Licensed Pulse Rifle pre-order

[Boshek]

To those who keep posting pictures of stunt rifle props from the original movie..

Those pics are completely irrelevent and off topic of this issue.

- We did not buy a stunt rfle. We bought a hero.
- We bought a rifle based on prototype pictures. Those pictures were of a straight spas and barrel.
- This is obviously a defect and the stunt rifles that were used on set, have nothing to do with an obvious defect on a product that was supposed to be straight.

 

[Boshek]

Excellent post Stuntman! Thanks for the heads up!
I guess mine is going back since there has been no announcment on what to do with these from HCG.

Anyone thinking they may return theirs, please be sure to read HCG's refund policy. You need to let them know about the droop defect no more than 3 days upon receipt of your PR. See below:

Refund Policy
Hollywood Collectibles Group offers a fifteen day money back guarantee (excluding shipping and handling) on any of the products sold directly from this website, provided that they are returned to and received by us within 15 days of the original delivery date of the product to you. The product must also be returned in unused, undamaged condition in its original packaging and in the same condition as it was sent to you. The customer MUST inform Hollywood Collectibles Group of any defective product within three (3) days of receipt. In the case of shipping damage all packaging materials must be kept for inspection.

 

[jdegraff]

Honestly I'm quite glad I was out of the loop and un-employed during this whole PR pre-order thing. Otherwise, I KNOW I would have dropped the money on it based on the prototype pics, and I'd have been PI$$ED when it showed up with that droop.
Jesse

 

[Xhiwar]

To those who keep posting pictures of stunt rifle props from the original movie..

Those pics are completely irrelevent and off topic of this issue.

- We did not buy a stunt rfle. We bought a hero.
- We bought a rifle based on prototype pictures. Those pictures were of a straight spas and barrel.
- This is obviously a defect and the stunt rifles that were used on set, have nothing to do with an obvious defect on a product that was supposed to be straight.

As I said, no it's not a hero.
While I agree that the prototype pics did not show a "droop", HCG had a stunt rifle for reference and they copied a stunt rifle. The product is a stunt rifle, however idealized they are (i.e. no "wonky" shrouds etc.)
So if people show pics of stunt rifles with barrel droop, it's not like it's something else completely, because the HCG rifle is absolutely and clearly a replica of a stunt rifle.

BUT I have to agree that they never said they were going to copy any barrel droop, and the advertising pics never showed that. The "droop" is something they should have "corrected", otherwise why bother making the shrouds all nice and not dented? I'm sure even the stunt rifles were "supposed" to be straight and without barrel droop.

So when they now say that it's supposed to be there, why did none of the advertising pics ever show the droop? Not buying it...


Cheers!
Xhiwar

 

[ghostryder]

To those who keep posting pictures of stunt rifle props from the original movie..

Those pics are completely irrelevent and off topic of this issue.

- We did not buy a stunt rfle. We bought a hero.
- We bought a rifle based on prototype pictures. Those pictures were of a straight spas and barrel.
- This is obviously a defect and the stunt rifles that were used on set, have nothing to do with an obvious defect on a product that was supposed to be straight.

Bo - hey, not sure if you're addressing me, but I thought the photos would help show that the on the hero (almost all those pics are the hero, not the resin stunt), that the (LOOSE) SHROUD was out of alignment on the one hero rifle, not the barrel.

I agree, if the prototype shown didn't have the barrel droop, then the production pieces shouldn't either.

Here are some additional pics of another hero:

 

[JLinNY]

Those pisc are sweet!! Thanks for posting :thumbsup

 

[Boshek]

Bo - hey, not sure if you're addressing me, but I thought the photos would help show that the on the hero (almost all those pics are the hero, not the resin stunt), that the (LOOSE) SHROUD was out of alignment on the one hero rifle, not the barrel.

I agree, if the prototype shown didn't have the barrel droop, then the production pieces shouldn't either.

Nope, It was not addressed to you in any way. I just think there are a few other people confusing the issue with pics of bent stunt rifles. :thumbsdown

 

[noble]

Thanks Willie and Roman!

I was getting frustrated for a moment over the weekend.



Can someone measure the barrel diameter on the HCG?

