I'm taking anything anyone says with a grain of salt. IGN's too far in bed with the game industry sadly to really be clearheaded about it but i hope they're right. Unless it comes from the mouth of Microsoft, and someone up high not some hack, nothing is true other than they're way too quiet preparing for a crap storm. No backwards compatibility might hurt them like it did the PS3 early on though.
Interesting article on new xbox
- Thread starter Wes R
- Start date
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
Looks like I wont be upgrading from my PS3 for a long time.
I wish that guy luck finding another job in the industry after getting in trouble for this. I have a feeling he resigned with a small severance package instead of forcing them to fire him. My next system is another 360 and a wiiu. It's so simple not much can go wrong. I'll be seeing these other systems in 2016 when the bugs are out.
Anyone see this? I bet MS leaked this to cover their butts. http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/
Anyone see this? I bet MS leaked this to cover their butts. http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/
Jedi2016
Sr Member
Hm.. that actually makes a lot more sense. Still probably won't be getting one, but that idea is slightly less ludicrous than what we've heard to date. And they're addressing the backwards-compatibility issue in a pretty creative way. Aside from simply keeping your old Xbox, of course..
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
If that's the route they're taking I feel a lot better about the next generation. I was getting pretty damned close to just not buying a console at all for the next generation. I'm certainly not going to buy at 720 or whatever it ends up being called before Halo 5 comes out.
I still think they're letting the rumors swirl so they look like heroes by claiming they listened to gamers. It's like Bioware listening to gamers when it came to the ME3 extended cut, it makes no sense not to nip the rumors in the bud before they get out of hand otherwise.
Dear Microsoft: Giving the next Xbox an always-online requirement might be suicidal
There is a growing amount of people ready to write off the 720 already it seems. Even industry insiders think this could be suicide.
There is a growing amount of people ready to write off the 720 already it seems. Even industry insiders think this could be suicide.
I totally agree. I primarily play PC games, but play 360 and Wii games with my niece and nephew. I know they won't be upgrading if the always on thing is on the 720. Their consoles are quite a ways away from the modem/router and wifi to that room is iffy at best.
I think Microsoft needs to look at what happened to Ubisoft's PC sales after they came up with the brilliant always on DRM. It tanked and now they are pleading for forgiveness. It's just a dumb idea and an attempt for Microsoft to play Big Brother and control what you're doing.
I think Microsoft needs to look at what happened to Ubisoft's PC sales after they came up with the brilliant always on DRM. It tanked and now they are pleading for forgiveness. It's just a dumb idea and an attempt for Microsoft to play Big Brother and control what you're doing.
It just doesn't make any sense. It limits your ability to sell as many units as you can. It would be like having cars made with tires that can only drive in completely dry conditions. You're extremely limiting your car sales.
MooMooEgg
Sr Member
I'm very against this whole online all the time thing. When I played Dark Souls, I had to disable my internet connection because I was tired of people invading my world and killing me every few minutes. I just wanted to play the game by myself and had no interest in playing against/with people online.
If I couldn't disconnect, I probably would have stopped playing the game... so if 720 game developers have permanent online features like this and don't offer an option to disable them, I'm going to be very pissed off.
If I couldn't disconnect, I probably would have stopped playing the game... so if 720 game developers have permanent online features like this and don't offer an option to disable them, I'm going to be very pissed off.
Well the site i had this one had guys with opposing views. The guy who said casual gamers won't care figures they're the ones that MS will target. I'm horrified how many people blindly accept DRM with steam these days. Maybe it's that generation gap but if i pay for something i don't want to have to have permission to play it. The game companies themselves aren't happy either as this is more work for them, that dude that got fired for saying "deal with it" was also aiming that comment at several game company reps.
Scareb
Sr Member
I'm skeptical about the whole always online thing but at the same time, companies won't learn. When Ubisoft or whoever it was made it required for all their games, it wasn't very long before they changed their tune. They did the same thing with Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 but you could still play offline if you chose (I did but only because we didn't have wifi installed in the shacks on base, all I lost was achievements). Then of course there was the debacle with Simcity.
That being said, stranger things have happened. I can see why they would do it though. Microsoft and Sony make no real money off of console sales and actually end up losing it with what the consoles cost. They make all their money from game sales, hence the always online crap.
I'm hoping what I read in that one article is true. How the actual game console itself will be able to play games without a constant Internet connection and how the mini is the system that requires the Internet connection.
Ultimately I don't believe anything that is said online until MS makes an official announcement. They could go ahead with all the stuff they have planned and dig the grave for the Xbox, or it could all be hogwash and the system could go on to do really well. Who knows.
You really can't take a single thing about the 720 as anything other than speculation and rumour. It doesn't help that MS has remained incredibly tight lipped about the system.
That being said, stranger things have happened. I can see why they would do it though. Microsoft and Sony make no real money off of console sales and actually end up losing it with what the consoles cost. They make all their money from game sales, hence the always online crap.
I'm hoping what I read in that one article is true. How the actual game console itself will be able to play games without a constant Internet connection and how the mini is the system that requires the Internet connection.
Ultimately I don't believe anything that is said online until MS makes an official announcement. They could go ahead with all the stuff they have planned and dig the grave for the Xbox, or it could all be hogwash and the system could go on to do really well. Who knows.
You really can't take a single thing about the 720 as anything other than speculation and rumour. It doesn't help that MS has remained incredibly tight lipped about the system.
At least Steam has an offline mode. I just turned off my WiFi and clicked "PLAY" on Portal and The Dig and all I got was a tiny warning in Portal saying that my cloud setting may be different. The Dig didn't even flinch.
Solo4114
Master Member
Steam is different. Steam is an online service. It didn't start that way, but Valve has basically moved itself as an online content provider. If you're buying a Steam game, you know that it'll need Steam to play.
The console market is different. People are used to being able to fire up a disc without wondering if their console is online. Obviously, you don't buy a primarily online-based game (e.g. BF3) to play offline, but other games? I mean, why would you expect to be required to be online to play Mass Effect 1 or Assassin's Creed 4 or whatever?
I think the consoles would take a hit because the internet infrastructure isn't QUITE where folks in Redmond, WA think it is nationally and internationally.
Will people accept it as how you use advanced features of games? Sure! But will they put up with games that can only be played if the console is online? No. Definitely not. Not everyone has the best connections. Some people have crappy connections just because of how their houses are laid out (e.g. wifi doesn't work so well due to brick walls and such). For folks like that, losing your gaming session because your console dropped its connection will be unacceptable.
Also, Steam is a PC platform, which is generally a more tech-savvy set of users. The console market is far broader and more diverse in terms of tech savvy.
The console market is different. People are used to being able to fire up a disc without wondering if their console is online. Obviously, you don't buy a primarily online-based game (e.g. BF3) to play offline, but other games? I mean, why would you expect to be required to be online to play Mass Effect 1 or Assassin's Creed 4 or whatever?
I think the consoles would take a hit because the internet infrastructure isn't QUITE where folks in Redmond, WA think it is nationally and internationally.
Will people accept it as how you use advanced features of games? Sure! But will they put up with games that can only be played if the console is online? No. Definitely not. Not everyone has the best connections. Some people have crappy connections just because of how their houses are laid out (e.g. wifi doesn't work so well due to brick walls and such). For folks like that, losing your gaming session because your console dropped its connection will be unacceptable.
Also, Steam is a PC platform, which is generally a more tech-savvy set of users. The console market is far broader and more diverse in terms of tech savvy.
Similar threads
