Indiana Jones (Disney+ series)
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Thousands of people are involved with making these movies, and lots of plot points can get out well before the release date for those willing to look for and consume them. If the information comes from what you believe to be a reliable source and is stated as fact, then it would definitely have the effect of spoiling the plot point, future release date notwithstanding. Sorry mate, but you don't get to redefine what a spoiler is for me.
Looks like I'll have to exit Indy threads much earlier than expected. I'll be back on July 1, 2023. I sincerely hope I'll be excited and blown away by what I just saw.
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Probe Droid
Master Member
Nobody wants to see Indy die, that's crazy! What's wrong with these people! Stupid, stupid, stupid!
Liberance
Well-Known Member
I don't know how it's so difficult for people to understand that once you remove the original creators of a thing and hand it to a corporation, said thing won't work again.
As usual, to each their own and all that, but it's just common sense. But anyway...
Patrick is a friend of mine and I gave him a hand during the making of that clip. He is supremely talented, and the right person for this in the same sense that Bruce Timm was ideal to nail the look of an animated Batman in the 90s. People in some animation circles consider his design old-fashioned, derivative of Don Bluth and a bit out of touch for today's trends. I disagree. Indiana Jones is old-fashioned, and there's a sense of elegance and nobility about his adventures that only 20th-century style 2D animation would capture. If anything, it could be produced in CG with an approach similar to Arcane or Paperman so it still preserves a painterly look, but freeing the camera to mimic Spielberg's visual language better. One way or another, the look that Patrick produced is just right for it.
It would've been great to see him art directing an Indy cartoon back when Lucasfilm was still independent, under George Lucas' supervision. An animated series is indeed the one thing that hasn't been done with Indiana Jones yet and it fits the property really well. Nowadays, it doesn't really matter though. Whatever they do, it won't feel authentic. It just can't.
As usual, to each their own and all that, but it's just common sense. But anyway...
Patrick is a friend of mine and I gave him a hand during the making of that clip. He is supremely talented, and the right person for this in the same sense that Bruce Timm was ideal to nail the look of an animated Batman in the 90s. People in some animation circles consider his design old-fashioned, derivative of Don Bluth and a bit out of touch for today's trends. I disagree. Indiana Jones is old-fashioned, and there's a sense of elegance and nobility about his adventures that only 20th-century style 2D animation would capture. If anything, it could be produced in CG with an approach similar to Arcane or Paperman so it still preserves a painterly look, but freeing the camera to mimic Spielberg's visual language better. One way or another, the look that Patrick produced is just right for it.
It would've been great to see him art directing an Indy cartoon back when Lucasfilm was still independent, under George Lucas' supervision. An animated series is indeed the one thing that hasn't been done with Indiana Jones yet and it fits the property really well. Nowadays, it doesn't really matter though. Whatever they do, it won't feel authentic. It just can't.
You asked, and got your answer, and gave the impression you really wanted one, but you obviously didn't, because you didn't take it to heart.
If what you described actually does end up being the ending, how was it not spoiled? It'll be in all our heads now, from the first frame of the movie all the way to the final scene.
I agree.
The baseline art direction is right there, and it looks great. The main character designs are (were) well underway. Designing everything else around that style simply requires talented artists to execute the work. And there's no shortage of talented artists for that stage of a project like this.
When I first saw this I thought well, as a proof of concept you can't get anything better than this. Get that clip off the internet, plan a budget for the pilot episode and start writing.
But I also have a basic understanding of how the business-end of HWood works. With an independent LFL he might have gotten a chance. Now with D-owned LFL; the chances of an outsider successfully pitching anything are slim.
But more than anything, I love that you guys produced this. Hats off!
Probe Droid
Master Member
I get your point, but look at the Mandalorian and Bobba Fett, they're great and it's the same company! But with the Star Wars stuff you have a guy like Favarro behind it who knows what he's doing. The people doing Indy seem the opposite.
Starganderfish
Well-Known Member
There’s this really weird dichotomy with the entertainment industry where studios and high level execs are too scared to try stuff that’s new and original so they’re all about reboots or franchises. But then they hire so-called “creatives” and “screen writers” who are just desperate to try and make a name for themselves and “put their own spin” on stuff. Throw in the societal culture war complexities where every single decision is picked over by angry activist types.
We end up with studios banking on reviving old properties and then the folks on the ground doing their utmost to remake them into something completely different. In the end, no-one really wins, least of all the fans.