 

[Jeyl]

As I said, no it's not a hero.
While I agree that the prototype pics did not show a "droop", HCG had a stunt rifle for reference and they copied a stunt rifle.

1. Stunt Rifles are meant for stunt purposes. i.e., they have no components that make a hero version the hero. No pump action, no light up counter, no removable magazine, no hollowed out barrels and no working triggers. This HCG Rifle has all of that.

2. Stunt versions are usually meant for situations that require heavy stunt work that puts the prop through a lot of rigorous situations that would most likely destroy the hero prop. So after much use, one would expect that the barrel on the stunt version having a droop would be the result much heavy use in the filming, NOT because it was there by design.

3. HCG did not just work off of the 'stunt' version. They confirmed that they used schematics from an artist by the name of Matt Warzdale (Who looks an awful lot like Matsuo). And judging by every schematic I've seen of the Pulse Rifle, none of them featured elements to ensure the rifle drooped.

 

[Luke Skyvader]

As I said, no it's not a hero.
While I agree that the prototype pics did not show a "droop", HCG had a stunt rifle for reference and they copied a stunt rifle. The product is a stunt rifle, however idealized they are (i.e. no "wonky" shrouds etc.)
So if people show pics of stunt rifles with barrel droop, it's not like it's something else completely, because the HCG rifle is absolutely and clearly a replica of a stunt rifle.

BUT I have to agree that they never said they were going to copy any barrel droop, and the advertising pics never showed that. The "droop" is something they should have "corrected", otherwise why bother making the shrouds all nice and not dented? I'm sure even the stunt rifles were "supposed" to be straight and without barrel droop.

So when they now say that it's supposed to be there, why did none of the advertising pics ever show the droop? Not buying it...


Cheers!
Xhiwar

Dude,

You keep saying that.

Pretend I'm not a member of the RPF.

I know nothing of the research that went into this product that's been posted by you.

Pleeeeease show Me (Mr. casual internet browser who happened upon a cool pulse rifle offer by HCG) where it reads that this prop replica is based off measurements from a stunt version which has a significant barrel droop and in no way should be confused with an actual hero version, idealized version, or the item we've put on display at our website and in person at various venues.

I mean they're saying it now after the fact, but com'on

Help me out I'm stupid.

And to be clear about my personal position and a situation that I assume others here might share. I opted for their payment plan. According to their terms I loose out if i cancel, the loss depends on how far into the payment schedule I am. I've yet to hear how (or if) this "development" affects those terms.

It's a nice gun but I can't live with a bent barrel. If somebody here comes up with a decent repair I'll keep it and attempt the fix.

 

[ghostryder]

Here are some additional pics of Pulse Rifle "Delta" - the one in Propstore's permanent collection:

 

[Xhiwar]

1. Stunt Rifles are meant for stunt purposes. i.e., they have no components that make a hero version the hero. No pump action, no light up counter, no removable magazine, no hollowed out barrels and no working triggers. This HCG Rifle has all of that.

2. Stunt versions are usually meant for situations that require heavy stunt work that usually puts the prop through a lot of rigorous situations that would most likely destroy the hero prop. So after much use, one would expect that the barrel on the stunt version having a droop be a result of so much heavy use in the film, NOT because it was designed that way.

3. HCG did not just work off of the 'stunt' version. They confirmed that they used schematics from an artist by the name of Matt Warzdale (Who looks an awful lot like Matsuo). And judging by every schematic I've seen of the Pulse Rifle, none of them featured elements to ensure the rifle drooped.

Let's clear this up.

The 10-hole hero is the actual "hero" rifle. It's used in pretty much every close-up scene of the movie. It had a real Thompson and a real 870.

The "stunt" rifles were the ones with real Thompsons, but no 870s. Only afterwards was the grenade launcher (probably) "transplanted" to an 8-hole stunt rifle, which is the one propstore owns. These are mostly a bit "wonky",the shrouds have dents and they're not as pretty and nice as the 10-hole hero.

Then there's the "dummy" version, the lightweight foam or rubber rifle used when Ripley had to carry a flamer and a PR.


Now, HCG had an original stunt rifle for reference, without working grenade launcher. They idealized it (i.e. no more dents in the HCG PR), but apparently did not remove the "droop", even though it's the one thing that definitely NEEDS to be corrected, since no one would want a rifle with a drooping barrel.

