Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

[dualedge]

For those that say..."But it was only the flash sideways in this season that were purgatory/construct/or whatever it is"...I have just one question that I would love someone to explain to me.

If everything in seasons 1-5 actually happened...The Island was real, the crash was real, they all came back, etc.etc.etc...Why was Aaron shown as a newborn baby in the church, when we've already seen him much older in the previous seasons?

The way I interpret this is that the side-verse/construct is a place where all of the 'souls' of the main players in the story can eventually come together in a manner that sort of parallels their experiences on the island. That's why you see Aaron as a baby instead of as older. For their "island years" spent together, Aaron's significance to them was more as that of a baby.

Similarly, if Sawyer happened to live to be 82 in the "real world", he shows up in the construct as the age he was during the "island years" and not his real age when he actually died.

On a side note, in regards to the "over the rainbow" comment and with due respect to Jet who knows a lot more about writing than I ever will, yeah, it can be cliched but like the old quote says, there's "nothing new under the sun." Everything has been done before in one form or another... you just gotta cobble the parts together as best you can.

And ultimately, this may also be a very cliched thing to say, but I think most people will look back on Lost as being about the drama and not so much about the mystery.

It seems to me as a non-fan (it's okay but I'd rather watch Supernatural myself) is that what folks love most about it is the drama and the way the characters interact under extraordinary circumstances. Whether those extraordinary circumstances are explained perfectly or not (and I'd like to have seen several things done differently) will probably be far less relevant in the long run for the fans...

Just my $.02...

 

[Goosebot 5000]

If the "waiting room" was a place for all the Losties to reunite once they all passed away, why was Penny there? She didn't spend one day on the island.

Did she? I can't remember since this has all been going on for so long.

I get the whole "non-linear" thing, but the ending still left me a bit "meh".

christian said that there was no "now" where they were. so there could have been hundreds of years that passed in between what we saw happen on the island, and what we were seeing in the flash sideways.

 

[clonesix]

What about Lapidas, Miles, Richard?

Widmore said that the plane was rigged with explosives the moment he got to the island. Wouldn't the plane blow up? Is their "take off" part of the sideways universe? Are they now the Flying Dutchman?

What about Rose and Bernard? They are living on the island, and yet, they are in the church?

Where was Ana Lucia a the church? Libby was there.


I waited 6 years for two hours of "Yeah, sure."

 

[Westies14]

All Sycor was saying people "didn't get" was that they were alive on the island and for the past six seasons. The dead time is just this season's flash sideways story.
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And I kepp saying..."I get that". we all get it. But that just confuses the plot line even more. If they were dead....AND THEY WERE NOT ( I GET THAT).... then we could buy the strange events on the island. But they were alive and the events suddenly make no sense.

But Sycor was saying that in response to people posting above him who clearly did not get that... You're upset about other issues. He's not talking about you.

Would those of you who were unhappy with the ending (or at least the last half hour, like me) have been happy if the alt timeline had been a real alternative universe for our Losties to populate as they were awakened, thus being rescued from the island with their lessons learned? I would have loved that, despite the abundance of loose threads dangling back in the island story.

 

[Moviefreak]

What about Lapidas, Miles, Richard?

Widmore said that th eplane wa srigged with explosives the moment he got to the island. Wouldn't the plane blow up? Is their "take off" part of the sideways universe? Are they now the Flying Dutchman?

What about Rose and Bernard? They are living on the island, and yet, they are in the church?

Where was Ana Lucia a the church? Libby was there.


I waited 6 years for two hours of "Yeah, sure."

They will always have an answer for you about how it all worked out because of the ending. My advice... don't ask questions. Just lower head and walk away, lol. I am done trying..... it is not worth it, lol.

 

[Westies14]

What about Lapidas, Miles, Richard?

Widmore said that th eplane wa srigged with explosives the moment he got to the island. Wouldn't the plane blow up? Is their "take off" part of the sideways universe? Are they now the Flying Dutchman?

What about Rose and Bernard? They are living on the island, and yet, they are in the church?

Where was Ana Lucia a the church? Libby was there.


I waited 6 years for two hours of "Yeah, sure."

The group is what the group is. They felt they were important to each other and chose to go on together. Ana Lucia must have felt a stronger connection to others in her life; same for Lapidus and Miles.

As for the plane being rigged with explosives, Smokey took those and put 'em in Jack's backpack. That's how the sub blew up.

 

[WebChief]

For the moment, ignore ALL FLASH SIDEWAYS from this last season. Pretend it didn't happen.

Everything else that happened was real events that continued to happen after the bomb was detonated at the end of season 5.

At the end of season 6, Hurley is the island guardian, and Ben is his second. Jack dies, the people on the plane flies off and presumably makes it back to civilization.

At some point, ALL of the characters have died. For everyone but Hurley and Ben, say 50 years later. For Hurley and Ben, we have no idea how long they might have lived afterwards. But, they all eventually die.

Now.. back to the Flash Sideways. Those events are a spiritual construct the souls of the people in the series made so they could be together again after everyone has eventually died for whatever reasons they die. They come together due to the deep bond forged by the events when they met on the island, etc. In death, they come together and take one last journey together beyond whatever is after death.\

Get it?

Exactly the ending I cobble together from watching the show and one I find completely satisfying. I don't need to be spoon fed all the answers, nor are they really as important to the story as the characters and investing time in caring about them. Seeing them come to their end and be happy with it was absolutely perfect.

