Iconic DC Comics Character - Gay

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  1. JD

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    DC’s new gay character will be ‘major,’ ‘iconic’ — and apparently male | Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources – Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment

    Is Batman gay? Major DC Comics character to come out of the closet | Mail Online


    I've thought they should changed what the initials DC stood for since they rebooted their entire line. And, well... I think this strengthens my reasoning.

    Detective Comics is now Desperate Comics - and really has been for awhile. DC is so hungry for headlines and sales that they'd do just about anything - the new 52, stupid costume changes and now taking an existing character and making them gay.

    That, in and of itself I really don't have an issue with (well, I will bicker at changing an iconic character with established lore just for change's sake). But, I really don't think they're doing this for social reasons - this is a headline and money grab - this is DC using a so-called cause for their own purposes.
     
  2. Wes R

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    It's for sure a money grab, DC does it all the time with killing of Superman then Batman only to have them come back. DC does really well with movies and animated features but they're comics don't seem to really adapt and from what I saw of the new 52 I can't say I'm impressed. Marvel has a better grasp of recreating their characters in new ways such as the Ultimates Universe and such.
     
  3. aeonpulse

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    I agree. This is just causing controversy where there doesn't need to be any. If DC wants to introduce a new character, who also happens to be gay, then fine, that's totally different. But taking an existing, well-known character and announcing a change to their sexual preference in this manner is, as you mentioned, obviously a grab for headlines/attention.
     
  4. yodakiller1138

    yodakiller1138 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I stopped reading DC when they started the 52.
     
  5. EyeofSauron

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    does this really matter? i mean its not like DC comics have major sexual relationship story arcs. its about fighting crime, not dating people. its probably gonna be like: Hey im gay, now we will never mention it again and continue fighting crime...

    also, its aquaman :D
     
  6. aeonpulse

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    Hahah, oh. Well, in that case, I don't think anyone will care, because everyone already knows Aquaman is gay.
     
  7. Qui-Gonzalez

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    Dammit, that was my guess!
     
  8. Jeyl

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    Why don't they just let these characters come out in the story rather than announcing it? Cripes, when Wonder Woman said she didn't have either a boyfriend or a girlfriend at her book signing, no one cared. When Renee Montoya was outed by Two Face as a lesbian, nobody cared (except in regards that they cared for her as a character). But when DC decided to announce Batwoman was going to be a lesbian in the new 52? Headlines!

    Gosh darn it all. If you're going to have a character be gay, don't announce it. Let it play out. Like showcasing a cover of Wonder Woman kissing her half-brother.....

    !#(~@#&!*@#$(&!@#$*(&
    *gunshots*
     
  9. JD

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    How do they sell issues if they don't announce it!?!?

    We've had gay mainstream comic characters for years; Vibe, Northstar come to mind and I believe that goes back 20 years or so (I thought Batwoman was a lesbian before the new 52?). But, this the new era of DC (aka Desperate Comics) were we make changes not for story or character sake - but for HEADLINES.
     
  10. Satxer

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    That second title really doesn't do justice. Naming Batman in it? Considering Batman and Catwoman get it on in one of the new 52 Catwoman issues. Did they think that comic nerds would miss that?
     
  11. SSgt Burton

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    My money is on Plastic Man.



    Kevin
     
  12. Satxer

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    I think I just read it was Booster
     
  13. EyeofSauron

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    they also said its not gonna be anyone who allready appeared in the new 52

    so booster and batman are out of the question anyway (of the ones named here)
     
  14. terryr

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    Marvel did this with the Rawhide Kid, a silver age cowboy comic. And they made him the biggest cliche 'gay boy' you could make.
    Obviously the writers and artists had no idea how to make it happen.
     
  15. Jeyl

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    Announcing the issues story is one thing, making a fuss over something that can be saved within the context of the comic itself is another.
     
  16. Supa troop

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    Most superheros are Gay, some of them run around in Lycra Pants or Tights, and because they can't date through fear of their alternate identities being discovered they all hang out together :love

    i can just see it now, superman, the flash , Batman etc all doing the YMCA :)
     
  17. JD

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    I'm not condoning it - I'm just stating DC's case.
     
  18. JD

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    ..it's obviously the Martian Manhunter.

    :love
     
  19. aeonpulse

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    What about Superboy? Surely it's him!
     
  20. SSgt Burton

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    :lol

    Nearly spit my drink out! :lol


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  21. CB2001

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  22. Bizarro Lois

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    She's been a lesbian since they re-vamped the character, which actually was before the New 52. She showed up some on the Bat-stories, and was often featured in Detective Comics.
    She was originally used sometime around the 50s, and was always angling to get Batman's attention. Her neice Betty tagged along as the first Batgirl.
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    I personally love the way they redesigned the new Batwoman, including her being gay and having a history with Renee Montoya.
    I am all for creating diverse characters, but I agree that it would be better if they didn't make any character gay just for headlines.
     
  23. JD

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    Quoted for truth.

    Thank you for saying it better than I did.
     
  24. Rylo

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    Word...

     
  25. firesprite

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  26. Sundowner

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    My bet is Elongated Man, Red Rocket or Hour Man
     
  27. rodneyfaile

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    Might as well be Green Lantern.
     
