Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

I'm surprised to see people (not necessarily here) still referring to the season six 'flash' as a 'flash sideways' or an 'alternate universe'. It is so clearly explained that it is not these things. I've been trying to come up with nomenclature that satisfies me. so far the best thing I got is:

Planar Flash

tells you what it is, tells you what it is not, and leaves the spiritual/religious detail to be filled in by the viewer if they want.
 
Nice. I could take some cheap shots at you're chosen beliefs or lack thereof, but instead I'll respect your right to them and not insult you. Maybe you could extend me and otehr RPF members the same next time?

Scott

I think he just meant from a storytelling perspective, not in life. Which is not to say I agree with him, for me this show was all about faith.

I loved this finalé, though I was a little disappointed from the point Christian showed up to the end. I thought that we were getting a bit of "It's a Wonderful Life," with all of our characters getting a second chance at life but with all the lessons learned from their other lives. I had been focusing so much on them getting from "fake universe" back to "real universe," it hadn't occurred to me until this episode that having them remember the island and their other lives was even better - it was an incredibly elegant form of "rescue" from the island that didn't involve transportation or erasing the past. I also liked that idea in that it was more relevant to the island and the events of the series than what we got in the end. That their actions with the bomb could create this alternate timeline, an alternate shell for them to populate where things were better, where they could live out their lives having overcome their inherent flaws and pain, where Sayid could go back and be with Nadia, where Charlie and Claire could raise Aaron and Sun and Jin could raise their daughter, where Jack could be a better father than he had growing up. To have it all be a "construct" robs the events in that world of some of their weight - the babies being born weren't real births, Jack's son wasn't real, etc. And in the end, it's just not as relevant to the show's events or the island. It's just "this is what happens when you die - you find your loved ones and move on with them."

Was Aaron in the church with them? I don't remember. If so, is he part of the construct, or was this group the most important for Aaron as well (and he exists in this plane as a baby)? He never forged his own meaningful adult relationships?

As for who was there and who was not, it was just the souls that chose to be together as a group. Ben is dead there, but is not part of that group. Vincent, Dan, Charlotte, Miles, Lapidus, Michael, Walt, etc, they presumably had found more important "family" in their lives. For this group, this was it. They were all lost, they were all alone, and in their lives this was the group that became their family. It is interesting for me to think about how long each lived. Kate "missed Jack so much." Ben and Hurley could have played Jacob and Alpert's roles for hundreds or thousands of years. Those things are interesting, but not as satisfying for me as having them simply live on in the flash sideways, knowing what they'd been through.

All in all, I'm very satisfied. I cried a bunch of times, including right at the beginning with all the cuts between the two storylines set to music. What an accomplishment this show represents, flaws and all...
 
But i'm still pretty upset. I'm an atheist. So obviously, I was rooting for science. Since, you know.. faith is the easiest, most unintelligent, and uncomplicated thing you could possibly do, and also the simplest solution to wrapping up a complex story you claimed you were writing for adults...
Wow...I did not watch the show, but this is a pretty lame comment to make about faith. Faith is a pretty complex thing. You have to believe in something intangible. Something that science has yet to prove. I am not just talking faith in a higher power, I am talking faith period.

Atheist or not, you have faith. If you are married, you have faith your spouse will be truthful and loyal. You have faith that you will be employed when you walk into your office. I could go on, but we take leaps of faith every single day. Even science has some faith about it. As much as I enjoy science and how we are growing to understand the universe, there is still soooo much that science cannot explain.
 
I loved this finalé, though I was a little disappointed from the point Christian showed up to the end. I thought that we were getting a bit of "It's a Wonderful Life," with all of our characters getting a second chance at life but with all the lessons learned from their other lives.

I thought that was odd too because he was never really on the island when he was alive, so his only real connection was to Jack. However, I'm excusing it because maybe, since Jack was the first replacement candidate and he had, like Desmond, sacrificed himself for the island, and lived through the 'light' (though he died of the magic knife stab wound), he was given the extra help he needed to let go.

All of the candidates and guests remembered who they were and were able to want to let go when they were exposed to the deepest love they had ever encountered in their lives. For all of his issues, Jack was a daddy's boy and he could never feel satisfied moving on until he resolved that one, most bitter/painful relationship. And maybe that's why he had a son in his construct - to help with the healing process. So Jack NEEDED to see his dad to let go.

For that matter, maybe the reason Ben can't let go is because he's still got to resolve some issues and needs to do that with universe X Alex and Russeu? John's forgiveness helped, but it wasn't enough.

That's just the way I'm looking at it - not sure the writers had that in mind.


It is interesting for me to think about how long each lived. Kate "missed Jack so much." Ben and Hurley could have played Jacob and Alpert's roles for hundreds or thousands of years. Those things are interesting, but not as satisfying for me as having them simply live on in the flash sideways, knowing what they'd been through.

That's very interesting for me to think about too, but the biggest question about the relationships is: Did Hurley and Ben manage to get Desmond off the island and send him back to Penny in the REAL timeline, or was he stuck with them on the island?
 
