Iconic DC Comics Character - Gay

Well, I've at least a dozen gay men who've been married and fathered children before they were able to accept that they were gay and came out of the closet. The fact that a character might've had heterosexual relationships in the past isn't an automatic disqualifier.
 
I'm betting on the Joker. Part of his fixation on Batman.

And don't particularly care one way or another, just one more cheap marketing ploy as far as I'm concerned.
 
I find it hard to believe that any "iconic" (assuming by iconic it is a well established character) DC character has been pretending to be straight for decades. Since any of the big characters no doubt have had straight romances by now after decades of writers and storys.

I have had friends as well as coworkers who "pretended" to be straight for years.

I have a gay friend who have had several long term straight relationships before coming out of the closet. One has 3 children.

This is marketing BS.

Are they dong this to sell comics and get attention? Of course. Its a business. Do you think Marvel made the Avengers movie based solely on their artistic vision? No, they planned on making money. Doesnt mean good can not come out of a money making opportunity.

Again, what about a written as gay character suddenly going straight?

Makes no sense and neither does this.

I dont hear of well known gay people announcing they are in fact straight nearly as often as well known people who were thought to be straight revealing they are gay.



To make fictional characters more real, they are written to imitate things that happen in the lives of real people. To have a fictional DC universe where no one had a coming out moment would be unrealistic since it happens in the real world all the time.
 
Well, I've at least a dozen gay men who've been married and fathered children before they were able to accept that they were gay and came out of the closet. The fact that a character might've had heterosexual relationships in the past isn't an automatic disqualifier.


Wouldn't "bi-sexual" be more accurate?

Personally I don't know anyone who flipped preference in all my years.
 
If a gay character was written to announce they were turning straight because of some personal revelation, it's a sure bet there would a hellstorm of protest in the name of diversity.

So it doesn't go both ways. The change must be political correct to be bold and championing diversity.

Uncreative pandering is the term I would use.
 
I'm betting on the Joker. Part of his fixation on Batman.

And don't particularly care one way or another, just one more cheap marketing ploy as far as I'm concerned.


Nope.

There is no way it will be a villian.
Making a villian gay would not be PC at all.
 
If a gay character was written to announce they were turning straight because of some personal revelation, it's a sure bet there would a hellstorm of protest in the name of diversity.

So it doesn't go both ways. The change must be political correct to be bold and championing diversity.

Uncreative pandering is the term I would use.

No comment on my earlier point regarding this?

Again, what about a written as gay character suddenly going straight?

Makes no sense and neither does this.
I dont hear of well known gay people announcing they are in fact straight nearly as often as well known people who were thought to be straight revealing they are gay.


To make fictional characters more real, they are written to imitate things that happen in the lives of real people. To have a fictional DC universe where no one had a coming out moment would be unrealistic since it happens in the real world all the time.
 
Wouldn't "bi-sexual" be more accurate?

Personally I don't know anyone who flipped preference in all my years.

Actually, no. I've met kids who were fathered by gay men who only came out after divorcing the kid's mother. I've known guys who were married, had kids, and then came out as gay years later. It's not bisexual just because you CAN have sex with a woman, if you are "forcing" yourself to do it just to prove you're straight. So, on that score, I'd say no, not bi-sexual.

Think of it this way. It's preference. If you go to a meal at a friend's house and they serve lobster, and you really HATE lobster but you don't want to offend your friend who went to all this trouble, what do you do? You eat your lobster and put on a happy face. Then years later, when you and your friend are talking, you say "You know, I never told you this, but I HATE lobster." Did the fact that you ate the lobster -- even with a happy face on -- mean that you LIKED lobster for that moment? Of course not. You HATE lobster. But you ate it anyway because of the social pressure associated with not offending your friend.

What if its just more than an announcement? What if there is a very good story written to go along with? One that describes the character as having always been gay, and tells what they have been through? The character could be someone others could identify with as they struggle to come out of the closet. What if they make it part of the character from now on?

I think its cool that this is happening. Im not gay, but Captain Jack Harkness is one of the coolest characters ever! Its just becoming part of normalcy, in fact, I think it would be abnormal for one of the characters to NOT come out of the closet.