I can't recall a TV show that's touched me so much as this one. I can't believe how many times I found myself actually tearing up over it. Talk about a wuss! :lol That just shows how great the writing was though IMO, it pulled me so deeply into the story that it made me actually care about these people.

Just awesome.

 

[maboot38]

What about Lapidas, Miles, Richard?

Widmore said that the plane was rigged with explosives the moment he got to the island. Wouldn't the plane blow up? Is their "take off" part of the sideways universe? Are they now the Flying Dutchman?

What about Rose and Bernard? They are living on the island, and yet, they are in the church?

Where was Ana Lucia a the church? Libby was there.


I waited 6 years for two hours of "Yeah, sure."

Lapidas Miles and Richard didn't need to be part of that group to move on. They'll probably have their own move on ceremony at some other point.

Rose and Bernard question...you're thinking linearly. The "flash-sideways" has no time. Therefore, Rose and Bernard got there after they died, period.

As for Ana Lucia and Libby, my theory is that there would be another "tail section" move on ceremony with Mr. Eko and others.

 

[WebChief]

People who weren't there moved on when they were ready with those that meant the most to them in life or who they had the greatest connections with. Some weren't ready yet (Ben) and some may have already gone before (Michael or even Libby).

Why should every character that's ever died in the series be there? They all didn't feel the strong connections to one another that some of these characters did.

 

[kibosh]

What about Rose and Bernard? They are living on the island, and yet, they are in the church?

My take on it was the church was kind of like the Titanic at the end of ... well ... the Titanic. Everyone that shared the experience of going down with the ship/plane would be reunited in the afterlife as they died in their real life. Why it was a church and not the island or a plane I don't know.

It also doesn't explain why others weren't there (Faradaday, Anna Lucia, Ecko, etc.), but my thought is maybe they haven't died yet. Or they still have issues/problems/sins to atone for/resolve/etc.

I liked the ending, but guessed it years ago. I'm happy to have been on the right track!

 

[maboot38]

It also doesn't explain why others weren't there (Faradaday, Anna Lucia, Ecko, etc.), but my thought is maybe they haven't died yet. Or they still have issues/problems/sins to atone for/resolve/etc.

"haven't died yet" isn't possible. There is no YET. YET suggests that there is time where they were, and there is no time there.

 

[WebChief]

This has already been explained. People like Rose and Bernard were there because they EVENTUALLY DIED and they obviously felt the closest with the Losties so they waited for them before crossing over. Like Christian said, some died before Jack... some died WAY after him. Time in the after life doesn't exist.

Ecko, Faraday etc... weren't there because they either already passed, weren't ready to pass. They may not have felt as closely tied to the Losties to care about waiting for them.

Even the name of the show... LOST can be seen as referring to the concept of their souls... their souls were lost until each could wake each other up and crossing over together.

 

[MaulWalker]

I noted that Michael wasn't in the church, too. On Kimmel, Harold Perrineau said that Michael is still stuck on the Island as one of the whisperers due to the bad things he had done. I was satisfied with that explanation.

 

[nickytea]

This has officially got to be one of the most rampantly misunderstood endings of all time. (And it will continue for weeks ... months. ) I don't think I'd have it any other way.

For all of the cries of the show "choosing" faith "over" science ... I'm flabbergasted. The final shots took place completely in the linear reality of the show, the "awakenings" having few literal ramifications on that reality. (Beyond Desmond's own quasi-shaman insight.) If we're using those terms, it's faith AND science. (Empiricism, whatever you want to call it.) They need each other.

What we've been calling the "side flashes" have been a visual metaphor for the issues and resolutions of the characters. I guess it really is unsurprising that their value is being dismissed when revealed that these "events" don't have a literal bearing.

Think of so many rash atheistic reactions to religious texts. "None of this could possibly be TRUE." As if there's no metaphorical value to the stories and myths contained.

Sure, they gave some semblance of an in-universe explanation for their existence ("Construct") but their value lies in their reflection and juxtaposition with the main narrative in a metaphorical sense.

It really provided a sense of closure that was more complex and beautiful than I could have ever hoped for.

 

[ghostryder]

I'm pretty sure Libby was seated next to Hurley in the church at the end. It was a VERY quick shot, but it looked like her.

 

[sycor]

Anna Lucia was seen a couple episodes ago and Desmond states she isn't ready yet. So I assume that others that were not in the church were in the same position. The writers used her to explains others instead of wasting time showing everyone.

There were no dinosaurs. The smoke monster was making the noises and tears up the trees. The polar bear was part of Dharma (hence the cage that Sawyer was in that he got the fish treats from).

Penny was there because of Desmond. She was an integral part of the story and was his anchor when bouncing through time. Of course she would be there.

 

[WebChief]

I'm pretty sure Libby was seated next to Hurley in the church at the end. It was a VERY quick shot, but it looked like her.

Come to think of it, you might be right.

 

[nickytea]

Anyone think that Sawyer unplugging the machine to get the candy to drop mirrors what had to happen at the source of the island? Or just coincidence?

 

[knightdriver2001]

WOW.

This thread gets the "Fast moving thread ever" award. I have only been offline about an hour, and it is many pages further into where I left off last.

whew.............. lots of reading. I am taking all this in and will re-watch the finale again as this all gave me more perspective on what they were trying to tell.

 

[sycor]

Anyone think that Sawyer unplugging the machine to get the candy to drop mirrors what had to happen at the source of the island? Or just coincidence?

No that scene mirrors when Juliet said "it worked" as she died in Sawyer's arms on the island. It was bleed through from purgatory and she was talking to purgatory Sawyer.