Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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That's how I imagine it. Something along those lines.
Disney's going to leave the door open for future Indys (with a de-aged Ford).
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robstyle
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Interesting choice as that's exactly the first thing I thought with the live action and cgi mesh going on. People raved about the cgi work on Fury Road as the general audience didn't comprehend how much cgi they were actually seeing. Damn near entire environmental replacement. But the final edit of Fury Road retained at least some grounded feel of the camera motion.
In this Indy trailer, that's a lot of practical stunts, set pieces and locations but the cgi environment alterations and camera steadiness and what appears to be unrealistic movements pull me out of it. Prior I stated I don't feel this movie will be great but will look great and feel like an Indiana Jones movie. I do hope this is a simple teaser trailer in generic teaser trailer fashion of toss things in and hit random edit.
It would be a shame to use practical locations and real stunts and practical effects then cgi them over and out. Again this was done with Fury Road but the environment replacement made it work.
As far as the trailer, actually shocked they showed so much younger Indy. A couple shots looked pulled from prior films. Indy in the German uniform in the chair looks like it's pulled from Last Crusade down to the fireplace in the background, Indy in the train has a Raiders face look as if I've seen that exact face before, Indy in the sidecar looks like what it is. Indy on the horse during the NY/Glasgow parade was a stunt double which looked amazing from both the side and back but head on didn't really look like Ford. That was done while Ford was "injured" but he was back in time to film the chase seen early in the trailer. I forget of that's supposed to be set in Monoco or not.
A combination of...
a close up from production and that we know from other stills that Indy parachutes from a plane into an ancient Roman battle.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
OMG that looks even dumber than the last movie.
There was an underground tunnel chase in the 4th 'Fast & Furious' movie like that. They filmed real cars & crashes (in an open warehouse) and then they CGI'd the walls of an underground tunnel around everything. The result was a very expensive practical shoot that looked like a video game in the final cut.
I think the modern cameras are part of the issue too. They are so much smaller & lighter & more disposable, and easier to CGI-erase out of the footage from other POVs. It's making the filmmakers do shots in chase/action scenes that just wouldn't have been done 20-30 years ago. Flinging cameras around, putting them on little flying or driving drones, taking the risk of crashing them into stuff all the time, making quick darting movements, etc. It all subconsciously registers in your mind as 'fake' compared to footage from 15+ years ago.
That horse/parade shot where Indy looks right at the camera (Harrison's body double + CGI face) looks terrible. It looks like it could have been a temporary patch-job for editing purposes that they never went back & finished.
And now that it's been in the trailer, I'll bet that shot shows up in the final cut unchanged. It probably would have been finished better if it had not been used in the trailer. Modern CGI-heavy movies are so frustrating like that.
Was there a law passed that every trailer of the past 10 years has to use the same template?
-Opens with piano slowing playing single notes
-Characters waxing poetic about the past
-Midway swell to the main theme, also played slowly
-Way too much shown (nothing new for trailers there)
-Title reveal followed by hard cut to one more music-less teaser scene
Nope, this isn't assembly line nostalgia bait at all
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-Opens with piano slowing playing single notes
-Characters waxing poetic about the past
-Midway swell to the main theme, also played slowly
-Way too much shown (nothing new for trailers there)
-Title reveal followed by hard cut to one more music-less teaser scene
Nope, this isn't assembly line nostalgia bait at all
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I'll see it in the theater AFTER someone I trust can confirm that:Nope, you're not getting me again with a cool trailer. We all know how it usually ends up.
Indy doesn't die or get erased from time.
Indy isn't 'replaced'.
I might accept some kind of passing of the torch IF it were done in a manner that is respectful to the character and acknowledges his greatness. I have zero experience of PW Bridge as far as I know. Never seen Fleabag, but what I've heard hasn't been inspiring. If there is ONE positive aspect of it all, it's that at least they made her character a close relation. That, at least, has some semblance of paying respect to the elder.
But... yeah... not holding my breath for any of these things.
He's wearing a wedding band in some shots.
And...
says that Karen Allen has a cameo where Marion is the one who urges Indy to go on one last adventure. Someone also mentioned that Short Round might pop up...
(I still haven't watched the trailer.)
azheat
Master Member
I will say that the trailer at the time for KOTCS had me pumped, only to be an absolutely amazing letdown. This trailer didn't blow me away, but Indy is such an iconic character that I just can't help myself from smiling. I do want more Indy, I just want good Indy.
I hear rumors of time travel for this movie which makes me uneasy, but the more I think about it, if "old" Indy dies off but they make it so that the younger Indy from the past still exists in some time travelling parallel, I'll take it. I'm not saying I want more movies with a CGI younger Indy, but I don't want the idea that our beloved Indy is gone, so let me believe he's out there still, even if they pass the torch.
What's the over / under that old Indy meets young Indy, a la Captain America in End Game........
