Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

I have not seen it yet, at this point I will probably just wait for Disney+. It’s been out for three weeks and one day as of today and has only made 312,000 at the box office.

Domestic and international combined.
 
The wife and I saw an advanced screening of the Barbie movie. It was good! A bit uneven in places and some of it was "a little preachy" at times according to the Mrs. (which I agree with) but it was by no means irksome. For all the overt political/ social messaging in mainstream movies today, this one handled a lot of the topics with humor and sincerity much, much more deftly than most in Hollywood. Sure there were a few jabs here and there, but they were largely innocuous. One brief exchange at the beginning even caught me off guard with how self aware it was, doing something I haven't really seen in movies of late. It actually poked fun of itself which is something I assumed was impossible in our era of "unchallenged" virtue. Robbie herself even delivers the line and it was refreshing to hear her call a spade a spade. A true moment of bipartisan recognition that really won me over.

Honestly Ryan Gosling steals the show. He's absolutely hysterical in it and for such a serious actor, it was nice to see him go all out, almost like a cartoon character. His costumes alone are so over the top they could easily be part of a Saturday Night Live sketch. Truly bananas designs. His performance in the Nice Guys really sold me on his comedic talent, though tonally that was a different type of humor. In this, the character's logic and motivation are clear and he just ran with it. It's worth seeing this movie just to see his performance. Seriously I was laughing out loud in the theater.

Margot Robbie is fantastic too and proves once again that she's more than just a pretty face just like she did in I, Tonya. The writing managed to give Barbie some genuine laughs but also more depth and personality than one would have expected. They could have easily played her for a dumb blonde to cheap effect, but they really gave her a lot to work with, even mixing in some of Gerwig's arthouse sensibilities, but adapted well for a mainstream movie. There's some really interesting insights going on. Some are handled better than others, but Robbie's sincerity never once falters. You always believe her because she never cracks when given the circumstances she could have easily done so. She really impressed me. Even her physicality mimicked a lifesize Barbie at times, so much that it was sort of eerie. She absolutely crushed it!

There's some great cameos I had no idea about until the opening credits, but I won't spoil those!

As a kid I was never comfortable even walking through the "pink" aisle at the toy store to get to my G.I.Joes because I would be too embarassed. Who would have thought that at a time when there's a brand new Indiana Jones movie and several live action TV shows, all they elicit from me is an eye roll, but a movie about Barbie? Yeah, I'm game!

Seriously, I recommend this. Don't take it too seriously and enjoy the absurdity of it. In a time with lots of crappy content and regurgitated nonsense this is one movie that's fun but not made in a way to build a franchise the way other toy brand films have done. This was very entertaining with some pretty good character arcs. Who would have guessed! We had fun at the theater this afternoon. lol
It hurts my heart to respond to a Barbie review in an Indy thread but here we are I guess. It’s sad you paid for this and not Indy.

Saw both and IMO Indy wins hands down.

After seeing Barbie I now know exactly how my father felt watching Zoolander over 20 years ago. Pop culture passes you by eventually I guess. (My kids loved Barbie)

Aside from the commendable “message” of the film, it was narratively and conceptually off for me. Barbie land, the real world, MatteI, the interaction of toys and humans were all handled so wierdly, it was all just very wonky. There was one too many Matrix references as well.

I wanted to like Gosling but I thought he was just OK. This show seemed like a paycheck and a reason for him to bleach his hair and go shirtless for his art.
Margot Robbie was great but the material was rather meh as well. Idiocracy was better and from a social satire/commentary perspective, a whole lot funnier.

On a positive note, I can’t remember the last weekend I saw 2 different movies. Going to see Oppenheimer tomorrow at one of the limited engagement 70 mm film showings to cleans my pallet and clear my conscience.
 
I'm not suggesting Barbie was by any means mind blowing social satire but it was something different and it made me laugh. That's all I expected of it. It also didn't mistake apathy as a virtue, which is the theme that Lucasfilm is obsessed with by turning all of their former icons into miserable, cynical, failures who need to be convinced to face their problems. At least Barbie had some spark of optimism, even if it didn't stick the landing all the time.

Trust me, you don't have to feel sad that I skipped Indy 5. I don't.

Last Crusade ended the Indy series on the perfect note.
 
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George Lucas on cynicism: "You can learn from it, but you can't build anything on it."

All the irony. The pop-culture references. Everything is so derivative now. Imagine trying to explain a 'Family Guy' episode to a young person in a future century. Or a Tarantino movie, or these multiverse-happy superhero flicks, 'Stranger Things' etc.