Cheers!
Roman

 

[Zenwalker]

Well, if this defect is a relatively easy fix and HCG provides guidance on repair and still provides a warranty for that then I don't have a problem fixing it. However, if this is going be extremely difficult to fix or not fixable at all then I will be getting a refund. There are too many other things that I can spend my money on that are hassle free.

I realize a lot of work and research went into this thing by the likes of matsuo and others and everything else looks great on it. But the drooping barrel just kills it for me. I just simply don't have the time, money or patience at this point to fix something like this , especially when I am paying $900 I expect it to be right in the first place.

 

[MooMooEgg]

Well, I just sent an email to HCG about the droop (and my loose piece in the grenade launcher) just to be safe. I really REALLY hope they'll address the issue somehow and not basically say "take it or leave it..." :cry

 

[Xhiwar]

Dude,
Pleeeeease show Me (Mr. casual internet browser who happened upon a cool pulse rifle offer by HCG) where it reads that this prop replica is based off measurements from a stunt version which has a significant barrel droop and in no way should be confused with an actual hero version, idealized version, or the item we've put on display at our website and in person at various venues.

Not all of the stunt rifles have the droop, but from what I remember, HCG had one which had the droop.
But they never said they'd replicate it, why should they, I mean the droop is obviously there because the rifle was assembled quickly for the movie and should have been "idealized" away on the HCG rifles...

Now they're saying it's supposed to be there, but I don't buy that. They obviously made sure the droop doesn't show up in any of the advertising pics...

Cheers!
Roman

 

[ghostryder]

Roman - I think some terminology may be getting jumbled here - to most folks, stunt = resin, hero = metal/real parts/firing. I don't think there were ever rubber Pulse Rifles made, just resin castings off the hero.

 

[JLinNY]

Let's clear this up.

The 10-hole hero is the actual "hero" rifle. It's used in pretty much every close-up scene of the movie. It had a real Thompson and a real 870.

The "stunt" rifles were the ones with real Thompsons, but no 870s. Only afterwards was the grenade launcher (probably) "transplanted" to an 8-hole stunt rifle, which is the one propstore owns. These are mostly a bit "wonky",the shrouds have dents and they're not as pretty and nice as the 10-hole hero.

Then there's the "dummy" version, the lightweight foam or rubber rifle used when Ripley had to carry a flamer and a PR.


Now, HCG had an original stunt rifle for reference, without working grenade launcher. They idealized it (i.e. no more dents in the HCG PR), but apparently did not remove the "droop", even though it's the one thing that definitely NEEDS to be corrected, since no one would want a rifle with a drooping barrel.

Cheers!
Roman

Your reasoning is faulty. If the droop was meant to be there, then why is there no droop in the pictures on their site?????

 

[Xhiwar]

Your reasoning is faulty. If the droop was meant to be there, then why is there no droop in the pictures on their site?????

Read before you post.
As I said, I don't buy what HCG is saying, they never showed the droop in the advertising pics.

Oh and Matt, I know that's what people "think" when referring to hero/stunt, but the rifles with wonky shrouds are certainly not hero rifles, I mean they look like they'd fall apart after firing a "short, controlled burst". And they were especially never used for close-ups, probably due to drooping barrels and somesuch...

Cheers!
Roman

 

[Delmustator]

Thanks Willie and Roman!

I was getting frustrated for a moment over the weekend.

Can someone measure the barrel diameter on the HCG?

5/8" OD steel pipe. You can see where it was rolled and welded inside the pipe.

 

[Jeyl]

Now, HCG had an original stunt rifle for reference, without working grenade launcher. They idealized it (i.e. no more dents in the HCG PR), but apparently did not remove the "droop", even though it's the one thing that definitely NEEDS to be corrected, since no one would want a rifle with a drooping barrel.

Cheers!

First, I will not raise my glass to that.

Second, if there was a droop, they DID correct it, because all of their prototypes that were showcased both on their website and on the convention video shows no signs of the barrel being drooped. What we are most likely dealing with here is an error at manufacturing. These ladies were made over seas in China, a foreign country with a foreign language that HCG doesn't have a lot of experts on site to ensure that everything is being made according to plan.