Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[JediMichael]

Over all I enjoyed it. It felt like an Indy movie enough for me.
Last Crusade has the best ending of riding off into the sunset, which is just hard to beat.
The one thing that was a annoying and was the theateda fault and not the movie, was once the trailers start, the lights dim a little, and then normally, once the actual film starts, they are suppose to dim almost all the way. These only dimmed the first time. During bright scenes, it was ok, but any dark scenes and was very noticeable.
I took this straight above me during the opening train part.

 

[joberg]

The main character of the movie is named & famed for her white skin. Her co-stars are an assortment of human little people. The wicked witch hates her for being more physically beautiful than her. She gets saved when a rando prince comes along and necro-kisses her body.

That movie is not remake-able for Disney in 2023. They would need to change too much of it for PC reasons. They should have accepted the obvious and saved themselves half a billion dollars.


But then again, what's the difference? Take away all those PC issues and Disney would still probably find a way to screw up this remake. (The Star Wars sequels were almost a total blank slate when they bought LFL.) They just don't seem capable of doing a movie well these days, period.

She was in a coma...not dead

 

[blewis17]

She was in a coma...not dead

Walt Disney's take on Snow White tells the story of a teenage girl whose (now deceased) father had married a villainess (ala Cinderella). Snow White is treated poorly by The Evil Stepmother/Queen. Snow White longs for "true love." The Evil Stepmother/Queen's vanity leads her to attempt to murder Snow White, who is only saved by the last minute change of heart in her assassin. Fleeing into the woods, Snow White meets and befriends The 7 Dwarves. She treats them with motherly kindness and looks after them. The Evil Stepmother/Queen deceives and poisons Snow White, which places her into a death like coma. The 7 Dwarves, having dispatched of the Evil Stepmother/Queen, then mourn Snow White's apparent death. Only "true love's kiss" (ala Sleeping Beauty) by the handsome prince awakens her. This is a simple story with a Happily Ever After... a straightforward, entertaining story. Per Wikipedia:
In 1989, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" and selected it as one of the first 25 films for preservation in the National Film Registry.[5] The American Film Institute ranked it among the 100 greatest American films, and also named the film as the greatest American animated film of all time in 2008.

The heroine, who is not displayed as a "weakling" but is merely young, naïve, and petite in stature, does not save herself but "needs" a man to do so. And that seems to be the problem that the new film MUST CORRECT. Just look at Gal Gadot/ Rachel Zegler's GLEEFUL expression how they talk about NO MAN needs to save Snow White, Snow White DOESN'T want true love... no, she's a modern leader now!

 

[Captain Dunsel]

The four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:

1: Critical Theory (not to mix with Critical Thinking; another beast altogether!)
2: Postmodernism
3: Critical Social Justice
4: Critical Race Theory

Hang-on to your socks for the next Disney Industrial Accident: "Snow White" (Pics of the principal photography):
yes, those are the "small people" Remember that Peter Dinklage protested Disney's decision to use small people for the
movie! At the time, small people actors were against him since his comments were mainly personal and making these actors afraid of not getting a job in movies/T.V. series. Well, we see the results now!!

Holy hilarity.

This guy looks a 21st century dude in Portland.

 

[Moviefreak]

Walt Disney's take on Snow White tells the story of a teenage girl whose (now deceased) father had married a villainess (ala Cinderella). Snow White is treated poorly by The Evil Stepmother/Queen. Snow White longs for "true love." The Evil Stepmother/Queen's vanity leads her to attempt to murder Snow White, who is only saved by the last minute change of heart in her assassin. Fleeing into the woods, Snow White meets and befriends The 7 Dwarves. She treats them with motherly kindness and looks after them. The Evil Stepmother/Queen deceives and poisons Snow White, which places her into a death like coma. The 7 Dwarves, having dispatched of the Evil Stepmother/Queen), then mourn Snow White's apparent death. Only "true love's kiss" (ala Sleeping Beauty) by the handsome prince awakens her. This is a simple story with a Happily Ever After. that is the simple, straightforward, entertaining story. Per Wikipedia:
In 1989, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" and selected it as one of the first 25 films for preservation in the National Film Registry.[5] The American Film Institute ranked it among the 100 greatest American films, and also named the film as the greatest American animated film of all time in 2008.

The heroine, who is not displayed as a "weakling" but is merely young, naïve, and petite in stature, does not save herself but "needs" a man to do so. And that seems to be the problem that the new film MUST CORRECT. Just look at Gal Gadot/ Rachel Zegler's GLEEFUL expression how they talk about NO MAN needs to save Snow White, Snow White DOESN'T want true love... no, she's a modern leader now!