Remember 'Napoleon Dynamite'? It's not my favorite movie but I loved the originality. It's a low-budget indie comedy about high schoolers - by all rights it should have been a total Tarantino/Kevin Smith/Seth McFarlane scene. But instead it was 2 straight hours of new material. That's what real creativity looks like. It doesn't always stick the landing but it always puts in the effort.
 
George Lucas on cynicism: "You can learn from it, but you can't build anything on it."

All the irony. The pop-culture references. Everything is so derivative now. Imagine trying to explain a 'Family Guy' episode to a young person in a future century. Or a Tarantino movie, or these multiverse-happy superhero flicks, 'Stranger Things' etc.

Remember 'Napoleon Dynamite'? It's not my favorite movie but I loved the originality. It's a low-budget indie comedy about high schoolers - by all rights it should have been a total Tarantino/Kevin Smith/Seth McFarlane scene. But instead it was 2 straight hours of new material. That's what real creativity looks like. It doesn't always stick the landing but it always puts in the effort.
Napoleon Dynamite is on my top ten favorite movies list.
 
Even when new movies fail, I can always applaud the attempt to try and bring something fresh to the table. Napolean Dynamite is a perfect example of having a unique story to tell with a distinct sensibility and it still cracks me up to this day. Then again it's nearly 20 years old and released during a time when there was still some originality out there at the movies. Now it seems that all that gets made are franchise movies...
 
Since there's already a lot of off-topic talk, I'll add to the problem...

Speaking of Napoleon Dynamite (which I do not particularly like, but it has its moments)... what was the point of the scene on the chicken farm? It had no impact on the plot whatsoever.
 
Napoleon Dynamite has no discernable plot. It's pretty much a quirky slice of life about a few outsiders.
 
I'm not suggesting Barbie was by any means mind blowing social satire but it was something different and it made me laugh. That's all I expected of it. It also didn't mistake apathy as a virtue, which is the theme that Lucasfilm is obsessed with by turning all of their former icons into miserable, cynical, failures who need to be convinced to face their problems. At least Barbie had some spark of optimism, even if it didn't stick the landing all the time.

Trust me, you don't have to feel sad that I skipped Indy 5. I don't.

Last Crusade ended the Indy series on the perfect note.
I saw both Barbie and Oppenheimer over the weekend, and while I didn’t like Barbie so much, the hype and originality got me there. The stuff you and a lot of folks have been preaching about in this thread played out this weekend. Original stories ,modest-ish budgets (Opp 100 mil and Barbie 145 mil), no sequel, and no legacy character wins the day. And one is even rated R.

This weekend is the 4th biggest box office weekend ever, think about that : EVER.(behind infinity war, endgame and force wakens weekends). I think that’s an almost immediate validation of most of the comments in this thread that are post Dial of Destiny release.

It was really awesome to be in a sold out theater twice in one weekend and see the theaters hopping and buzzing. Maybe there is hope.
 
I just call it like I see it. It was really nice to see a packed theater with people enjoying themselves last week. I haven't experienced that in a long, long time. Hopefully, Hollywood is paying attention.

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It gives me hope to see the theaters so packed for two non-sequel/non-reboot movies. So, the question is what is it that made these two particular movies do so well?

In the case of Barbie, it had the feel of an event and not just a movie. Seeing the crowds for it last week, it felt more like I was at a concert than a cinema. Like it was something to go do rather than just go watch. There was a party atmosphere. It felt like what a Star Wars movie and some of the Marvel movies used to feel like. The premise was a fresh idea using a popular, generations old toy. It's no wonder that it and Super Mario did so well this year.

With Oppenheimer, I think it was tried and true effective marketing. The countdown trailers were very well done and of course you have a popular director renowned for his cinematography. The message, without outright saying it, was this a film you MUST see in theaters. I've had people that I know who don't go out to the theater tell me they want to go watch it in IMAX.
 
It gives me hope to see the theaters so packed for two non-sequel/non-reboot movies. So, the question is what is it that made these two particular movies do so well?

In the case of Barbie, it had the feel of an event and not just a movie. Seeing the crowds for it last week, it felt more like I was at a concert than a cinema. Like it was something to go do rather than just go watch. There was a party atmosphere. It felt like what a Star Wars movie and some of the Marvel movies used to feel like. The premise was a fresh idea using a popular, generations old toy. It's no wonder that it and Super Mario did so well this year.

With Oppenheimer, I think it was tried and true effective marketing. The countdown trailers were very well done and of course you have a popular director renowned for his cinematography. The message, without outright saying it, was this a film you MUST see in theaters. I've had people that I know who don't go out to the theater tell me they want to go watch it in IMAX.
Yeah, I think a lot of this has to do with the marketing and general buzz around these films. Some of that is indeed driven by the marketing, but there's a separate question of why the marketing was effective.