For a tv series, Disney simply aren’t going to spend money on location shooting and mobile crews and sets. They’d much rather do it all on a single stage and just digitally insert … damn near everything. That can work for fantasy/sci-fi settings were you expect things to be slightly “other worldly” but I’m not sure they’ll be able to pulll it off well for historical locations.
In the end, the magic 8-ball is saying “Outlook not so good”. The win/loss ratio for Hollywood reboots and retreads does not bode well.
We end up with studios banking on reviving old properties and then the folks on the ground doing their utmost to remake them into something completely different. In the end, no-one really wins, least of all the fans.
Sadly, this isn’t going to happen. Disney is ALL about the digital green screen tech. It’s what they’ve used heavily in multiple Marvel movies and shows and most of the new Star Wars stuff as well AFAIK.
For a tv series, Disney simply aren’t going to spend money on location shooting and mobile crews and sets. They’d much rather do it all on a single stage and just digitally insert … damn near everything. That can work for fantasy/sci-fi settings were you expect things to be slightly “other worldly” but I’m not sure they’ll be able to pulll it off well for historical locations.
In the end, the magic 8-ball is saying “Outlook not so good”. The win/loss ratio for Hollywood reboots and retreads does not bode well.
Nth
Sr Member
The movie was delayed an entire year for Disney to re-shoot new endings to test. They haven’t tested well either. An Indiana Jones movie flopping pretty much guarantees Kathleen Kennedy will be sent on her way.
All the leaks are said to be coming directly from people working on the project who are disgruntled they have to take part in the demise of yet another cinematic icon, like what happened with Luke Skywalker. KK really racking up a body count for beloved heroes.
Lightning
Master Member
they let Andor shoot on real sets.
You've not seen Andor then..
Real Brutalist architecture and sweeping vistas from all corners of the UK.
I'm guessing this movie was designed to kill & replace Indy with PWB. But now the test screenings & other reactions have been a consistent disaster, so they started re-shooting & struggling to tack other endings onto the movie. It's not working because the project is too built around the original design.
Imagine being George Lucas, getting a rough cut of 'Return of the Jedi' together in late 1982, and then the test-screenings say "No, Luke Skywalker should die and the Emperor should win." That problem goofs up the whole movie. You can't just reshoot the last few minutes and expect that patchwork to be a decent product.
Imagine being George Lucas, getting a rough cut of 'Return of the Jedi' together in late 1982, and then the test-screenings say "No, Luke Skywalker should die and the Emperor should win." That problem goofs up the whole movie. You can't just reshoot the last few minutes and expect that patchwork to be a decent product.
robstyle
Master Member
There was to be other projects that would utilize those sets, then a combination of 2020 and infighting at LFL and the house of mouse that halted further productions both film and TV related. I believe Andor had timing under its belt as the initial investment was too far in motion to cancel or pull back when the walls in front of the fan turned brown.
It's also worth mentioning the original idea for the first POTC sequel was film it heavily cgi green screen such as was done with the SW prequels. The idea was to greatly reduce the cost and time investment. It's one of the rare instances at Disney where those outside of the corporate room were consulted on a project with the outcome being a success al around. But that's a whole other book of history. That was also NOT Disney LFL, that was Disney.
Disney LFL needs new leadership and direction to keep it from permanent damage and destruction. Currently it has no problem alienating and disowning its legacy fans and core audience. Just a strange bizzaro world were living in. Personally I have no hope for anything Indy related. It's going to take a lot more than one series like Andor to change my outlook on Disney LFL.
Pretty much. KK is about 5 years overdue for being replaced.
'Star Wars' is so damaged that they need to change their whole outlook on it. There is a huge mismatch between the franchise's commercial activity versus the public's opinion about it. It's rapidly heading for zombie franchise status (like 'The Simpsons'). It keeps churning out content & bringing in some money, but it's purely coasting on legacy. The public has written it off as creatively dead. It's fat Elvis in 1975 doing Las Vegas shows.
Master Boda
Sr Member
Alas that could be a echo around the planet right now.
Master Boda
Sr Member
Leave Dr. Jones alone and with dignity unlike what is going on with other franchis’s.
They would make more money off a really well made Indiana Jones game franchise.
modelcitizen
Sr Member
"test audiences" lol this aint 1949
i seem to have read this brand of 4chan rumor crap stated as fact before not too long ago....kennedy was a major target then too hmm
as someone said then...sounds like TMZ is reporting it....
i'm with the person who said rumors are not spoilers
i seem to have read this brand of 4chan rumor crap stated as fact before not too long ago....kennedy was a major target then too hmm
as someone said then...sounds like TMZ is reporting it....
i'm with the person who said rumors are not spoilers
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