And I think its cool that it isn't a new character. That would be more of a token. Someone struggling with who they are is a story people can identify with.

To me, what makes it tokenism is the marketing aspect of it, especially the "big announcement." And I'm not gay either, but I still find the whole thing crass and stupid. MAybe they can write whatever the story is in a convincing way, but the reason why I'm against using an existing character for this is the DECADES -- in some cases almost a CENTURY -- of the characters being straight in most cases.

Think of it this way.

Gay Superman?

Gay Batman?

Gay Wonder Woman?

Gay Flash?

Gay Green Lantern?

All of these characters have had opposite-sex significant others, and not in the way I described where they just "put on a brave face."

For the record, though, I have the same issue with repeated "reboots" of continuity. It made sense in '85 for them to reboot DC. And even that created problems. But now they do it, what, every 5 years or so? It cheapens all of it and turns it into an excuse to just toss continuity out the window. I'm sure there's marketing data to suggest that comics have a roughly 5-year window during which they're most heavily consumed by an individual, so it doesn't make sense to keep telling the same story for longer than 5 years.

But you know what? It still sucks. Comics evolve, but that doesn't mean they need to radically change every five years, and it doesn't mean they have to do stuff like this just to turn a buck.


I suppose a big part of what steams me about this is the "announcement" aspect. That, to me, is the biggest sign of "MARKETING PLOY." They have to "announce" it because (A) it's a major character, and (B) that means they can't just let it evolve naturally.

And you know why? Because it wouldn't be "natural." With any of the established characters, this will be a "WTF?! Where'd THAT come from?" moment.


You know what this will be like? Back in the early 2000s, Law and Order had just gotten rid of Angie Harmon, and brought on...um....I don't remember her name. She was blonde. Anyway, she was only on as an assistant DA for, like, one or two seasons. At the end, though, she got fired. And as she was getting fired, she said "Is this because I'm GAY?" And the entire audience -- and even the character to whom she said it!!! -- was like "What?" It came completely out of left field. NOBODY expected it, and it wasn't natural or organic to the story. There were no hints about it, no suggestions, no internal dilemma with the character saying "I hate that I can't come out at work..." or something. Even within the episode, which, I think, centered on gay hate crime or something along those lines, it was totally out of left field.

It was just bad storytelling. And the fact that nobody here can guess who the character is that will be "outed" as gay pretty much tells me that this will be done in a really cheap, lousy way. There's been no lead-in for it. There's been no build-up. It'll just be like, "WTF?! Aquaman's gay?! So what the hell is up with his relationship with Mera?! Or Dolphin?! How the hell do they explain that?!"

If there was some year-long or multi-year layering of stories that gradually developed this side of the character, hinted at it, that sort of thing, to the point where no announcement was necessary, yeah, I'd have no problem with it.

But that apparently hasn't happened. If it has, hey, my apologies and I hope they do the story right. but my bet is that this is just a cynical ploy to gin up the controversy mill and get people talking. And I take that as demeaning on multiple levels. It's demeaning to gays that they can be used as a marketing gambit. It's demeaning to the audience because it assumes that they're dumb enough to say "WHAAAAAT? I MUST READ THIS!!!"

You know what'd be courageous? If this was part of a multi-year plan, which played out before the public's eyes, and NO announcement was made. THAT would be courageous, because that'd be like saying "Yeah. Aquaman's gay. If you've been reading for the last four years, you'd probably have picked up on that. And you know what? We didn't do an announcement for it because it's not something that ought to NEED an announcement. Aquaman is who he is. Gay people are who they are. nobody should need to 'announce' their sexuality to the world as if they can't live their life openly. People should just...be themselves. And that's what Aquaman is doing, and what he's been doing all this time. So, no, we didn't announce it. We told a story instead, because that's the business we're in: storytelling."
 
People coming out of the closet happens all the time. Just because we are just learning they are gay, doesn't mean they haven't been gay for a long time. I think it would be interesting to read about the characters plight.


