Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

[Guri]

I would rather Kate had died of the gunshot wound. She was utterly worthless in the finale.

Totally disagree. Maybe it wasn't necessary for Kate to shoot Flocke, and would have been more poetic had Ben done it, two of the most moving shots were of Kate and Claire on the plane going home and then the second Aaron birth. I felt she had really found her purpose and succeeded in the one thing she set out to do - not something many of them can say.

Also, it is so rare that a deep, compassionate relationship between women is portrayed on television.

 

[Darth Detori]

I think the afterlife ending was so satisfying on a character level because it requires no "well what happened after they got off the island/what happened with Ben and Hurley?" questions. You know they lived their lives and that they died, the what and the how don't matter.

MIB probably should have been treated as a more sympathetic character, however his solution to his problems was to kill. He basically became Sayid without redemption. All he wanted to do was to leave, however he had become evil in this quest. I don't think anything would have happened had he left before he died and became smoke. Him getting off the island would be unleashing an unstoppable evil on the world. I don't think they really led us to believe that we would just see him finishing a drink and walking away into the distance like Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs. He would destroy the world as we know it. His simple act of leaving would mean that one who was dead was now tangibly walking amongst the living, which again would unhinge the balance of life and death. And what is life and death? The light, the thing that needed to be protected.

 

[GroundskeeperWillie]

Totally disagree. Maybe it wasn't necessary for Kate to shoot Flocke, and would have been more poetic had Ben done it, two of the most moving shots were of Kate and Claire on the plane going home and then the second Aaron birth. I felt she had really found her purpose and succeeded in the one thing she set out to do - not something many of them can say.

Also, it is so rare that a deep, compassionate relationship between women is portrayed on television.

The second Aaron birth happened in the sideways world, in which we've already determined she had to be present. Kate and Claire on the flight going home...the value of that moment is open to personal taste. I didn't really want anyone to make it off the island, personally. To me, the survival of anyone on the island in the endgame was completely irrelevant--as long as they accomplished what they set out to do, what future they might have off the island is trivial.

 

[Darth Detori]

I agree completely with this article

 

[Larry Young]

But Ben's not Jacob...I'm just saying that there's nothing to indicate that ANYTHING happened on the island that Jacob didn't anticipate, and possibly even manipulate into happening.

That's why I brought up about the point about "the rules." Of course Ben's not Jacob, but Ben was getting his info from him through Richard, so whatever these writer-convenient "rules" were, they seemed to suggest that Alex was safe. Then Widmore's mercenary kills her... what's to indicate Jacob anticipated, manipulated that? Especially since they've shown Jacob was mostly an observer. Hovering around the Roman village, sitting inside a broken foot weaving, A magical lighthouse that lets him spy on people. Jacob just didn't get into it.

I dunno, man; I think Jacob was a four year old with a loaded gun. A lot of power, and no sophistication to apply it where necessary.

 

[Kevin/Collector]

I agree completely with this article

I was just about to post that link.
Excellent write up.

 

[CaptainEO]

What's funny is that I made almost the same transformation watching the show as Jack did over the course of the show.

I started watching it from a pure scientific mind. Asking questions, wondering what was going on, trying to understand how it all works, etc... Then, slowly, I started to realize that none of that really mattered and wasn't what the show was about. It was all about the connections being made between people. Learning about and caring about them. The island was just a means to an end, a way of presenting these people to us, and a way for them to grow into better people and we as an audience to watch and grow to love them as well.

Finally in the last episode, it clicked for me. I suddenly didn't care about all the questions they didn't answer, all I cared about was the people, since that was what the show was about since the beginning. Faith (and love) wins over science.

 

[letmebestormy]

I dunno, man; I think Jacob was a four year old with a loaded gun. A lot of power, and no sophistication to apply it where necessary.

Agreed . To me, that was the point of "Across The Sea".

Smokey was nothing more than a hybrid of Island Mojo and a homesick boy who's mommy did a number on him.

Jacob was a protector who learned it all from a distant mother who manipulated all his actions and never explained why.

Neither one of them were omnipotent or controlling everything. In the grand scheme of the island, their tenure might even be a blip. But all the mommy and daddy issues, faith vs. science, free will vs. predetermination - all this stuff that they had to deal with - they passed along to their players, or at least those issues resonated with them.

But they were just guys. the 'just chalk in a cave' line went a long way to establishing that.

 

[letmebestormy]

What's funny is that I made almost the same transformation watching the show as Jack did over the course of the show.

I started watching it from a pure scientific mind. Asking questions, wondering what was going on, trying to understand how it all works, etc... Then, slowly, I started to realize that none of that really mattered and wasn't what the show was about. It was all about the connections being made between people. Learning about and caring about them. The island was just a means to an end, a way of presenting these people to us, and a way for them to grow into better people and we as an audience to watch and grow to love them as well.

Finally in the last episode, it clicked for me. I suddenly didn't care about all the questions they didn't answer, all I cared about was the people, since that was what the show was about since the beginning. Faith (and love) wins over science.

ding ding ding!!!!
:thumbsup

 

[Guri]

I agree completely with this article

(Question: If exposure to the radiation in the well turned the Man in Black into the smoke monster, why didn't it do the same to Jack?)

