Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[Liberance]

Though isn't that evidence that there's nothing of substance to do with the character other than break him down? That the story is over and the creative options exhausted. If you have to resort to using something as tonally drastic as that to tell your story, doesn't that fundamentally shift the story from heroic adventurer to old cranky sad guy with nothing to live for?

In a way, yeah. It's probably one of the main reasons Spielberg dropped out. He had already told the Dial of Destiny story with Crystal Skull trying his best not to break the formula in the process.

That said, there are always options. Maybe even Mangold's take could've been good by making it less grim. There's plenty of questionable stuff Indy has done in the past that could come back to bite him at the end. He's lived a double life as a respectable professor and borderline grave robber. I for one would love to read whatever the original Koepp script that Spielberg worked on was about.

so it's all just coincidence? Whether it's Rian Johnson, Mangold, Abrahms...Rogue One, Solo, The ST, Indy 5( four British, Protagonist, female actresses) , Mandalorian (Bo Katan)...the list goes on and on...Luke, Indy, Han...They just happen to write bad scripts under one common denominator..Kathleen Kennedy. If that makes me nuts to see it like that then i don't want to know what it's like to be "sane" because just like everything else, there is a reversal of truth happening out there. Good is now evil and evil is now good. Right is wrong and wrong is right. I'll stop here. If people can't see who and what is behind this then there is nothing i can do but to hope that they will see and see quickly. If we are just going to be indifferent about these things then complain about them happening, all while funding them to keep pumping more out then we are complicit in our own complaints. I mean when KK comes out and says, "The Force is female" Then Rey, Jyn, Qi'ra, Bo Katan, Helen...all portrayed like the cats meow but Luke, Han and Indy get poor scripts and debased and it's unfortunate? I just can't...appreciate your opinion. Thank You but none if it makes sense to me at all. No one thought the OT as being Male only...no one said back then "The Force is Male"...imagine if that was said today? But it's ok to say "The force is female". It was Kathleen Kennedy that introduced us to these things but it's not an agenda...huh?

I mean, honestly, what you're responding to are dumb PR decrees that executives like Kennedy feel like they have to parrot in order to look good in social media. And there definitely is a corporate push to bring more female characters to leading roles, which would be perfectly fine if done properly. The problem is that, rather than driven by artistic sensibilities, it mainly happens for marketing reasons and it's usually done in completely incompetent ways that result in trash like the new Ghostbusters and the like. The consequence of that is that the movies suck, the marketing intentions become obvious, audiences feel played, and then you get a number of people who start jumping at shadows whenever anything else doesn't work for whatever reason.

Rey is just as poorly executed in the new Star Wars movies as Finn, Kylo or the ginger lad who screams. Helena is actually less interesting than Indiana Jones in Dial of Destiny. The root of all this is poor writing and the usual creative interference in corporate environments, and not some complex political agenda. You're giving these studios far too much credit when the reality is much more mundane than all that.

 

[CopperRevan]

Never mind.

I've written...rewritten, edited..unedited...and said to myself, "Never Mind" a billion times trying to figure out how , "I didn't hate it" and "fine" and "I didn't love it" seem to be so acceptable nowadays.

 

[Jaitea]

I have seen all the Star Wars films in the Cinema (including Ewok Movie & The Clone Wars Movie) EXCEPT 'The Rise of Skywalker',....I watched it at a friends house, where he had got a download of it,...(a cam version of it)

Today my I saw 'Dial of Destiny' at my friends house

I had heard that the De-Aged part at the beginning was the best part of it, well it was,...BUT....it was terrible, Indy's voice sounded like todays Harrison, all shots of Indy walking through the train, his head was the wrong shape, looked like his face was too big for the head,...like the actor was wearing a mask,....De-aged Indy didn't have Harrisons posture or way of walking/running

Skipping through the film,...Harrison acting as Indy, was very good, he's still got it,...the sneaking about the tomb part felt great....but the film as a whole just felt flat,....too much obvious CG

The ending with Marion was touching, but a retread of 'The Crystal Skull'

I'm glad I didn't waste money to see this in the cinema

J

 

[edge10]

I've written...rewritten, edited..unedited...and said to myself, "Never Mind" a billion times trying to figure out how , "I didn't hate it" and "fine" and "I didn't love it" seem to be so acceptable nowadays.