Mostly I think this highlights that audiences are looking for a change of pace, and not just more of the same. Period. They get excited for something different. Sure, they'll go see some mega Marvel movie or whatever, but I think they just aren't as special as they once were. They aren't bad. They're still entertaining. But the ones released so far haven't felt special or exciting. There's no sense of anticipation. Audience engagement with the material itself seems...I dunno...passive? Like, nobody's sitting around speculating about what Kang's gonna do. Nobody's excited about how they're gonna adapt some known storyline from the comic. There's been no real "OH S***!!!" moment in any of the minimal ongoing stories that makes you think "It's all gonna kick off now!" There's no sense of rising action, just kinda treading water in yet another Marvel story.

I actually think a lot of this lies at the feet of the executives and the shareholders. There's such a drive to squeeze profits out of all of this that the films end up designed by committee, and that almost never produces great films. All the interesting elements get sanded off by people who are risk-averse and who want the biggest bang for their buck, and it just kills the whole thing.
 
Plus the vast majority of the Marvel content now is telling the stories of second and third tier characters and a general audience doesn't really care about those. It may have kept their interest before because it held them over until Endgame, but clearly their interest has waned since.
 
Plus the vast majority of the Marvel content now is telling the stories of second and third tier characters and a general audience doesn't really care about those. It may have kept their interest before because it held them over until Endgame, but clearly their interest has waned since.
We shouldn't forget that when the MCU started there was no expectation that it would become the cultural milestone that it has, not to mention that audiences and fans could only hope that it would reach the places that it got to with Endgame.

Now expectations are completely different from what they were in 08, for fans and studios alike.

The fans know the heights that can be reached with this storytelling, and corporations have a history of expecting incessant exponential growth. Eventually if they're not giving the fans what they want to pay for they will cut their losses and try a different tack, but they love to bleed a cash cow dry.
 
We shouldn't forget that when the MCU started there was no expectation that it would become the cultural milestone that it has, not to mention that audiences and fans could only hope that it would reach the places that it got to with Endgame.

Now expectations are completely different from what they were in 08, for fans and studios alike.

The fans know the heights that can be reached with this storytelling, and corporations have a history of expecting incessant exponential growth. Eventually if they're not giving the fans what they want to pay for they will cut their losses and try a different tack, but they love to bleed a cash cow dry.
Right. And it's also worth remembering that the Avengers -- Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, friggin' HAWKEYE -- all were "second tier" characters before their big movie hits. I mean, yeah, everyone knew who they were, but prior to that, the X-Men were the dominant title, and Spider-Man was the other one. Which is exactly why Avi Arad sold those rights to Fox and Sony, respectively, before Marvel was seriously making its own movies.

It was Marvel taking a risk on "B-list" characters, AND directors who didn't have a huge portfolio of directorial work or at least not action-based directorial work that led them to profit.

Iron Man 1 was risky. Hell, the entirety of Phase 1 was risky. It could've wound up like, well, like the Snyderverse. Then over time, Marvel developed its "house style," but still was able to let directors do some of their own stuff (although, not all -- remember that Edgar Wright was originally directing Ant-Man, and he left because he wasn't quite vibing with the Marvel "house style").

But you're right that audiences are fundamentally in a different place now than they were in '08 and for Phase 1. They expect the big, organized "phase" a la Phase 4. Currently, I think Phase 5 (we're still in 5, right?) feels a lot like, well, Phase 1. It's a collection of mostly disconnected stories introducing various characters without much of a larger context. In some cases, they're buttressed by supporting legacy characters (e.g., Hawkeye, She-Hulk), but for the most part, it's all just back to the beginning of the story.

But audiences have grown to expect that it's all rising action and climax all the time. We're a culture now that is conditioned to wait thru credits not because we care about the 4,700 CG animators on the f/x team appearing in 10-point font on the screen, but because we're waiting for that signpost scene of what's to come, how it all connects, something to give that ominous sense of big things a-brewin'. But it's worth remembering that at the end of Iron Man, the only thing we had was Sam Jackson saying "Let me tell you about the Avengers Initiative," while Cap's shield was stuck up on the wall. That was it. That's where we are currently, I think, but audiences just...don't accept it, or at least aren't excited by it. They've had 15 years of Marvel films and TV to wear down that sense of "OH MAN! SUPERHERO MOVIES ARE SO AWESOME, RIGHT?!?!?!" and now it's more like "Yeah, but why should I care?"

I think that's healthy, and it's understandable, and it may even ultimately produce better superhero movies (if the studios' backs can be broken by WGA/SAG-AFTRA, and whichever other unions follow suit), but for now, I think it's left audiences just feeling underwhelmed.
 
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