We don't know the character yet, but I would risk to say that the creators never intended the character as a closet gay. Granted, they probably don't own the character and sold their soul to DC long ago on that matter.

But why not have a new character coming out gay as the story line?

Well..........

They are trying to leverage off of an existing character created by others for media traction and hype and exploit the oh how progressive DC is now factor.

What's interesting about that? It's fools bait.
 
Actually, no. I've met kids who were fathered by gay men who only came out after divorcing the kid's mother. I've known guys who were married, had kids, and then came out as gay years later. It's not bisexual just because you CAN have sex with a woman, if you are "forcing" yourself to do it just to prove you're straight. So, on that score, I'd say no, not bi-sexual.

Think of it this way. It's preference. If you go to a meal at a friend's house and they serve lobster, and you really HATE lobster but you don't want to offend your friend who went to all this trouble, what do you do? You eat your lobster and put on a happy face. Then years later, when you and your friend are talking, you say "You know, I never told you this, but I HATE lobster." Did the fact that you ate the lobster -- even with a happy face on -- mean that you LIKED lobster for that moment? Of course not. You HATE lobster. But you ate it anyway because of the social pressure associated with not offending your friend.


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Not liking a food is one thing, a male forcing himself to have sex with someone they are not sexually aroused by sounds majorily problematic to me.
You must have some level of attraction to physically make the plumbing work.
Least wise that's how I see it, I don't think any power of fantasy would allow me to perform in such a situation.

Anyways, DC hasn't gotten my cash in a while in regard to comics.
The New 52 wasn't anything I wanted to go near.
This isn't endearing me any further. Looks like their trying out of the closet
instead of killing and resurrecting a character for the hype factor.
 
I was at my buddies comic shop today picking up my comics and we got to discussing this topic. I tossed in my picks and he gave me his and he made a pretty good point.

He thinks it's Earth 2 Alan Scott Aka. Green Lantern. I mean look at the headlines "Green Lantern Gay". People are gonna lose their minds because they'll automatically jump to Hal Jordan or for the newer fans, John Stewart. They won't realize though that Alan Scott was the original green lantern. So they're using the green lantern name to get people buzzing.
 
My guess it will be a kind of cop out with a character everybody, except every single reader, thinks is a major.
 
I'm retracting my Guy Gardner guess (no, not because someone indicated he'd "kick my ass").....Upon careful consideration, I could never imagine a gay bloke with that awful haircut,....nope, can't do it. How about a former Robin?....Didn't they un-kill Jason Todd a while back?
 
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Wouldn't "bi-sexual" be more accurate?

Personally I don't know anyone who flipped preference in all my years.

No. At least with regard to the men I've known, they never dated any women in the years I've known them and had no interest in women beyond friendship. Now, that's not to say that they didn't love their spouses. I have no doubt that they did. Love and physical attraction aren't necessarily intrinsically linked.

Frankly, I never asked them how they managed to consummate their marriages or father children... it's not really any of my business. All I know is that they were very definitely into men and not into women when I knew them and their kids.


I'm retracting my Guy Gardner guess (no, not because someone indicated he'd "kick my ass").....Upon careful consideration, I could never imagine a gay bloke with that awful haircut,....nope, can't do it. How about a former Robin?....Didn't they un-kill Jason Todd a while back?

Yes, Jason came back as the "anti-hero" the Red Hood. My husband made a good point though... They need to tread with MAJOR caution when it comes to the Bat Family and homosexuality. For decades, people have been labeling Batman and Robin's relationship as borderline pedophilia. Having one of the Robins come out of the closet would only throw fuel on that fire, I'm afraid.
 
if it is going to be a major character, and a Hero, then I think there really is only one choice. Billy Bateson/Captain Marvel. This is a character that has always come up short since DC took him over. As far as I know, no title featuring him has done anything. But I think alot of that has to do with the fact that DC took the character and then applied most of the things that made Captain Marvel outsell Superman and relabeled it for Superman. (the origins of Supergirl and Superboy)

I am personally a Captain Marvel fan and have mixed feelings about my theory here. I will wait to see what they do.
 
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