Lost season 6 with spoilers beware
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Kerr Avon
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Split timeline is my guess. A common theory of changing history is that it splits off into two realities. One where things happened as they had originally, the other where a new reality starts off where the change occurs and goes in a different direction. Not sure how they're going to reconcile it all though.
Knightsaber
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And it seems there is some bridge between the two timelines. Oceanic "lost" Christian's body and Locke's knives. I'm betting both are on the island.
BIKERFETT
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The first thing I thought of when they showed the island under water was Atlantis, but I dont know if that has been dissproven. Right now it seems like split time, Mayan type temple, Spring of everlasting life, Atlantis, The wheel of time, plain good versus evil. I know that they said the statue was the fertility god so that would explain why women stopped being able to give birth on the island once it got blown up.
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clonesix
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My DVR lost the signal and I missed part of the beginning. I will have to watch it over at someone else'a place, or see if they run it again next week.
I am glad that we all now know that Smokey is a shape shifting bad guy.
The split timeline is also confusing. OK, the plane lands in LA in Sept 04, but where are our Losties? In 2007? in 2010? Ben Kills Jacob in 2007, so did everyone return to 2007?
Juliet's message: "It worked" How would she know? What worked?
Richard was in chains? Did he arrive on the Black Rock? Was he a slave, or a slaver?
Who did we not see? Ecko, Shannon, Anna Lucia, Libby,
I am glad that we all now know that Smokey is a shape shifting bad guy.
The split timeline is also confusing. OK, the plane lands in LA in Sept 04, but where are our Losties? In 2007? in 2010? Ben Kills Jacob in 2007, so did everyone return to 2007?
Juliet's message: "It worked" How would she know? What worked?
Richard was in chains? Did he arrive on the Black Rock? Was he a slave, or a slaver?
Who did we not see? Ecko, Shannon, Anna Lucia, Libby,
Egon Spengler
Master Member
Juilets message "It worked" means that what they went to the hatch construction site to do with the bomb did work, just not like they thought it did. How did she know? I'm guessing since she was on the edge of death she could "see" her alternate Juilet's life going on, which is why she mentions out of no where "We should go for coffee sometime, we'll go dutch."
Thats what I think.
Thats what I think.
Stinky Dragon
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I agree that there might be a bridge between the two timelines. Did you notice how after Jack saves Charlie on the plane, Desmond is no longer there? Maybe by saving airplane-Charlie, that means that island-Charlie never died to warn Desmond about the boat, and by some course of events Desmond ended up dying instead.
Why was Claire not traveling with Boone, and yet she was there at the airport when they landed?
The nuke somehow submerged the island (that didn't happen to Bikini, although those test were not H-bombs), but the houses, and even the playset, were unharmed by the blast?
The nuke somehow submerged the island (that didn't happen to Bikini, although those test were not H-bombs), but the houses, and even the playset, were unharmed by the blast?
If the island was submerged, then he couldn't have gotten stranded there, so he presumably finished the race. Why he would coincidentally end up on the same flight from Australia, is a bit of a stretch, though.
I know..."fate". Also known as "writing copout".
No fate involved. These people have been inextricably linked at numerous points in their lives. There is no coincidence here.
I like the linked alternate timelines theory presented above.
My question involves the castaways at the Swan station. Note that only those who timetraveled prior, came through to 2007. No Dr. Chang, No Dr. Radzinski. Since it's a network show, not cable, their clothes came too. But, and there's a big but, how did Hugo's Dharma van come through? It had not come back through time. If it had sat in the jungle while they passed through 30 years, it couldn't have been shiny and run like a top, the battery would have drained like Ben's van that he left his father's corpse in. Clearly it came shiny new through time with them. Whoops?!?
I like the linked alternate timelines theory presented above.
My question involves the castaways at the Swan station. Note that only those who timetraveled prior, came through to 2007. No Dr. Chang, No Dr. Radzinski. Since it's a network show, not cable, their clothes came too. But, and there's a big but, how did Hugo's Dharma van come through? It had not come back through time. If it had sat in the jungle while they passed through 30 years, it couldn't have been shiny and run like a top, the battery would have drained like Ben's van that he left his father's corpse in. Clearly it came shiny new through time with them. Whoops?!?