The funny thing people tend to forget when slamming Disney for these stories, is that they existed before Disney told them. Disney made some changes to them, but Disney didn’t come up with the gist, just to make women seem weak.

 

[batguy]

The funny thing people tend to forget when slamming Disney for these stories, is that they existed before Disney told them. Disney made some changes to them, but Disney didn’t come up with the gist, just to make women seem weak.

Debatable IMO.

Many of their classic hits were changed pretty drastically from the source material. The original authors would probably have been furious.

That's how storytelling normally worked until the last couple of centuries. Earlier writers didn't exactly lose sleep over copyrights & plagarism & intellectual property.

 

[Knightmare]

I don‘t think the bad showing at the box office has anything to do people still not wanting to go back to theaters since the pandemic.
I honestly think it’s how the people of this country have turned against “Celebrity “ in general you can just feel it . IMO you are seeing Hollywood / Celebrity in its final chapter it will never be like it was . It’s really a terrible shame . We should just feel good we got to see the best films ever made . Future generations will be watching Complete Morons drive cars into trees on YouTube our trains into holes lol . The last one is actually on YouTube 98 million views ! LOL

 

[Cephus]

Obviously not, since Mission Impossible 7 just made over $200 million worldwide. That's almost all that Indy is going to make in its total run. It isn't the pandemic. It's crappy movies.

 

[batguy]

The Indy franchise was already a 85% dead before this movie. Disney just lost all their common sense and got their expectations up. The 4th movie killed the public's appetite for more movies with the original cast/crew + these days Harrison Ford is literally 20 years older than Sean Connery was in 1989.

IIRC when Disney had Lucasfilm's value appraised (for the sale in 2012) they didn't even add a value for Indy into the total. Star Wars was the big-ticket item in the shopping cart.



Indy still has some value in the sense that it could be revived (either a continuation or a re-cast) with some skill and luck. But any revival would sink or swim based on the strengths of the new people working on it. The franchise name is not a seller on its own in the 2020s.

Same with 'Star Wars'.

And 'Gilligan's Island.'

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

 

[JediMichael]

I'll just say ****SPOLIERS*** as I haven't ever figured out how to make the button.



This was probably already talked about in these pages since release, but, after now thinking about everything since watching it last night, one thing I was thinking about, is Indy is now separated from his wife because of a bad choice their son made, now dead, but through the course of events in the movie, he gets back with his wife.....which sounds JUST LIKE HAN in Episode 7 in a way. Ben didn't die until part 9, and Han did die.....of course Indy almost dies and wants to be left there in the past. Not exactly the same, but very close story wise.
I'm like, really, come on Disney, that makes the characters WAY to similar.

 

[Knightmare]

Obviously not, since Mission Impossible 7 just made over $200 million worldwide. That's almost all that Indy is going to make in its total run. It isn't the pandemic. It's crappy movies.

And the budget was what 300 million lol . From what studios admit you have two make more then double the movies Budget to break even . And you are taking the one go to guy in whats left of HW . Steven Spielberg said to Tom cruise at an award show live “You might have saved HW / movie industry” With Top Gun . Or something close to that . Think he would be a pretty good gauge of the future the film industry . Indy‘s budget was 300 million .

 

[Cephus]

And the budget was what 300 million lol . From what studios admit you have two make more then double the movies Budget to break even . And you are taking the one go to guy in whats left of HW . Steven Spielberg said to Tom cruise at an award show live “You might have saved HW / movie industry” With Top Gun . Or something close to that . Think he would be a pretty good gauge of the future the film industry . Indy‘s budget was 300 million .

Mission Impossible 7 made $235 million opening and Indy 5 made $94 million opening. There's kind of a difference.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Mission Impossible 7 made $235 million opening and Indy 5 made $94 million opening. There's kind of a difference.

The important thing will be if Mission: Impossible has “legs” to keep making money, beyond the opening weekend. It definitely has positive “word of mouth” so it’s possible.

With Oppenheimer coming around the corner, it will be interesting to see how it continues to perform.

 

[Solo4114]

Perhaps theater fatigue is a bigger contributor than people want to admit. It seems no movie is doing extremely well at the moment.

“The Mission: Impossible 7 box office has fallen far short of the original $90 million domestic projections for its opening weekend. Its current projections land it at a three-day total of $54.2 million and a five-day of $78 million, falling behind the total of the lukewarm Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.”