I added an explanation. I posted Drinker's review before watching the whole thing. I wish they would ask themselves, if they need to use the language they do, at times, before adding it to their product.

 

[drftfan]

I have seen all the Star Wars films in the Cinema (including Ewok Movie & The Clone Wars Movie) EXCEPT 'The Rise of Skywalker',....I watched it at a friends house, where he had got a download of it,...(a cam version of it)

Today my I saw 'Dial of Destiny' at my friends house

I had heard that the De-Aged part at the beginning was the best part of it, well it was,...BUT....it was terrible, Indy's voice sounded like todays Harrison, all shots of Indy walking through the train, his head was the wrong shape, looked like his face was too big for the head,...like the actor was wearing a mask,....De-aged Indy didn't have Harrisons posture or way of walking/running

Skipping through the film,...Harrison acting as Indy, was very good, he's still got it,...the sneaking about the tomb part felt great....but the film as a whole just felt flat,....too much obvious CG

The ending with Marion was touching, but a retread of 'The Crystal Skull'

I'm glad I didn't waste money to see this in the cinema

J

Way to add that nice spoiler in there on opening day. Glad I already saw it but other people haven't. That's why there is a spoiler option.

 

[CopperRevan]

i've said all i'm gonna say and don't need to be heard or take up anymore space on this thread so im gonna just respect the fact that you somewhat liked it and i know i won't...lol

 

[Jaitea]

Way to add that nice spoiler in there on opening day. Glad I already saw it but other people haven't. That's why there is a spoiler option.

Sorry, the plot has been out there since Canne, thought everyone already knew

oops,....hidden now

J

 

[CopperRevan]

see last post...don't want to take up any ones time or kill anyones joy. I need to focus on writing my own stuff anyways. Have fun, be light hearted, be blessed and hope for the best.

 

[Cephus]

Dial of Disentary opens up with $7.2 million on preview night, less than Flash, less than Transformers, right on track to a $60 million opening weekend which is disastrous for a $300+ million dollar movie.

Good job Disney. You screwed it up again.

 

[JPH]

Helena dramatically "evolved" during the film.
She started as such a hatable, selfish character and Indy fixed her. She was looking for a family and found one. She went from abandoning him to saving him.

I was cautious watching this movie because of all the KK quotes and fans talking about destroying the old dudes to make way for GRRL POWER!!

But I didnt see that.

He's old, he just retired, those kids play their music TOO DAMN LOUD! And then folks/friends start dying around him! He can still give and take a punch as long as he is hemodynamically stable.


The bad guys were a bit TOO terrible, killing everyone, EXCEPT for the main characters. I was waiting for them to put Indy in an intricate trap, a la Bond.

Indy wants to stay and die watching a historical event. That's sound glorious! He believes everything in his world is dead. He has spent his life reliving and exploring historical events at the expense of his family. I was super happy to see the post knock-out resolution.

Young Indy had strange looking edges and grey teef, but it told the story.

 

[batguy]

Against my instincts I watched this movie tonight.

(no specific spoilers ahead)


I mostly agree with JPH's take. It felt sorta mediocre & unnecessary but it wasn't terrible. IMO the most fun part is the early scenes in the 1940s with de-aged Harrison (they intentionally tried to make it feel like an early Indy movie).

This movie has gotten a rep for being kinda slow/plodding. IMO there is plenty of story content but it's stretched out. It never bogs down too badly in any one spot but they kept spending 3 minutes on scenes that could have been done in 1-2 minutes. It sorta feels like an extended director's cut.

