James Cameron - Hypocrite

“There’s a sense of entitlement — ‘We’re here, we’re big, we’ve got the guns, we’ve got the technology, we’ve got the brains, we therefore are entitled to every damn thing on this planet’,” he said.

“That’s not how it works and we’re going to find out the hard way if we don’t wise up and start seeking a life that’s in balance with the natural cycles of life on earth.”



How is driving a Ford GT seeking balance and natural cycles with life on earth? LOL

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If he ever wants to live a life more in balance with the Earth's natural cycles, I will gladly take that GT off him. It's my favorite car of all time. So much so that when I went to a high end car showroom, I skipped the Bugatti and went straight for a beautiful red GT.

I want it...I only wish it was a current production model. At this rate by the time I can afford one at today's prices, they'll have risen even further in value!

-Nick
 
"The re-election of President George W. Bush in 2004 caused James Cameron to revoke his application for U.S. citizenship,"



So this guy who revoked his application to become an American citizen wishes to influence public policy in America?
 
Despite any disagreement over nuance,
I totally agree with these two statements.

Mike
Sorry, I thought you were blaming the money/lifestyle instead of the man.
I've heard to many people blame peoples wealth/lifestyle, instead of their character. Which is the real issue here.

Just think we would have much more respect for Cameron, if he would only talk movies. It's to bad, but then he isn't the first in Hollywood to act like this.

What I wonder, who is he trying to impress with such hypocritical talk.
 
If he ever wants to live a life more in balance with the Earth's natural cycles, I will gladly take that GT off him. It's my favorite car of all time. So much so that when I went to a high end car showroom, I skipped the Bugatti and went straight for a beautiful red GT.

I want it...I only wish it was a current production model. At this rate by the time I can afford one at today's prices, they'll have risen even further in value!

-Nick


I love that car. Unfortunately I will have to be content with diecast models of it. :lol
 
That's making things FAR too specific though. It all boils down to this: He wants people to care about the environment, but his lifestyle is not conducive to such a position itself. Then he asks that everyone else make sacrifices in their lives in order to be more environmentally friendly, and yet he seemingly makes none. And don't tell me CFLs over Inkies or not always running the AC are sacrifices. At most I'd call them compromises, not even rising to the level of a concession.

He contradicts the very spirit of his message through his lifestyle. If he lived in a yurt using only wind power and a composting toilet, (A tad extreme for the sake of fun) I think people would actually laud him for being consistent in his message...even if they disagreed with it.

-Nick

But again, those are your arguments. You're applying your value judgments. You may not think switching to CFLs is a "sacrifice," but that's one of the things the "green movement" (for lack of a better term) has brought to the public consciousness. You may not think that changing the thermostat is a big deal, but again, that's been the message of the "green movement."

To quote Al Gore from "An Inconvenient Truth," he says: "Each one of us is a cause of global warming, but each one of us can make choices to change that with the things we buy, the electricity we use, the cars we drive..."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_inconvenient_truth#cite_note-8

I don't know if you saw the film, but at the end, during the credits, the film had brief suggestions on what viewers can do to reduce carbon emissions, the first thing it said was buy energy efficient appliances and lightbulbs, change your thermostat, weatherize your house, recycle, "if you can, buy a hybrid car," "when you can, walk or ride a bicycle," plant trees, etc, etc, etc. That's the message.

As I said before, I think the arguments coming from the environmental side are being blown out of proportion and y'all are acting like Al Gore is trying to impose some draconian laws saying don't ever drive your car again. And speaking of Al Gore, the Gores opted to pay thousands more on their utility bills to purchase renewable energy. Not walking the walk, you say?

So what is Cameron's actual message? Because again, by definition, to be a hypocrite, one has to contradict one's own message, not the standards of his detractors. The "we're going to have to live with less" line came from an LA Times article:
"And it will be a dying world if we don't make some fundamental changes about how we view ourselves and how we view wealth," Cameron says. "I consider the wealth of this nation its natural resources, not the things that we're brought up to think of as wealth. We're going to have to live with less.
"And I know people will look at me and say, 'Oh, he's a rich guy. What does he know about living with less?' I admit it's difficult once you've reached a certain level in your life. But I think there's a way to live and raise your kids with a set of values that teaches them the importance of hard work, the importance of respecting other people and the importance of respecting nature. And that it's not this consumer society where you buy something and then throw it away when you get the next new thing, filling up huge landfills with plastic and electronics."