In regards to the question of why the huts and other parts of the island could have survived the nuke, even if the island (perhaps it was a floating island as it clearly changes physical location) sank.
The bomb detonated was only the first stage core of the bomb, not a full multi-stage weapon. I think that in one of the lines they said it was only equal to a few kilotons of TNT, and also, it was detonated deep underground, not at the surface, like some of America's domestic nuke test fires.
The bomb detonated was only the first stage core of the bomb, not a full multi-stage weapon. I think that in one of the lines they said it was only equal to a few kilotons of TNT, and also, it was detonated deep underground, not at the surface, like some of America's domestic nuke test fires.
Larry Young
Master Member
They've established clothes and items and gear and whatnot they're touching travels with them. The most awesome example of this was Sawyer holding on to the rope that held Locke in the well that leads straight into the ground after a flash and their appearance in a time before the well was dug. I loved that one. "Um... you can let go know."
So for folks to be in the van, sitting in the seats, it doesn't seem unlikely it'd be considered gear that got to flash with them.
Actually, that reminds me of some resonance with the line Rose said to Jack last night.
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Larry Young
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Charlie and Boone are still alive; even if Charlie said "I was supposed to have died." to Jack. That and Jack's deja vu with Des makes me think at least some characters are going to end up aware of the two sets of reality. Honestly, that's what I think the whispers are; them observing themselves at different times, because it seems clear the On-Island crew are in 2007 and the Changed Timeline guys are in 2004. Having lived through it once already, maybe something in the Temple allows them view or be present in some wispy form with past events.
But either way, yeah, the writers weren't "making this up as they went along." I think it's Sawyer and Kate as the skeletons in the cave, having sacrificed themselves for their friends..
But either way, yeah, the writers weren't "making this up as they went along." I think it's Sawyer and Kate as the skeletons in the cave, having sacrificed themselves for their friends..
cboath
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If the island was submerged, then he couldn't have gotten stranded there, so he presumably finished the race. Why he would coincidentally end up on the same flight from Australia, is a bit of a stretch, though.
I know..."fate". Also known as "writing copout".
That's just touching on it. If they actually changed history - in 1977, that's a lot of people who couldn't come to or discover the island in the preceeding 27 years. That's a lot of things you can change. Especially if you look at it like dominoes - you know one down, and it affects the next one and so on. That's 27 years of dominoes falling before the losties return to the plane.
Case in point, Juliet wouldn't even have been contacted by dharma/the others/whoever. She was contacted because people on the island couldn't have kids. Well, dead submerged island, no one living there to no be able to have kids, so no need for juliet. Desmond wouldn't have crashed landed there, he'd have sailed right past/over it. Ben wouldn't have become the evil leader, plus Dr Candle would've been killed along with everyone else on the island. None of them would ever have had kids, etc. A LOT could/should change becuase of it.
Westies14
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We didn't see whether Claire was on the flight or not - I presume she was. The girl who "wasn't with Boone" would have been his sister, Shannon.
The two writers were on Jimmy Kimmel last night after the premiere and he played a game with them called coincidence or not. They stated that it was totally coincidence that Desmond disappeared right after Charlie was saved.
What wasn't coincidence?
The title of LA X not LAX
Shannon wasn't on the plane. (In reality actress wasn't available)
Michael and Walt weren't on the plane.
In the Pilot episode during the turbulence Rose was afraid and Jack was calm, now Jack was afraid and Rose was calm.
In the Pilot the flight attendant gave Jack two extra bottles of alcohol, last night she only gave him one. Also Jack spills the vodka when pouring it.
EDIT: found the video here
http://www.hulu.com/watch/125542/jimmy-kimmel-live-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cusepart-1
Starts about 2 minutes in.
My theory? I think they've created an alternate reality/parallel timeline. It's like this short story I read where these time travelers go back in time to see the dinosaurs, one of them accidentally steps on a butterfly at some point. When they travel back to their normal time the entire world is changed. I think we're going to see that our 815 survivors were in fact SUPPOSED to crash on that island. It saves all of them from death or misery.
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