That's very interesting for me to think about to, but the biggest question about the relationships is: Did Hurley and Ben manage to get Desmond off the island and send him back to Penny in the REAL timeline, or was he stuck with them on the island?

I'm pretty sure that it was meant to be taken as he was able to leave. Ben mentioned that it was Jacob's rule that they could never leave, Hurley could run things differently.
 
Guri, I'd say that Christian in that scene is part of the construct as well. It wasn't only his appearance that bothered me, but the realization that they were dead and that this wasn't an alternate timeline for our characters to live on in. Also, his dialogue was hokey and clumsy... Everyone else's awakening was so elegant, and Jack needed everything spelled out for him. It just wasn't as natural as the rest had been; it was clearly exposition for our benefit.

As for your question, I like to believe that Hurley and Ben absolutely got Desmond off the island, Kate helped Claire to raise Aaron, and Miles and Lapidus lived the sweet life sitting by a pool sipping drinks - all funded by Nikki and Paulo's diamonds. :)
 
As someone said above, they said it wasn't going to be a purgitory/dead
type show. 2 1/2 hours of Duhhhhhhhh oh wait, I love you scenes. That was really lame.

:rolleyes

Come on. Did you guys really expect THEY (producers, writers) would say how the story would end??? They didn't even know how to tie an end to the story! Some characters were going to appear once or twice, but their performance was so good THEY decided to create deeper characters. They were not intended to be there from the get go.

Shows are based on ratings. You don't go and say "Hey, I'm going to write a story that will be told in exactly six seasons!". You write a good treatment, turn it into a script and hope for the best. The networks decide whether or not to renew your contract, not the writers. If they do, you cheer and tell your writers: "We got picked up for another season!!! Start writing now!". So whatever they say at the beginning it is not necessary how the story will develop.

Ok, let's not call it a purgatory, call it limbo, waiting room, lobby... I thought of it as a purgatory because it reminded me of La Divina Commedia or Dante's Inferno, where the character travels through hell, purgatory and heaven, based on Ricardo's thoughts.
 
Besides, the producers simply said the island wasn't purgatory, not that the show wouldn't eventually deal with the afterlife.
 
After taking some time to reflect on the finale I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. The whole they're dead and all the mysteries were created in there own construct world is quite the cop out.

On another note, I guess Richard was right when he said that the island was hell.
 
After taking some time to reflect on the finale I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. The whole they're dead and all the mysteries were created in there own construct world is quite the cop out.

On another note, I guess Richard was right when he said that the island was hell.

The island was a real place though and they didn't die when they got there. Everything save for the "flash sideways" stuff was real.
 
Besides, the producers simply said the island wasn't purgatory, not that the show wouldn't eventually deal with the afterlife.

Exactly. And I for one never took anything they said seriously anyway. They said a lot of things over the run of the series about what the show was, and they were constantly misquoted by fans too.

I have no desire to go back and try and find flaws in what the producers said. I just wanted the show to make sense and have a solid internal logic that worked in the end in some fashion.

It was an emotional finale. I don't mean that it effected me emotionally, I mean the finale of the story was purely about emotion, caring, sharing your life, love, and the events of your life with other people, other souls. That you need other people.

That's why the finale worked for me, because they took the characters somewhere interesting and emotional.
 
After taking some time to reflect on the finale I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. The whole they're dead and all the mysteries were created in there own construct world is quite the cop out.

On another note, I guess Richard was right when he said that the island was hell.

Again, the island stuff (mysteries and all) is not part of the afterlife construct. ONLY the flash sideways is. The rest "really happened."
 
Yeah, I don't understand the posters who think that the finale told them the entire timeline on the Island did not happen in 'reality'. What about the finale makes you think this? It was clearly told to the viewers, what happened really happened. (And frankly, they didn't even need to say that!)
 
I'll say this. The most genius thing the producers did in season six by far is in the first episode, when Sawyer has Juliet dying in his arms and she says "it worked".

Those two words COMPLETELY threw every viewer off the real trail of what was happening for the entire season.

Those two words made everyone think "they did it! They created an alternate reality".

when in actuality, she was just talking about him unplugging a vending machine.

That is GENIUS. and brilliant storytelling.
 
I think the final shot of the empty wreckage is really throwing a lot of people. It certainly made me do a double take and say "hey, wait a sec . . ."

But I think that yes, the island was real and that Jack died laying in the bamboo forest after Lapidus really did get everyone left alive off the island. Jack died smiling with Vincent at his side.

I missed Frank in the church by the way. I would liked to have seen him there too.

I'm guessing that Hurley and Ben probably hung out with Bernard, Rose, and Vincent all the time after Jack passed on and smokey was vanquished. They probably had some good times.

:)
 
If the "waiting room" was a place for all the Losties to reunite once they all passed away, why was Penny there? She didn't spend one day on the island.

Did she? I can't remember since this has all been going on for so long.

I get the whole "non-linear" thing, but the ending still left me a bit "meh".
 
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