Is he telling wealthy people to abandon their mansions? Working folk to not drive? Is he saying "green troopers" are going to come to your door? Nope. Although admittedly, he's not making a strong case in defending himself against the criticism.



As I said before, I'm honestly not trying to defend Cameron. He may well be a hypocrite. But nothing in this thread actually definitively proves that he is one, because none of the claims against him are verifiable. Moreover, the video in the OP clearly has a political agenda based on Prop 23 and that video makes some pretty outlandish claims. I don't want to get into the political side of the argument, so I'll leave it at that. But if you go to the noteviljustwrong.com link in the video, they're trying to sell you an anti-global warming documentary. So Al Gore and James Cameron are hypocrites for profiting off of "global warming hysteria," while these people are not for basically doing the same thing from the opposite side of the spectrum?


All I'm asking for is objectivity and rationality.
 
Fact or not....

The carbon footprint of his lifestyle is vastly larger then any average familys?

True or false?

That's probably true. But that still doesn't change the fact that you have no verifiable facts to say that he hasn't reduced his carbon footprint.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to use arbitrary numbers in the following example, honestly, I have no idea what the average "carbon footprint" is. Let's say the average family out puts 20 tons of c02. Let's say Cameron puts out.....100 tons of c02. If he went from 100 tons in 2009 (again, arbitrary year for the sake of argument) to 90 tons in 2010, he is living with less.

True or false?
 
"The re-election of President George W. Bush in 2004 caused James Cameron to revoke his application for U.S. citizenship,"



So this guy who revoked his application to become an American citizen wishes to influence public policy in America?

Happens all the time from all sides of the political spectrum and this should not be surprising.
 
That's probably true. But that still doesn't change the fact that you have no verifiable facts to say that he hasn't reduced his carbon footprint.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to use arbitrary numbers in the following example, honestly, I have no idea what the average "carbon footprint" is. Let's say the average family out puts 20 tons of c02. Let's say Cameron puts out.....100 tons of c02. If he went from 100 tons in 2009 (again, arbitrary year for the sake of argument) to 90 tons in 2010, he is living with less.

True or false?

Oh yeah that's true. The level of such sacrifice is bringing me to tears!

That much money. There is NO sacrifice.
 
Happens all the time from all sides of the political spectrum and this should not be surprising.


A person who willingly rejected becoming an American, is telling Americans to sacrifice and to change the way we live in America?


:rolleyes


Not to mention living a king's life because of American opportunity.
 
Oh yeah that's true. The level of such sacrifice is bringing me to tears!

That much money. There is NO sacrifice.

But he would be living with less, therefore not a hypocrite. You don't believe it's a sacrifice, that's fine. But that's YOUR value judgment, not an objective assessment.
 
“It’s time to come clean. [When] I was going to college in Orange County, California all my friends were street racers. I just wanted the biggest, nastiest, gas-guzzling, high-performance engine I could get my hands on. Even though I was very concerned about pollution, energy was not really on my radar yet.”.........


“So how much are we willing to condemn future generations to abject misery? (That’s) really the question we’ve got to ask ourselves when we’re driving around in our car.”

Quick witted and matter-of-fact, Cameron isn’t dogmatic — he’s asked himself the same question. His Ford GT was so loud colleagues thought an earthquake was underway when he pulled into his parking space."
 
But he would be living with less, therefore not a hypocrite. You don't believe it's a sacrifice, that's fine. But that's YOUR value judgment, not an objective assessment.

The Canadian will not lose his job.
Some Americans will.

That's not even close to anything less for Cameron. It's undetectable for Cameron.
 
It's fact.

Cameron will not feel it one iota.

Not one.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact?r=75
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.

