thought she was talking about his seat :) The line between Sawyer and Juliet - same thing. Another, Sun telling jack in the hospital 'But, you don't have a son.'

Another thing is, the 'construct verse' was more or less seen from Jack's eye's to a certain extent. And even if not, if they subcontiously set the place up so they could find each other and move forward as a group - they only way they'd ALL recognize each other at any point is if they looked as how they did on the island.

Why did Claire have baby Aaron? Because she gave birth in the construct-verse.

I think the rest of the answers, least the ones I can think of now, aren't really necessary. Would it be cool to know why all the egyptian stuff was on the island? Sure. Is it important? Not really. The oldest island member we can across was 23 AD born Jacob. The egyptian stuff would have been thousands of years before his time, too. It's not that we don't get the answer - none of them had the answer to give.
 
Yeah, I don't understand the posters who think that the finale told them the entire timeline on the Island did not happen in 'reality'. What about the finale makes you think this? It was clearly told to the viewers, what happened really happened. (And frankly, they didn't even need to say that!)

The montage of the plane crash set with no movement of any kind and no obvious bodies strewn about over the end credits made me have a twenty minute conversation about this with my sister this morning. But she hasn't been following it like I have.

While I do think there was a pretty obvious and clear ending to the show, I can see how the inattentive or casual viewer would think the characters been dead this whole time. Plane wreckage on a beach is kind of a final image.
 
It's messing with even stalwart fans of the show. A buddy of mine who said all through season one that they all died in the plane crash has been gloating about being right all along. I've had to explain to him a few times now that he isn't right, and he needs to watch the finale again.
 
In Back to the Future, we didn't need to how the flux capacitor worked, but we did need to know why it was important.

In Lost, we needed to understand why Jacob was bringing people to the island, what his conflict with Smokey was and what the island was all about. This season did a great of explaining those things. Jacob telling Richard what the island was was simple but effective.

Then we flash back to Jacob and MIB's origin and we're confused again. MIB wasn't evil, he just wanted top see the world. His mom told him he couldn't for no real reason.
He then finds out that his "mom" killed his real mother moments after they were born. Then she knocked his ass out for trying to leave, destroyed his well and killed all his friends, and still offered him no explanation. He can't leave because he can't leave.
Jacob doesn't have a problem with anything his not mom does because he's a spineless wuss.

Who's supposed to be the personfication of evil here?

No protector is flawless. They're human, just with certain ablities.

As ben told hurley in the end, Jacob set the rules on people not being able to leave and whatnot - hurley was free to make his own rules. Jacob did allow some people to leave (the 6, ben, walt, locke, some of the 'others') but you more or less had to have jacob's approval to leave. Well, Jacob and the MiB never got not-mom's permission to leave so they couldn't. Probably much in the same way that Desmond tried to sail his boat away, but couldn't. He didn't have permission, or the secret heading, in order to leave.

The 'light' that the protector protects, gives the protector their abilities. In the end, the MiB was trying to kill off the protector and anyone who could become the protector. No protector, no rules, he can leave - it was likely believed he'd kill everyone in he encoutered, but as smokey, he couldn't leave period because of his mother's rules. His end game - as we saw - was to turn off the light to leave. The unexpected was that it de-smokied him and made him human/mortal again. Thus kate being able to kill him and jack dying because the light was squelched.

That's a bit more, granted - but ultimately he was trapped because of the rules set by the protectors not-mom and jacob.
 
Now a few questions:

** Do you think Jacob was the one not allowing babies to be born on the island? Maybe he didn't like what happened to him and Smokey, so he prevented it while he was in power? I'd bet that Hurley would run things differently as Ben alluded to.

Well, Ethan was born on the Island in 1974 and Aaron in 2004, both years in which Jacob was fully hand-on-the-tiller. I always assumed that in the middle there the out-of-phase properties of the Island (remember the bit when Faraday shows up in Season Four and says, "Light scatters differently here" and his experiment with the rocket and the dead freighter doctor washing up on shore before he had been killed) just made the linear, chronologic development of fetuses impossible. I would imagine it's hard to hang on to the uterine wall when you're going from 18 weeks to 24 weeks back to 12 and then up to 36 all in the span of long burp from a heavy Greek meal. That would explain why the mothers didn't survive, either. That's got to be a rough ride.
 
That's a bit more, granted - but ultimately he was trapped because of the rules set by the protectors not-mom and jacob.
Yeah, I got that part. My question was WHY did Not-Mom and Jacob enforce the rule?
Up to the origin story episode, I understood the answer: MIB was the personification of evil, he had to be imprisoned here or all hell would break lose.

But then we found out that he was a regular guy who just wanted to leave and see the world, but Not-Mom said no and her explanation was "because." Since the protector needed to keep people away from the light, allowing him to get as far away from it as possible would be a great idea.
 
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