The action is more frenetic/choppy than 1980s Indy movies but it's not bad by modern standards. Old-Indy is handled with enough restraint to keep it watchable. He kinda jogs around, tumbles through doorways, drives vehicles in chases, etc. But he doesn't beat up a lot of guys half his age or do Tarzan-swings on the bullwhip. No nuked fridges or inflatable raft falls.

PWB's character was clearly designed for spinoff movies. They tried to write her like a 1930s Indy or early Han Solo (heavy on the selfish mercenary traits) but it doesn't work as well. By the time she starts showing some warmth & humanity you have already spent an hour deciding that you don't like her.

 

[pengbuzz]

Cowardice, even in fiction, is nothing to celebrate. If we can't even be afforded to see our iconic fictional heroes make the right choices in the end, then they aren't worthy of our admiration. These stories didn't become classics because the protagonists gave up. They became icons because they made the hard decisions in the critical moment where most of us would fold under the pressure. That's why we root for them. That's why we dress up like them when we go to their movies and why we replicate the props they used. That's why we discuss them at length. They inspire us to learn new skills and make new friends in the process.

People underestimate the positive impact an icon can have on a person's life. The way it can inform their choices, or motivate them to accomplish great things. Even if they don't literally worship the hero, what they symbolize is far more important. These films make us feel good because believing in a hero inspires us to have the courage to do the right thing in the face of uncertainty or evil. Life is hard enough. Without hope, it's not worth living. I could use some hope in my life. I don't think that's a lot to ask.

I think we all can, my friend. That's why these icons and legends are so dear to us, and why we resent anyone debasing the and turning them into twisted, corroded simulacrums of their former selves.

Perhaps the ones who do this to our beloved heroes hate hope and want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as they are.

 

[blewis17]

By the time she starts showing some warmth & humanity you have already spent an hour deciding that you don't like her.

...sounds like every blind date, ever...

 

[Captain Dunsel]

 

[PropReplicator2]

I watched it last night with my oldest daughter. I was initially weary of the same "girl power" issue that JPH mentioned but I didnt see very much of that at all with these characters. I however was still not a fan of Helena. I feel like she was too dislikable for 90% of the film to be liked properly in the last 10% when her character development takes place.
Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the de-aged Indy scenes were great. While the CGI might not have been the best, I loved the backstory that was told in those scenes. A true fan will look past a little dodgy effects and pay attention to the story behind it.
All-in-all it was a nice fairwell to our hero, and I believe every Indy fan should give it a watch. It's still Harrison Ford. It's still an adventure. You may not like one or two decisions made by the creators, but thats not what this is about. This is about sharing a hero from our generations with the next generations of people so that we can share our love of a character with one another.

 

[edge10]

I watched it last night with my oldest daughter. I was initially weary of the same "girl power" issue that JPH mentioned but I didnt see very much of that at all with these characters. I however was still not a fan of Helena. I feel like she was too dislikable for 90% of the film to be liked properly in the last 10% when her character development takes place.
Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the de-aged Indy scenes were great. While the CGI might not have been the best, I loved the backstory that was told in those scenes. A true fan will look past a little dodgy effects and pay attention to the story behind it.
All-in-all it was a nice fairwell to our hero, and I believe every Indy fan should give it a watch. It's still Harrison Ford. It's still an adventure. You may not like one or two decisions made by the creators, but thats not what this is about. This is about sharing a hero from our generations with the next generations of people so that we can share our love of a character with one another.

If only there was a way to share Raiders, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade, with the next generation.

 

[PropReplicator2]

If only there was a way to share Raiders, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade, with the next generation.

Yes, by introducing them to a newer film that catches their attention you can reel them into watching the older ones to get the rest of the story. But thats just my $0.02.

 

[Psab keel]

Or you could just show them Raiders. Why not show them the best in the series first?

 

[edge10]

If the first 10 minutes of Raiders doesn't hook them, I don't know what would.

 

[Psab keel]

To quote a friend of mine, why not give the next generation the best quality story first? If you're intent on sharing what's so great about Indiana Jones, it only makes sense to show them the very best of the franchise and watch more (or don't) based on how they enjoy it.