I think it was the same reason Desmond became immune to it's effects - the initial exposure was done in an act of self-sacrifice for others.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Alright, mixed feelings here.

Nice ending, but I do not like that Jack, heavily wounded, dies alone, in pain, only accompanied by a dog. Showing him in his presumably last moments (I REALLY expected his pupils suddenly going wide, view breaking, in that last shot!), happy or not, grounded it wayyy too much, making it for me painful to watch. It was quite the sad view, to see Jack lie there, the only reward for him being the experience of that sideways-life in his last moments of life, on his way "into the light". The "into the light"-image in the church also was a bit much for my tastes.

I would have really preferred that he´d end just like Hugo thought, that Jack disappeared when the source started working again, i.e. a bit more poetic, less "spoon feeding" the audience. I mean, all six seasons were about mystery, and in the last 15 minutes they have to paint a huge sign "this is the limbo before afterlife, please board and we will lift off into paradise/next level of existence in a moment"? C´mon...

Ah, but that may be just soft old me

 

[cboath]

As for Jacob being able to leave the island...

It was never said that Jacob's presence on the island kept smokie there. If the protector makes the rules (as was indicated in the end) - Jacob set a rule that smokie couldn't leave. Under those guises, smokie couldn't leave while Jacob was still the protector. The next bit is that the rule must remain in place until the protector (jacob or the next one in line) retracts the rule.

If smokie were to leave with his smokie abilities, well, the rest of the world would be in deep trouble.

Therefore jacob could have been leaving the sweet life in the sunny san fernando valley and smokie would have been stuck on the island and unable to kill jacob. Problem is, jacob's risk of death via someone else is 1000's of times greater off the island, plus he can't protect it from afar. Still, for a guy who grants richard immortality, i'm not phased at all he can pop off the island at will.

It is pretty cool that while everyone wanted the scientific answers in the beginning that so many now accept the faith aspect of it and are fine (i'm one).

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

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If smokie were to leave with his smokie abilities, well, the rest of the world would be in deep trouble.

Has that ever been said so clearly? I had the impression that Smokey only wanted to leave the island because he felt he did not belong there. I probably missed something, but I can´t say that except for the fighting between Jacob and Smokey there was nothing violent in Smokey. He was the explorer, who wanted to know more and more. A bit like Prometheus.
But outright malevolent? Hm...

It is pretty cool that while everyone wanted the scientific answers in the beginning that so many now accept the faith aspect of it and are fine (i'm one).

 

[Kerr Avon]

For everyone still complaining that not enough questions were answered about things like the plug in the island and what the light is, what allows the island to time travel, why certain things worked on the island they way they did, and all that stuff, then I have one thing I want to remind you of.

In Star Wars Ep 4-6 we got to see The Force and marvel at it's power and mysticism.

In Star Wars Ep 1 we learn it's ****ing bacteria.

Deal with it people.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Nice ending, but I do not like that Jack, heavily wounded, dies alone, in pain, only accompanied by a dog. Showing him in his presumably last moments (I REALLY expected his pupils suddenly going wide, view breaking, in that last shot!), happy or not, grounded it wayyy too much, making it for me painful to watch. It was quite the sad view, to see Jack lie there, the only reward for him being the experience of that sideways-life in his last moments of life, on his way "into the light". The "into the light"-image in the church also was a bit much for my tastes.

Well, it ended as it started. Jack laying in the exact same area on his back, focused on his eye, as a dog finds him among the bamboo. Only instead of his eye opening, it closes. Symmetry.

 

[Goodwolf]

I think the only thing I would like more information on was the cabin. What was it, who was in it, how it played into the larger picture, etc.

 

[franz bolo]

For everyone still complaining that not enough questions were answered about things like the plug in the island and what the light is,

I think the light is the same light that they enter into in the last scene. It's Heaven or the place people move on to.

The plug is sealing off Hell. The Island is where Heaven and Hell meet. Jacob's Brother sins and kills his fake mother. When he is sent down the hole, his sins manifest and turn him into smokey.

Anyway, I thought it was a good ending. Great show but a bit drawn out.

FB

 

[Larry Young]

I think the only thing I would like more information on was the cabin. What was it, who was in it, how it played into the larger picture, etc.

About the only thing I wish they would have addressed is the eye color thing. That drove me nuts for six years. I mean, I have a theory, but I would have liked to have seen somebody mention it.

 

[Goodwolf]

I seem to remember reading a couple weeks ago that the questions that weren't answered in the finale would possibly be answered somewhere down the road, so perhaps we'll have some answers yet.

Also, something occurred to me last night... Ben didn't "move on" with them, preferring to stay. If we assume the construct to be analogous to Purgatory, that makes sense. Purgatory comes from the same root word as purge, so it was a place to purge your sins and make you ready for Heaven. I don't know if Alex and Danielle were actually there or not, or if they were merely representations of the sins that Ben still had to atone for, since he was responsible for both of their deaths, but it's clear that they still weighed heavily on his... conscience, soul, however you want to think of it, and held him back.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

I think I now know what I did not like about that last shot.

The connection that I am making is that possibly Jack is the only one who experiences the "Sideways universe" in his last moments. That thought really brings me down.

I should really rewatch the finale, I guess...