Licensed Pulse Rifle pre-order
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gyoung2993
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I have delt with Tom and Matt on several occasions , I have sent them a thousand emails and they both have always had the most helpful insight and responded to my emails,also they also kept updates with me on certain parts they made,Matt and Tom are very professional in every way ,and their reputations are unbeatable, now Im not in the situation like the rest of you gentleman ,however ,I know the work these 2 men do to make top quality parts, one thing I know ,both (MATT AND TOM) are great at what they do for the rest of us ,they will do their best to help everyone .We are all human and we are going to make mistakes ,I am a builder myself and I know these gentleman will come thru and help the to assist everyone ,to the best of their ability, but its like they say ,1 man cant save the world,but they will try ...........
Birdie
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All I was trying to say was that if the build requires a spacer to rectify the droop, it doesn't make a difference what factory put it together. Not meaning to demean anyone's reputation.
However, since I am pretty ignorant of the liberties taken in the production process by third party assemblers, I apologise for any offence caused and bow out....
However, since I am pretty ignorant of the liberties taken in the production process by third party assemblers, I apologise for any offence caused and bow out....
Hirohawa
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But would you have paid $2500 for a US made one?
They don't outsource manufacturing in China to save 20% - they usually outsource to save 200% or more. Factory workers in China make $160 a month.
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Auto Ordinance Thompson $1400
Remington 870 $400
HCG PR $1000
Thats $2800 for real guns and a complete HCG for the shrouds. Are you telling me we can't build a NON FIRING prop for $1100? Something that doesn't have any of the many many costs associated with the real guns or have a real or even metal Spas guard?When you can buy an AR15 for less than a grand? Gimme a break. What are we talking about? Taking an existing item and copying it. No rocket science here boys.
Remington 870 $400
HCG PR $1000
Thats $2800 for real guns and a complete HCG for the shrouds. Are you telling me we can't build a NON FIRING prop for $1100? Something that doesn't have any of the many many costs associated with the real guns or have a real or even metal Spas guard?When you can buy an AR15 for less than a grand? Gimme a break. What are we talking about? Taking an existing item and copying it. No rocket science here boys.
Larry Young
Master Member
UPS tracking says ours is on the truck and out for delivery, so I can't wait to join this conversation after reading all 43 pages. :lol
Delmustator
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rkpetersen
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Delmustator
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I'm seriously thinking about building a semi-auto PR with working 870.
Thompson M1 SBR
$1599.00
I actually found a dealer within 13 miles that carries this weapon!
Hirohawa
Sr Member
Have you ever built a Pulse Rifle? Do you think those parts magically interlock with each other? How about the milling and metal removal required. Cutting the barrel from not one but two firearms (ATF loves that) and what about assembly and painting?
There was a reason SDS rifles went for $4000 using real parts.
I would be very interested to know how many Pulse Rifles currently received by Forum Members actually have the Barrel or SPAS "droop".
Surely a referendum to ascertain this figure would give an overall "average" of how many are defective which would serve to show the potential overall percentage of faulty Rifles from the 1250 manufactured.
By presenting these figures to HCG, there could surely be no arguement from them that there is an actual and real Quality Control issue.
I haven't received mine yet as I'm in the UK but I would be grateful if someone could start the ball rolling and also note the edition number of their PR as this could also show at what point the problem arose or if it was there right from the outset.
Surely a referendum to ascertain this figure would give an overall "average" of how many are defective which would serve to show the potential overall percentage of faulty Rifles from the 1250 manufactured.
By presenting these figures to HCG, there could surely be no arguement from them that there is an actual and real Quality Control issue.
I haven't received mine yet as I'm in the UK but I would be grateful if someone could start the ball rolling and also note the edition number of their PR as this could also show at what point the problem arose or if it was there right from the outset.
No i have never built a PR, but i have welded up 2 UZi receivers and built them up, built up mutiple HK91,93 and 94 clones, 3 AKs, more AR15's and 10's than i can remember. Not that it matters you obviously missed my point. Someone said it would cost $2500 to build a nonfiring prop with no heat treated parts and no rifled barrel (not even seamless tubing) in the US. What i am saying is i can start with 2 working guns (both made in the US) AND this $1000 HCG prop and be close to the $2500. Yes it will be $3000 with the machining and $400 in SBR fees but it will fire lead. Not be a static wall display that will break if you drop it.
TheGreenMachine
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Mine arrived in the mail today. Overall I am pleased with the piece.
The aluminum shroud seems very well done and the paint application seems to be the best on the piece overall. The stock and barrel/vent are pretty well made, but the paint application seems extremely thick. I really like these though I wish the paint was applied less heavily on the stock and vent.
The fit and finish of the resin portions are not quite as nice. The detail on the Thompson seems a bit soft in some areas. It also seems that the clean-up was performed somewhat crudely in a few spots prior to their being painted(like they were sanded with 60 grit paper, then painted). The fit of the bolt is loose and floaty on mine. It would be nicer if it was a bit of a snugger fit. Maybe I'm being picky because I'm subconciously comparing it to the superb resin pieces I own which came from Matt. Mine aslo has a few paint chips/flakes right out of the box, which show the white resin under the heavy black paint.
