Licensed Pulse Rifle pre-order
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JLinNY
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Exactly.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
Here's Willie's Quick and Dirty Field Guide™ to (most) of the hero rifles known to still exist:
Alpha (private collection)
Beta (on display at Comic-Con 2009)
Delta (Propstore)
Gamma (the old Icons Latta rifle now in a private collection)
Epsilon (private collection)
Zeta (the Lawrence Nathan refurbished hero used for technical manual shoot, now in private collection)
Eta (the "bent stock" rifle)
http://alienscollection.com/alienwarprleft.jpg
http://alienscollection.com/alienwarprright.jpg
Theta (photographed at Alien War)
Alpha (private collection)
Beta (on display at Comic-Con 2009)
Delta (Propstore)
Gamma (the old Icons Latta rifle now in a private collection)
Epsilon (private collection)
Zeta (the Lawrence Nathan refurbished hero used for technical manual shoot, now in private collection)
Eta (the "bent stock" rifle)
http://alienscollection.com/alienwarprleft.jpg
http://alienscollection.com/alienwarprright.jpg
Theta (photographed at Alien War)
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I really feel for you guys.
Two things bother me about this barrel droop - one, the HCG website (and from memory, press releases) state this is a hero pulse rifle replica. Two, if some rifles have the droop, and some dont, then that still means theres a manufacturing problem.
This reminds me of Sideshows 12" figure of ANH Han - the exclusive accessory was the Greedo blaster, but all the regular figures ended up with it, and not the hero blaster. Fine, these things happen, but when i contacted SS, i was told that no, the Greedo blaster was the hero. So now, every time I look at him, all i see is that blaster. And thats just a tiny inch long bit of plastic!
Im not wailing on HCG here, just musing on how you guys must feel looking at a wonky front end!
Two things bother me about this barrel droop - one, the HCG website (and from memory, press releases) state this is a hero pulse rifle replica. Two, if some rifles have the droop, and some dont, then that still means theres a manufacturing problem.
This reminds me of Sideshows 12" figure of ANH Han - the exclusive accessory was the Greedo blaster, but all the regular figures ended up with it, and not the hero blaster. Fine, these things happen, but when i contacted SS, i was told that no, the Greedo blaster was the hero. So now, every time I look at him, all i see is that blaster. And thats just a tiny inch long bit of plastic!
Im not wailing on HCG here, just musing on how you guys must feel looking at a wonky front end!
Exactly. I'm not defending HCG, and I think the "it's supposed to be there" argument is just an excuse. They'd have advertised the barrel droop by saying "look, we even replicated the barrel droop". But the droop was simply NOT there in the advertising pics, so I believe they're just trying to cover their behinds.
Luke Skyvader
Sr Member
My point Roman is this.
You seem to be backing up HCG's claim that this was an intentional design and the buyer should have been aware of this regardless of what was represented.
Is that what you're saying?
It goes two ways:
It was intentional. Then I say "Bait & Switch"
"Oops our bad". Than don't tell me tough luck and alter your return policy as well as other applicable policies.
Alright. Time to bring out what got me into this mess in the first place.
ICONS REPLICAS! I'm calling you out! Did any of your two Pulse Rifles come with a drooped Barrel?!
Didn't think so. Man, if only I had that hero in my hands (which I paid for in half), I'd be laughing at HCG instead of worrying about them.
ICONS REPLICAS! I'm calling you out! Did any of your two Pulse Rifles come with a drooped Barrel?!
Didn't think so. Man, if only I had that hero in my hands (which I paid for in half), I'd be laughing at HCG instead of worrying about them.
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No, I'm not defending them, I just wanted to point out that people complaining about the posted pic of the original rifle with barrel droop - because it's a "stunt rifle" - are wrong.
Even if you call the stunt rifles (i.e. the ones without firing Remingtons) "hero" rifles, then I have to add that HCG did in fact use a "hero" rifle for reference, since that pic of the original rifle with barrel droop has a real Thompson inside.
So even in that constellation, you can't complain about people posting pics of a "stunt rifle" to justify the droop, since you just said "hero" is the non-resin rifles, and by definition, the pic of the original with barrel droop would be a "hero" version as well.
But, I get your point. I believe the droop is a construction error, and it was not intentional.
Cheers!
Roman
JLinNY
Sr Member
Alright. Time to bring out what got me into this mess in the first place.
ICONS REPLICAS! I'm calling you out! Did any of your two Pulse Rifles come with a drooped Barrel?!
Didn't think so. Man, if only I had that hero in my hands (which I paid for in half), I'd be laughing at HCG instead of worrying about them.
I always thought that was a neat wall display.
Its just another glorious day in the corps! Every meal a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, and every beautifully designed prop replica manufactured with a bent spac cage and barrel!
I Love the corps!
hah hah..just kidding..
