Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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Cephus
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They were hoping for $150 million domestic opening until very recently. I was wondering if it would beat The Flash on the race to the bottom.
That spoke more than you know. And I'll leave it at that.
Yeah I know they had high hopes. They were on crack. You can't look at the situation with any common sense and expect a $150m opening weekend. It wouldn't have happened even if all the reviews & public buzz had been glowing.
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Cephus
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Which none of it was. The second they let this dog out at Cannes, they knew it was toast. They wanted a positive buzz and instead, most people said it was crap, which it is.
I went and saw it this morning. I enjoyed it very much and in my personal ranking, I put it as the third best Indy film. Raiders, Crusade, Dial, Temple, Skull.
My 12 year old son watched the other four movies last week and asked to go see this. I was considering waiting until it was on Disney plus because I just don’t see the point of movie theaters any longer. I’m glad we went and he loved it.
My 12 year old son watched the other four movies last week and asked to go see this. I was considering waiting until it was on Disney plus because I just don’t see the point of movie theaters any longer. I’m glad we went and he loved it.
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100%. I realized many years ago that I'd rather see a character/story I enjoy end rather than it continue in a disparate form. While I'd love to always have new movies of a property I enjoy be made, there's two elements that must be factored in for me:
1. Is there a compelling story to tell that adds to the overall series?
2. Can it recapture the magic and feel of the previous entries?
A compelling story may be doable but recapturing the "magic" is the bigger obstacle for me. Movies, like many things, are tied to the people, place, and time in which they were made. Time moves on, techniques change, and so does the styles and sensibilities of filmmaking including those that worked on said stories. If Lucas and Spielberg had a chance to make an Indiana Jones sequel today with a fountain of youthed Harrison Ford, it'll still have a different feel and look from the original. I imagine it wouldn't appeal to me. Now assign an entirely new crew to accomplish that task 40 years after the fact and it's impossible. I'm totally cool with things being left where they were.
It's definitely a tough trick. Keep 'em in the same state of action and ability despite their age and nobody would find it believable. Degrade them to an appropriate state in line with their age and those that want to see them still kicking ass and saving the day are disappointed. It's especially tough with an action character like Indy. So, what do you do? You either move on and be happy with the films we did have (my belief), or you accept the fact your hero can't be the same and enjoy it for what it is.
Like I said, I don't want another Indy movie. If others do and enjoy it, there's certainly no justification for me to tell them otherwise. I'm just in it for analytical purposes as I do enjoy dissecting these newer iterations. My only wish is that they wouldn't regress these characters to such extremes that they've become shells of what they were. I most definitely agree with you that if you want to continue these characters and stories, some regression, and some leaning on the younger characters is expected but, you can still have them be older and slower while still maintaining the essence of their previous selves. Much harder to do with a guy who jumps from truck to truck punching bad guys I readily admit but surely there's a way to frame him where at least he isn't a broken man.
Is it still an accepted industry rough rule of thumb... must make at least double the production budget, domestic + global box office or it's likely to be a loss?
Loved it. Didn’t have any of the things everyone was complaining about. It didn’t demean Indy, the new lady didn’t take over for him, he was still the main character, and he still got a happy ending.
Also is this the first Indy film where it ends with him still possessing the relic at the end?
I got a bit teary eyed in the end there with Marion.
Also is this the first Indy film where it ends with him still possessing the relic at the end?
I got a bit teary eyed in the end there with Marion.
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nickytea
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No, modern release agreements tend to favor the studio in the exhibitor split, particularly in the first weeks of release, with an increasing percentage for the exhibitors as the weeks go on. But with most of the money now being made in those early weeks, the receipts are mostly going to the studio (particularly for big summer movies), which is why you see concession prices being what they are. And, as I understand it, this is negotiated per movie, so there's really no way for us to know what the break-even point is for Indy.
So the rumors of Helena ending the movie by saying: “I’m Helena….Helena Jones…” aren’t true???
No, PWB actually says: "I'm London. London Bridge"
For the domestic U.S. take, basically yes. It's on a graded scale. I agree with Nickytea that the first few weeks are when the film HAS to make its money (strike while the iron is hot), and the majority of films released now don't have long box office legs. Maybe Avengers Endgame and Avatar 2 were the couple that bucked the trend?
When Nickytea says that the production studio gets a higher % of the ticket revenue as the weeks go by, I'm not sure if this true for every film. While each film has a different setup/contract I'm sure, my understanding is that the production studio gets the MOST $$ during the film's first week, and each successive week the exhibitors get to keep MORE of the ticket revenue to compensate/offset for the expected drop in ticket sales as the weeks pass.
Overseas markets return LESS of the box office revenue back to the U.S. I think China is somewhere around 25% return to the production studio.
But either way, the higher the fraction of the overall ticket revenue that comes from the United States, the more $$ is earned by the production studio(s).
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I've been wanting an Indy video game in the style of Uncharted for years now. They're finally working on one so we'll see.
OK, this I need to understand. Is there a contractual arrangement between Lucasfilm and Paramount that transferred over into the Disney acquisition?
This would be very cool. I wish it would happen.
All I know is Paramount is listed among the producing companies at the start of the film. I imagine back in the day there was an agreement with LFL that they have some sort of in-perpetuity piece of the sequel pie.
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