It's actually not a fact, and it has nothing to do with whether or not James Cameron is a hypocrite.

Since you seem to be incapable of producing a cogent argument, I think we're done here.
 
Fact | Define Fact at Dictionary.com
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.

It's actually not a fact, and it has nothing to do with whether or not James Cameron is a hypocrite.

Since you seem to be incapable of producing a cogent argument, I think we're done here.


Cameron will not suffer at all from his demands the rest of us do with less.

You will find few who will disagree with that financial factual reality.
The man has a money well that will pour forth millions for the rest ofhis life.

Sadly the rest of us do not.


Trying to turn this into a sementics debate isn't going to well for you.

He is a hyprocrite and I have shown this by his own words several times now.


We are done, your own eyes cannot see the reality of this guys BS.
 
Cameron will not suffer at all from his demands the rest of us do with less.

You will find few who will disagree with that financial factual reality.
The man has a money well that will pour forth millions for the rest ofhis life.

Sadly the rest of us do not.


Trying to turn this into a sementics debate isn't going to well for you.

He is a hyprocrite and I have shown this by his own words several times now.


We are done, your own eyes cannot see the reality of this guys BS.

I'm a social scientist. I am interested in objectivity and rationality. Neither of which you have displayed. You haven't proven ANYTHING. Literally. Nothing.

This is not a debate on semantics. Something cannot be said to be a fact if it has not happened.

Until you can prove that Cameron has not reduced his energy usage, you cannot prove him to be a hypocrite. You can call him a hypocrite all you like. Knock yourself out. But you should not be under the impression that you've proven anything. Because you have no facts.
 
I'm a social scientist. I am interested in objectivity and rationality. Neither of which you have displayed. You haven't proven ANYTHING. Literally. Nothing.

This is not a debate on semantics. Something cannot be said to be a fact if it has not happened.

Until you can prove that Cameron has not reduced his energy usage, you cannot prove him to be a hypocrite. You can call him a hypocrite all you like. Knock yourself out. But you should not be under the impression that you've proven anything. Because you have no facts.

Nobody has to prove jack about his energy bill, your digging in on silly crap now.

According to your ridiculous assertion he reduces his energy bill one dollar he isn't a hypocrite? Drives a hybrid once a year and he is safe to tell the rest of us how to live? :lol

The Ford GT is a great example. Oh we must drive cars that are good for he environment...... BROOOOOOOMM!!!! :lol

You say that isn't a hypocrite?


That happened. That's fact. That is a hypocrite!
Says one thing for the rest of us to do, he does another.


Good luck defending Cameron on this. Your gonna need it.
 
This is not a debate on semantics. Something cannot be said to be a fact if it has not happened.

This is entirely predicated on semantics. Even Cameron's position is based on semantics, so why shouldn't the hypocrisy found in that logic be any different?

Why must everything be absolutely quantified? Why can't it exist on a level of a logical progression of thought...

-He thinks we are hurting the environment by our own actions as average individuals
-He uses vastly more resources than the average individual
.:He should therefore believe that he is hurting the environment

-The lifestyle and means of an average person are more than sufficient to sustain people (He is a person)
-The lifestyle of the average person is significantly less polluting than his current one
.:He should therefore believe, that if he lived the lifestyle of an average person, he would pollute the earth less

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.::If rational, he would see that living at or near the level of an average person would not only be more than sufficient for his survival, but allow him to have a positive effect on the environment.

HOWEVER, He believes we should seriously look at what we are currently doing in our lives to change what we can, yet doesn't make the aforementioned change, which he is fully capable of making in order to have the positive effect he seeks, he must therefore be a hypocrite.

The full proof would be REALLY long, and I'm very tired, so I trimmed it down to it's main parts. This has always been a debate of logic. Quantifiable data is useless, because it is subject to opinion, interpretation, and biases about "what is enough" in terms of reducing his impact. (Is 3 tons of CO2 reduction enough? Who knows!) A logical proof IS the closest thing you will get to data in this, but through it you can use his own stance against him, which is the very nature of hypocrisy.

With that, I'm done. Peace out, homies.

-Nick
 
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