Here is an actual pic of mine that I just took with my phone.. (better ones will follow).
Keep in mind, I tried to make the droop, show as little as possible.
The gun is actually standing on its clip. The front part of the clip, is resting on a piece of wood that is slightly higher than the other, which props the gun up a bit in the front, and levels the look of it out..
I also put some semi agressive upwards pressure on the front of the Spas case, in an effort to "persuade" it to where its supposed to be.. But I didnt want to put too much on it, since we are not talking about materials that have any kind of give, except for the barrel.. It moved a bit, but not much... The spas, is the real problem. And its glued in there pretty good.
Anyway, I dont think mine is as bad as some of the others.. however you can still plainly see the SPAs cage is pointed down and on an angle.. Beautiful piece otherwise..
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :lol
But really... the stoppers on the SPAS cage inside the magwell clearly shows that they were designed to go on straight.
I'm really conflicted over this now. We've waited so long. My current PR is very nice, but it does lack a few things compared to the HCG. (No wonky barrel though.) Maybe I'll do what lots of others are going to- gut the HCG and use the metal airsoft and real SPAS cage from the one I have to make one helluva replica.
I believe Matt Noble started the confusion.
This pic here:
http://www.b26354.co.nz/brown_pr.jpg
shows a PR with a real Thompson, and it shows barrel droop.
Now, either you can say "hero" rifles are all the ones with metal parts. Then you can't tell me "this pic does not prove anything because it is a stunt rifle". It has a real Thompson inside, so it's a hero rifle as per your definition. Therefore, people posting this pic to say that (at least some) original PRs had barrel droop are correct, and everyone saying "no, it's just a stunt rifle" are wrong.
OR: you can say only the 10-hole hero ( http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2360/52482610.jpg ) is a "hero". By that definition, all other rifles are stunt rifles. And since HCG's rifle only has 8 holes, it's a stunt as well. But then, the pic of the original with barrel droop STILL shows an original "stunt" with barrel droop, since it's a "stunt" rifle and the HGC would (by that definition) be a stunt as well. So the pic STILL proves that there was at least one original rifle with barrel droop.
Now I'm not defending HCG in any way, it's just that people got agitated about the pic being posted several times and several members (for example JLinNY) said that the image is of a stunt rifle and therefore is something completely different, so it doesn't prove that there were "hero" rifles with barrel droop. But that's not true, it's in the same "category" as the HCG rifle.
As said, I don't believe HCG's explanation and I'm not defending them. I don't believe that they did this intentionally, especially since the barrel droop was in NONE of their advertising pics...
Cheers!
Roman
FYI
I just called HCG and spoke to the same guy I spoke to a few days ago when I asked if they still had any PR left (then, he told me "quite a few").
Today, I asked him about the wait list that is now advertised for the standard PR.
He sounded unaware that the PR had gone on wait list and suggested that perhaps they are just waiting for additional stock.
It COULD be that they are holding off on selling more until they take a look at this apparent 'droop' issue, but I'm hoping it's not because they are sold out of thier stock.
I really wanted to do the payment plan thing and none of the authorized resellers offer that.
I just called HCG and spoke to the same guy I spoke to a few days ago when I asked if they still had any PR left (then, he told me "quite a few").
Today, I asked him about the wait list that is now advertised for the standard PR.
He sounded unaware that the PR had gone on wait list and suggested that perhaps they are just waiting for additional stock.
It COULD be that they are holding off on selling more until they take a look at this apparent 'droop' issue, but I'm hoping it's not because they are sold out of thier stock.
I really wanted to do the payment plan thing and none of the authorized resellers offer that.
JLinNY
Sr Member
No, I didn't say anything about the pictures being anything. To be honest I don't know a hero from a stunt. Nor do I really care.
All I was saying is that regardless of what they modeled their rifle on, their web site pics show a rifle with no droop. And these pics are what I odered from.
Delmustator
Sr Member
Roman, I have to disagree. If you look at the breech to barrel line on that PR, the Thompson barrel is straight. The SPAS is angled down from butt to nose. Being that a real Thompson barrel is heat treated specifically to maintain it's straightness, I cannot believe that anything short of running over it with a tank would bend the barrel.
Anyhoo, I just sent HCG a second email looking for a response and referenced this thread in the email. You know they MUST be looking into this issue.
Sidewinder
Sr Member
Well, OK, wasn't you then, sorry. But Matt Noble definitely got a bit agitated in his post.
http://www.therpf.com/f9/licensed-pulse-rifle-pre-order-62252/index34.html#post1331144
But I guess it's understandable when you get a $1000 prop with a major defect...
About the barrel not drooping in the pic of the original, well, but it certainly looks "warped", but probably more due to the form of the shroud. I actually never thought any PR's had drooping barrels until HCG claimed their rifle is supposed to have it...
Cheers!
Roman