I don‘t think the bad showing at the box office has anything to do people still not wanting to go back to theaters since the pandemic.
I honestly think it’s how the people of this country have turned against “Celebrity “ in general you can just feel it . IMO you are seeing Hollywood / Celebrity in its final chapter it will never be like it was . It’s really a terrible shame . We should just feel good we got to see the best films ever made . Future generations will be watching Complete Morons drive cars into trees on YouTube our trains into holes lol . The last one is actually on YouTube 98 million views ! LOL

Mission Impossible 7 made $235 million opening and Indy 5 made $94 million opening. There's kind of a difference.

A few observations re: these data points.

1. I think that it's not exactly "theater fatigue," although high prices for the theater experience (and said experience not being quite worth it) are a factor (but not the decisive one.)

2. I think it's much more likely that audience interest in these franchises is waning somewhat. All manner of franchises are getting long in the tooth, and yet the studios keep going back to the well for more of the same.

3. The MI franchise has done a far better job of remaining a relevant "brand" over the years than the Indy series has. The Indy films are, fundamentally, products of the late-70s/80s era of filmmaking. Crystal Skull and Dial are more like one-offs after the fact. The moviegoing public is peopled more with people who were (a) born after these films were released, and (b) uninterested in watching anything older than whatever was in the cultural zeitgeist when they were kids. End result: there's no connection with Indy.

4. The MI franchise has always been a big hit overseas, which is probably going to save the film's box office receipts. Indy's well regarded, but again, an extremely old brand with an extremely old lead and just isn't the draw today that it was in the old days.

I don't think it's got a ton to do with "It's a good movie" or "it's a bad movie," nor do I think it's "It's from a bad studio that does bad things that I think are bad." Most audience members probably aren't paying close attention to reviews pre-release, unless the universal sentiment is "This movie sucks and you shouldn't see it." They're far more influenced by marketing campaigns than critics.

 

[Halliwax]

Was just looking at times for the closest theater to me. There down to only 3 showings a day and last one at 7:30pm.
Another pretty close theater has more on 3 screens, but I have a feeling by next week, that will dramatically drop.
Just looked at the 10:30 showing. Only 4 seats sold....it really is sad.
Maybe I'll just go to hurry up and get it out of the way.
I don't have anyone to even go with.

I’m trying to go tomorrow.. 9:30 for me though..

 

[joberg]

Walt Disney's take on Snow White tells the story of a teenage girl whose (now deceased) father had married a villainess (ala Cinderella). Snow White is treated poorly by The Evil Stepmother/Queen. Snow White longs for "true love." The Evil Stepmother/Queen's vanity leads her to attempt to murder Snow White, who is only saved by the last minute change of heart in her assassin. Fleeing into the woods, Snow White meets and befriends The 7 Dwarves. She treats them with motherly kindness and looks after them. The Evil Stepmother/Queen deceives and poisons Snow White, which places her into a death like coma. The 7 Dwarves, having dispatched of the Evil Stepmother/Queen, then mourn Snow White's apparent death. Only "true love's kiss" (ala Sleeping Beauty) by the handsome prince awakens her. This is a simple story with a Happily Ever After... a straightforward, entertaining story. Per Wikipedia:
In 1989, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" and selected it as one of the first 25 films for preservation in the National Film Registry.[5] The American Film Institute ranked it among the 100 greatest American films, and also named the film as the greatest American animated film of all time in 2008.

The heroine, who is not displayed as a "weakling" but is merely young, naïve, and petite in stature, does not save herself but "needs" a man to do so. And that seems to be the problem that the new film MUST CORRECT. Just look at Gal Gadot/ Rachel Zegler's GLEEFUL expression how they talk about NO MAN needs to save Snow White, Snow White DOESN'T want true love... no, she's a modern leader now!

But they want their Prince Charming and the white wedding dress and everything that comes with that "Patriarchal" trope

 

[joberg]

The funny thing people tend to forget when slamming Disney for these stories, is that they existed before Disney told them. Disney made some changes to them, but Disney didn’t come up with the gist, just to make women seem weak.

Why would "True Love" makes a woman weak? Or a man for that matter? I don't think that finding the right mate partner and loving him/her is weakness. Life is short; the least you could ask in yours is an understanding, loving, patient partner to help you in those hours of need/stress or else that our life is throwing at us. We, men/women, are each other's complement...we tend to forget it

 

[JediMichael]

I’m trying to go tomorrow.. 9:30 for me though..

Let us know your thoughts.

 

[Cephus]

But they want their Prince Charming and the white wedding dress and everything that comes with that "Patriarchal" trope

We can see the fail coming a mile off. Why can't Disney?

 

[Knightmare]

Mission Impossible 7 made $235 million opening and Indy 5 made $94 million opening. There's kind of a difference.

Right and ? lol