It's beyond obvious. He advocates strongly that we the masses must sacrifice and get by with less. When his own lifestyle is one of extreme consumption.
James Cameron - Hypocrite
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It's beyond obvious. He advocates strongly that we the masses must sacrifice and get by with less. When his own lifestyle is one of extreme consumption.
jlee562
Sr Member
And you know this because....?
How do you know what Cameron has or has not done? That's the point.
Whatever, I've said my piece, and clearly we are getting nowhere. Just don't be under the impression that you've made a rational, provable argument here, because you haven't.
I certainly have. I am astonished you cannot see it when the video shows the massive possessions and extravagant lifestyle he enjoys.
The proof is again, beyond obvious.
He of course does not want all of us to live like that.
Bad for the planet.
Entertainment Weekly asks about criticism of his film:''Avatar' is the perfect eco-terrorism recruiting tool.'
James Cameron Response: 'Good, good. I like that one. I consider that a positive review. I believe in ecoterrorism.'
Commander Max
Sr Member
I would take Cameron seriously, if he was talking about movies. But environmental issues? A guy who works in the fantasy factory telling us how to live.
Does anybody else find this odd?
Does anybody else find this odd?
Alan Cross
Sr Member
"Does anyone else find this odd?" Well, yes, you've posted to a thread where a bunch of people think a rich man telling them to be environmentally aware and "live with less" is a terrible thing. Because from appearances, HE doesn't do it. So why should WE? I believe that's the logic.
Carpetbagger: Say, you´re an lndian, aren´t you?
You speak any English?
Lone Watie: (nods)
Carpetbagger: Well, sir, this is the
very best thing...
...for those who can´t handle
their liquor.
Lone Watie:What´s in it?
Carpetbagger: I don´t know. Various things.
I´m only the salesman.
Lone Watie: You drink it.
You speak any English?
Lone Watie: (nods)
Carpetbagger: Well, sir, this is the
very best thing...
...for those who can´t handle
their liquor.
Lone Watie:What´s in it?
Carpetbagger: I don´t know. Various things.
I´m only the salesman.
Lone Watie: You drink it.
Commander Max
Sr Member
That wasn't what I was saying.
If you note I pointed out where he works. And based on that, you are just as qualified to talk about environmental issues as he. Hence why should anyone take him seriously, since his job is to make stuff up and tell people how to act like other people.
His wealth has nothing to do with it, he earned it's his to do what he want's.
jlee562
Sr Member
I am astonished that you cannot simply name a specific set of circumstances in which he can be labeled a hypocrite and when he cannot. Since you cannot define what makes him a hypocrite beyond a simple rhetorical flourish, you have no made a rational argument. In order to do so, you would have to prove this empirically, which is the point you continually miss. All you have to offer is trite phrases such as "he doesn't walk the walk." But HOW DO YOU KNOW? As I said earlier, simply because he has a large house, you don't know that he hasn't taken steps to reduce his energy usage.
If you're going to insist this conversation continue, it would be really nice if you could answer exactly how you know for sure what Cameron has or has not done in his home.
As I said, I am not defending Cameron. I'm simply not going to pass judgment without evidence. And the "evidence" presented here does not a cogent argument make.
The simple fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter how many Energy Star appliances he has, how many zones he's sectioned his home's heating/cooling into, or how many CFLs he has, a house of that size will use MORE energy than a house just large enough to sustain his family. He advocates living with less, but still has a house that far exceeds his needs.
That doesn't even begin to address the fleet of vehicles he has, when you only need 1 vehicle per person in your household tops! But if we're going to live with less, like he suggests, perhaps he should be carpooling instead.
It's an argument of scale. With a 3000 square foot house, I could reasonably bring the energy needs of it down to a point where it would be comparable to a 1500 square foot home. I could give him credit for if that was his situation, but his house is so large that unless he has a nuclear plant hidden somewhere in it, that it almost invariably has to use more energy and pollute more than a house that is just big enough to accommodate him.
Full disclosure: I've worked as a solar installation sales person and system designer, so I tend to be decent at stacking a house's energy needs up by looks.
-Nick
pennausamike
Sr Member
His wealth has everything to do with it.
James Cameron just spent a million dollars to tell OTHER people how to live,
while he continues to use resources "excessively".
As some one else noted,
no matter how much he has spent on mercury filled energy saver light bulbs, insulation, and efficient appliances;
he is still calling for others to sacrifice
while he uses ten times or more the energy requirements of an average household.
No one begrudges Jim Cameron the fruits of his labors.
But he is a hypocrite to begrudge average folks the (comparatively) meager fruits of our labor.
He is spending money to deprive others of rewards he covets for himself.
Hypocrite...
Mike
Commander Max
Sr Member
Case in point, I said he earned his money he can do what he want's with it. If he want's to look like a jerk with his money, that's his business.
A jerk is a jerk, no matter how much money he has. It's only a matter of scale.
I wouldn't take any of these Hollywood types seriously, all he is saying is hype, BS, marketing nonsense, etc.
What I want to know(this has been my point all along), what makes him so great that he can tell us what to do. He comes across as a hypocritical elitist snob, who thinks we are all stupid.
What we should all do is point and laugh at the guy saying, "You want us to do what? Yea, you first".
fuelish
Sr Member
Is this the same John P. Costella PHD that claims the Zabruder film was altered? Because that would be funny.
pennausamike
Sr Member
Despite any disagreement over nuance,
I totally agree with these two statements.
Mike
jlee562
Sr Member
But that's your argument, not his. For him to be a hypocrite, he would have to be contradicting himself. I don't recall any environmentalist telling wealthy people to abandon their large domiciles for single family units. If he is living with less than he did say, a year ago (arbitrary date, for the purpose of argument only), he's using less, is he not? And if he's using less, he's not being hypocritical. Relativist? Sure, you bet it is. But that doesn't make it untrue.
I think opponents of climate change, and those attacking Cameron in this thread are really exaggerating the rhetoric of climate activists (or whatever you want to call them). Nobody is asking for every single person in the world to go all Ed Begley Jr.
It's beyond obvious in one picture of his huge mansionS. :lol
MANSIONS.
A multimillionaire who lives so large it is beyond most of our imaginings is telling the rest of us millions of working slobs to sacrifice! :lol
Hypocrite!
Oh, it's ok, my kitchen staff's toasters are energy efficient and we have a solar panel on the yacht.
He can go climb a tree.
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That's making things FAR too specific though. It all boils down to this: He wants people to care about the environment, but his lifestyle is not conducive to such a position itself. Then he asks that everyone else make sacrifices in their lives in order to be more environmentally friendly, and yet he seemingly makes none. And don't tell me CFLs over Inkies or not always running the AC are sacrifices. At most I'd call them compromises, not even rising to the level of a concession.
He contradicts the very spirit of his message through his lifestyle. If he lived in a yurt using only wind power and a composting toilet, (A tad extreme for the sake of fun) I think people would actually laud him for being consistent in his message...even if they disagreed with it.
-Nick
jlee562
Sr Member
You don't know and can't produce anything to say that Cameron has not reduced his energy usage, or, as much as y'all hate the phrase, reduced his carbon footprint.
This is going nowhere. Clearly you cannot compose a cogent argument.
Next.
Fact or not....
The carbon footprint of his lifestyle is vastly larger then any average familys?
True or false?
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