Let's Talk All Things Star Wars (Again)
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The best thing to come out of TFA was Rey's Theme. It's so beautiful, and worthy to join the pantheon of individual themes that John Williams wrote for each character. Obi-Wan's theme too.
I don't think we can really blame the ST for that. Not too much anyway.
When Disney took over and the ST was announced, the whole SW fanbase was pretty much screaming "Make it more like the OT!" The tone flipped over to "It was a total retread!" after people walked out of ep#7. They had been begging for it 2 hours earlier. The OT-heavy visuals had gone over really well in all the trailers.
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Joek3rr
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I've mentioned this before. While seeing old McQuarrie designs come to life is cool. (Like the RZ-2 A-wing) It had the effect of making the ST feel even more of a derivative of the OT, as opposed to being its own thing. Not that little bit is bad, look at the opening ship in Episode I, its got a distinct OT feel. Welcoming us in. Before going completely sideways with crazy droid and ship designs.
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Wakeem
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The Force Awakens was on TV a while back. I only watched a minute or so of the bar scene. Rey's theme is ok. I did enjoy the snow lightsaber fight as well. But I thought the movie depended on the sequel. And I can't watch either of those again.
I did like the end credits music in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. I saved it from youtube. But I wonder if that's because it might be the final Indiana Jones movie. And it really shouldn't end like that. I felt a lot of nostalgia in remembering where I first saw Raiders of the Lost Ark in school. It made me realize how much I like the character. And needed some items that I never considered getting before.
I also remembered that Lost in Space is possibly the first John Williams music I ever heard. I didn't know it at the time. I would watch the re-runs that I also didn't know were re-runs.
HeartBlade
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This is my biggest issue with TFA. I dont hate it and felt its humor was quite good as an entry (it isnt the most original) but so much was contingent on how the sequels would play out (Rey's origins, how they got Luke's saber, why Luke was MIA, who is Snoke and how did he corrupt Ben, why is Finn different/chose to escape, why does Rey have the force and is so strong).
I do think the story can continue but the bigger question is will people bother watching? They can do a story in Rey rebuilding the jedi order, Rey going on adventures as a jedi master and learning to become a grand master and more powerful in the force and help build a new galactric republic or order. Problem is these characters arnt liked and are just telling stories people wanted with the OT trio. Setting a story thousands of years after could give a chance at a new slate but the next issue is people dont trust Disney to make good original Star Wars content anymore (also means killing off characters like Rey or Ahsoka which the heads likely dont like).
Well the main problem with that (other than no one watching) is that Luke was clearly who was intended to rebuild the Jedi Order. You're not going to get over THAT hump with a huge portion of fans.
Yes, it's too clear that George was intending for Luke to reboot the Jedi religion (and for Leia & the rebels to rebuild the galactic govt). The ST basically tossed all that because the OT cast was too old and Disney wanted to re-center on some new 20yo characters.
It would be much easier (and less traumatic for big chunks of the SW fanbase) if there was some way to compromise and patch up the ST's problems. But I don't think it can be done. I think the ST just needs to be abandoned. There was more wrong with it than right. The only movie of the 3 that feels solid is the first one, but it's an OT highlight reel and it's already a decade old.
In a few more years the ST will be as far back as the prequels were when the ST came out. The ST won't have the shine of a recent/active project to help boost perceptions of it. All that will remain is a rickety storyline that clashes with the intent of the Lucas movies.
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While technically true, it's actually far deeper than that. Rey was very specifically Kennedy's creation, her "Mary Sue" way of injecting herself into the new films. She and her team were very vocal about wanting to turn Star Wars into only something intended for female (or otherwise feminist) audiences.
Kennedy hated Luke and Han, and actively influenced the writing of their characters to turn them into losers for the ST. Han was portrayed as a deadbeat dad who couldn't keep a marriage together and ran away, while Luke is portrayed as a crazy old hermit who abandoned his calling at the first setback. You don't do that kind of damage to your existing IP if you're just wanting to introduce 20-somethings.
This is why Favreau had to keep Luke's return in Mando Season 2 a secret. Kennedy would have squashed it back when she had more power.
Besides, we've seen old characters introduce new characters successfully in other IPs...you can have both. For Kennedy, it wasn't enough to leave the OT cast behind...she wanted to destroy their legacy. Again, she and her team were vocal about this.
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HeartBlade
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Yup. The OT ends with the prospects of a happy new future where the jedi are restored by Luke, Leia and Han marry and Leia will likely take the lead as the new leader of the Galactic government, whatever form it may be. The ST honestly started with a good idea of Leia being the "hero" to bring order to the galaxy since neither Luke nor Han have any experience in politics or ruling. Leia is a natural leader who could have united planets thanks to her roles as a leader of the rebellion and as one of their heroes who was personally involved in taking down the empire. ST really should have focused on this, commenting how defeating the bad guys is only half the battle.
ST is argubaly in an even worse position with its heroes to be honest. Rey only has the jedi texts and no real training from established jedi so would have more trouble running an order since Luke trained under Obi Wan and Yoda and still failed. Neither Poe nor Finn are political leaders and would be outwitted by a decent politician, let alone a mastermind like Palpatine.
It seems even regular people are recognizing how poor the ST is with people talking about how "little" Star Wars has actually evovled since the release of TFA, how low quality the tv shows are, and the lack of anything new and innovative in the series. Disney has cemented itself as an entity that cant deliver good Star Wars content and I dont think removing KK or even a soft reboot is enough to change that mindset.
Joek3rr
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Laspector
Master Member
The Empire Strikes Back.
"...from a probe droid in the Hoth "system."
"...an energy field surrounding an area of the sixth planet of the Hoth "system."
Wouldn't all this imply that it is actually the star of that solar system that is named Hoth, not the planet itself.
If that is the case then the Family Guy joke may indeed be correct: "Hoth? Shouldn't it be called Coldth?
"...from a probe droid in the Hoth "system."
"...an energy field surrounding an area of the sixth planet of the Hoth "system."
Wouldn't all this imply that it is actually the star of that solar system that is named Hoth, not the planet itself.
If that is the case then the Family Guy joke may indeed be correct: "Hoth? Shouldn't it be called Coldth?
cboath
Master Member
There very well could be a planet named hoth in the hoth system. I give you New York, New YorkThe Empire Strikes Back.
"...from a probe droid in the Hoth "system."
"...an energy field surrounding an area of the sixth planet of the Hoth "system."
Wouldn't all this imply that it is actually the star of that solar system that is named Hoth, not the planet itself.
If that is the case then the Family Guy joke may indeed be correct: "Hoth? Shouldn't it be called Coldth?
Lightning
Master Member
Sort of, that also means the planet is named Hoth VI. Which you would shorten to just Hoth if it was the only inhabited planet.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Like the the gas giant Yavin, in the Yavin system, which is actually with four moons, Yavin I-IV.
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