I hear rumors of time travel for this movie which makes me uneasy, but the more I think about it, if "old" Indy dies off but they make it so that the younger Indy from the past still exists in some time travelling parallel, I'll take it. I'm not saying I want more movies with a CGI younger Indy, but I don't want the idea that our beloved Indy is gone, so let me believe he's out there still, even if they pass the torch.
What's the over / under that old Indy meets young Indy, a la Captain America in End Game........
The shot where he pulls it from his belt is incredibly muddled. Even if he could get it off his belt in time that space is too narrow to even unroll the whip much less effectively throw it out to crack it. That's likely why it's been computer generated.
Not to mention that shot where he uses it on the train top is also completely ridiculous because he's lying down on his side and he's able to use it like Spiderman's webshooters. Really?
A huge part of the appeal of the originals was that by and large most of the stunts were done in camera, the whip action being all the more impressive because Ford was doing it himself. The effects shots were typically used for the most outlandish stunts or the supernatural elements. Every shot of this looks like it came out of a video game.
If you're interested in seeing what Ford could have done, for real, on camera on a real set/ location check out some YouTube videos of Anthony DeLongis and his whip work. He taught Harrison a number of things they never used for Crystal Skull but I wish they had because it would have been the most incredible whip work committed to film since DeLongis's teaching for Michelle Pfiefer as Catwoman.
Indy typically uses a 10 foot (in reality mostly an 8 ft for camera focusing purposes and filming at close range) but storywise he's supposed to be using a 10 foot. And yes, I know my way around a bullwhip as evidenced below. Note how much space I need to crack my 10 ft Indy whip.
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It doesn't look all that appetizing....
HMSwolfe
Master Member
I can understand using a CG whip in the shot at the end for safety issues, but that’s about it. Although, Indy’s whip has always been more of a “superpower” than an actual tool. The stunt whip in Temple of Doom that’s like twenty+ feet long comes to mind. But it is a shame Crystal Skull didn’t make better use of Harrison’s skills. There’s a sequence during the opening, in the warehouse, where Indy punches a Russian, pulls his whip off the guy’s shoulder, then pulls away the rifle of another soldier. The editing is horrendous there—a single wide shot featuring Harrison’s skill would have been better.
I don’t want to make excuses for poor filmmaking (should that be the case), but there’s a lot going on here. For one, not every effect in the original three films stands up that well to the passage of time. Temple of Doom has multiple matte paintings, composite shots, and blue screen that feel pretty bad. Another thing to consider is that YouTube’s 1080 compression is awful. Did you see how smeary and artifact-ridden the video gets during the parade? All the streamers and confetti are wreaking havoc on the compression. Then you have the weird shot of Harrison’s head pasted on someone else on the horse. Well, as much as Harrison did himself, there’s always been stunt men to step in when it got too dangerous for the actor. Vic Armstrong is in as many of the stunts in Raiders as Harrison is. Yeah, the shot in this trailer looks bad, but it could be a result of an unfinished effect not mixing well with the YouTube compression. If they don’t address it before the release, though, that is on them.
There are definitely things to be reasonably concerned about in the trailer. John Rhys-Davies more or less passed as Egyptian in the 80s, but here, no. Some of the shots with extensive digital skies and things of that nature are worrisome. And yeah, this trailer isn’t technically as exciting as the Crystal Skull trailer, but that original Crystal Skull trailer leaned on nostalgia way heavier (using footage from the other three films to great effect) and it was also a trailer for Crystal Skull. Trailers can obviously be deceptive.
I want this to be good. I know that the likelihood that even if I enjoy it, that the majority of people here won’t, is high. I just feel like there’s so much riding on this film. One last hurrah for Indiana Jones; one last score by John Williams, in an age where simplistic, non-traditional film scores are the norm; one more attempt at convincing Hollywood that audiences love adventure films when they’re done right. I can’t convince anyone that the movie might be good despite their reservations—but I can hope. They’re long odds, but they can be beaten.
Of course, I had high hopes for the Uncharted film too, and that movie stank.
Holy hilarity…
The rider of this horse looks like he’s wearing a Ben Cooper Indiana Jones mask over his face…
The rider of this horse looks like he’s wearing a Ben Cooper Indiana Jones mask over his face…
I can't speak for anyone else but myself but I certainly don't want a bad Indy movie; I think almost anyone who loves the character wants a good Indy movie. If it's good, great, but the odds are really against its favor and it started out with them at the get-go. I want a great Indy movie as much as anyone else, but as the man says in the trailer itself, I think those days are long gone.
Yeah, the Raiders movies had spotty effects at times but that's part of it being based on old cheap serials; and, yeah, it also had obvious stuntmen doing the work but that's missing the forest for the trees here. It speaks volumes that despite all these advances in cg and them being used here in the trailer that none of it evoked the same thrills as seeing a guy simply dragged behind a truck.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to excuse poor quality now by bashing the older films. Just that there’s still a chance—however slim—that this turns out to be a movie I enjoy.
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