Generally speaking I am not a fan of whatever resin it seems places are so keen on using in things sorts of products these days(mass produced prop replicas and busts/maquettes). This isn't just an HCG thing, I know Sideshow also seems to use it in almost everything as well. It just seems cheap and filler heavy, which ultimately makes it hold lousy detail and brittle. Companies could at the very least start tinting the stuff to match some base coat color. For example, black would have been a swell color for the PRs
I don't notice any barrel/SPAS droop on my BB standard PR. So it is either not there or so minimal that I'm not really picking up on it.
Speaking of brown bess, those with actual Humbrol brown bess painted items, how close a match is the HCG color? I've never seen brown bess in person only in photos and wasn't expecting it to be quite so... brown :lol
The magnets are strong in the mag clip. The first time I inserted the clip it pulled it in so hard it made the darn battery door pop off inside the mag well. Now it is jammed in there somehow and I can't even completely remove the mag to extract it becasue it catches on the jammed door.. I'm going to need to look inside it with a flashlight later tonight and try and carefully use a screw driver or some similar utensil to try and reposition it so I can remove the mag and then extract and the re-attach the battery door.... grrrrr.
Critical comments notwithstanding I don't regret the purchase and feel it is worth the money. It is honestly what I expected at the price point for a mass produced item. If I could have changed anything about the design it would be replacing the resin portions with some sort of higher impact injection molded plastic. That's my practical wish as opposed to it being all metal
The paint chips are minor issues in my opinion. I can easily fix them and I had always planned on weathering the piece once I received it anyway.
- TGM
The aluminum shroud seems very well done and the paint application seems to be the best on the piece overall. The stock and barrel/vent are pretty well made, but the paint application seems extremely thick. I really like these though I wish the paint was applied less heavily on the stock and vent.
The fit and finish of the resin portions are not quite as nice. The detail on the Thompson seems a bit soft in some areas. It also seems that the clean-up was performed somewhat crudely in a few spots prior to their being painted(like they were sanded with 60 grit paper, then painted). The fit of the bolt is loose and floaty on mine. It would be nicer if it was a bit of a snugger fit. Maybe I'm being picky because I'm subconciously comparing it to the superb resin pieces I own which came from Matt. Mine aslo has a few paint chips/flakes right out of the box, which show the white resin under the heavy black paint.
Generally speaking I am not a fan of whatever resin it seems places are so keen on using in things sorts of products these days(mass produced prop replicas and busts/maquettes). This isn't just an HCG thing, I know Sideshow also seems to use it in almost everything as well. It just seems cheap and filler heavy, which ultimately makes it hold lousy detail and brittle. Companies could at the very least start tinting the stuff to match some base coat color. For example, black would have been a swell color for the PRs
I don't notice any barrel/SPAS droop on my BB standard PR. So it is either not there or so minimal that I'm not really picking up on it.
Speaking of brown bess, those with actual Humbrol brown bess painted items, how close a match is the HCG color? I've never seen brown bess in person only in photos and wasn't expecting it to be quite so... brown :lol
The magnets are strong in the mag clip. The first time I inserted the clip it pulled it in so hard it made the darn battery door pop off inside the mag well. Now it is jammed in there somehow and I can't even completely remove the mag to extract it becasue it catches on the jammed door.. I'm going to need to look inside it with a flashlight later tonight and try and carefully use a screw driver or some similar utensil to try and reposition it so I can remove the mag and then extract and the re-attach the battery door.... grrrrr.
Critical comments notwithstanding I don't regret the purchase and feel it is worth the money. It is honestly what I expected at the price point for a mass produced item. If I could have changed anything about the design it would be replacing the resin portions with some sort of higher impact injection molded plastic. That's my practical wish as opposed to it being all metal
The paint chips are minor issues in my opinion. I can easily fix them and I had always planned on weathering the piece once I received it anyway.
- TGM
I'm seriously thinking about building a semi-auto PR with working 870.
Thompson M1 SBR
$1599.00
I actually found a dealer within 13 miles that carries this weapon!
PM sent for an address.... :cool
I've had mine since Saturday, and I haven't been able to keep may hands off it. I can't see any barrel droop on mine at all. The grenade launcher could MAYBE be raised a degree or two, but honestly, I'd have never noticed if such a big deal hadn't been made about this whole thing (not that those with more severe droop are making a big deal of it. i would be miffed too).
Honestly, my only complaint with the entire thing is that the 870 loading door hangs 2mm below the SPAS cage, and I'm afraid if it sags anymore, the pump will shatter it when it makes contact. As of now, it hits the pump and slides up due to the slight compound curve near the top. However, this is a very easy, reversible, and invisible fix.
I am VERY happy with my purchase. This has always been my holy grail prop, and I'm elated to finally have it, and with such high quality. I'm hoping a way of disassembly is found that won't destroy the resin, as I would love to eventually put light and sound into this, as well as make other upgrades. But if that never happens, I'm perfectly happy with the way it is right now.
I'll post some pics soon.
Honestly, my only complaint with the entire thing is that the 870 loading door hangs 2mm below the SPAS cage, and I'm afraid if it sags anymore, the pump will shatter it when it makes contact. As of now, it hits the pump and slides up due to the slight compound curve near the top. However, this is a very easy, reversible, and invisible fix.
I am VERY happy with my purchase. This has always been my holy grail prop, and I'm elated to finally have it, and with such high quality. I'm hoping a way of disassembly is found that won't destroy the resin, as I would love to eventually put light and sound into this, as well as make other upgrades. But if that never happens, I'm perfectly happy with the way it is right now.
I'll post some pics soon.