  28. Scareb

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    I don't see them touching Bats, supes, or any of the 4 green lanterns. I was thinking flash but as I understand it he's gotten quite popular recently.

    Maybe Jason Todd?
     
  29. Qui-Gonzalez

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    To think that John Byrne had that thought for that character before being gay was all en vogue.
     
  30. DuneMuadDib

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    There's no way it will be a member of the Justice League, probably will be a C-lister. I don't think DC has the stones to make a long-established A-List or B-List character gay.
     
  31. crabra comander

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    DC has enough characters to choose from that I could give a crap about!
    Martian-manhunter goes searching for Elongated Man's Red Rocket and does it for an Hour Man.

    Martian-Manhunter wouldn't be gay though right? Aren't we like, different species or whatever?
     
  32. EyeofSauron

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    martian manhunter can in fact not be gay. martians are all one and just communicate via their minds, they share everything, and have no secrets. therefor everyone can do everything. or lets say, he cant be our concept of gay. also, all martians look alike (male and female), alltho there are still green and white martians (with the white martians being "discriminated")
     
  33. infymys

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    Typical of DC trying to get some of the spotlight that is clearly on Marvel these past few years. Instead of this big announcement, they could have just concentrated on current gay characters like Apollo and Midnighter of The Authority (which I think would make for an awesome feature film) or even Kate Kane, the current Batwoman.
     
  34. MrNixon

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    I knew there was something fishy about Aquaman
     
  35. JD

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    :facepalm :rolleyes :facepalm

    Really?
     
  36. rodneyfaile

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    They have hinted at this in the past .....lol


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  37. EyeofSauron

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    general martian knowledge :D
     
  38. MooCriket

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    I thought they already showed who it was going to be?
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  39. Scareb

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    I couldn't see it being batman. I mean he's hooked up with Selina Kyle, Talia Al Ghul, And 500 other randoms.

    Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern are pretty much DC's leading men. If they were to turn any of those guys gay, the fans would crucify DC. It's not worth making all the fans gasp and then lose significant sales.

    I could see them making Tim Drake gay.
     
  40. Crank729

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    C'mon guys.....we all know it's alfred Pennyworth.

    ( Don't judge I'm a marvel guy!)
     
  41. JD

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    Whomever this ends up being I have my doubts that they'll be as 'iconic' as DC is claiming.

    It seems that all the real iconic DC characters are all a part of the 'new 52.'

    Again, this just makes me think that this is desperate move by a desperate comic book company. As much as it pains me to say this, Marvel did it the right way with the way they're handling the Northstar thing.

    But, either way I look at it - it's exploitation.
     
  42. Probe Droid

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    Come on, they're all gay! A bunch of nancies running around playing dress-up. :lol
     
  43. pengbuzz

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    No wonder they switched Batman to "armor"....
     
  44. The Next Doctor

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    I am figuring it is going to be a villian.

    And the definition of "iconic" is subjective.

    So, they haven't introducted (I am taking that to mean there hasn't been a story or origin) the character yet, and we know they need name recognition, but they can't use any character that might cause sales to slump. So my guess is...…

    The Riddler.

    Iconic Character, as many recognize him from the 60's series and the Jim Carrey performance. Mainstream enough, but can be hidden from view for a while if things need to die down from the fallout.
     
  45. Riceball

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    To make it really shocking and/or talk worthy they could make Capt. Marvel gay, imagine the spin they could make about having a gay kid and how progressive they are and all that?
     
  46. Nwerke

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    It's Triangle Man. Or Particle Man. One or the other, but whatever he's like, it's not important.
     
  47. Wes R

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    I'm amazed that DC didn't do this sooner. Marvel is finally having one of it's gay characters get married to his fiance. Northstar's been gay since the like early 90s if not earlier in the Marvel Universe. Gen 13's one female character had her being a lesbian brought up in the 90s too and nobody paid much attention. It's as soon as someone says "Iconic" that people get their panties in a twist.
     
  48. Solo4114

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    You know what * me off about this kind of thing?

    1.) It's an obvious marketing gimming like "ZOMG! THEY KILLED [insert major character who obviously is not dead and the only question is how they'll explain the character's inevitable return]!!!!!!" If it happens in story context, nobody cares. If they announce it, though, it generates headlines. It's all just stupid.

    2.) It's tokenism of the worst sort. You're making a character gay to say you have a gay character. Stuff like this should either develop naturally in the story, or just be like a "Yeah, he's gay. So what?" They don't need to freakin' lampshade it every time it happens. There doesn't need to be a big "announcement" issue, or where there's some "moment" in which the big reveal happens.

    The thing is, when we treat these kinds of things as "events" or as a "big deal," all it does is further the notion of "differentness" of gay folks.

    And when you apply it to major established characters, well, that just makes it that much worse because then you can't separate the whole "This is stupid because it's commercial and because I liked the old character" from any sense of discrimination otherwise. If someone says "WTF?! Why'd they make Spider-Man a socialist?!" the response of "You're just a capitalist oppressive pig-dog!" Well, no, maybe I just don't like the fact that you're throwing a completely random turn into my beloved comic book purely to gin up headlines and outrage.

    I mean, if they started a new character who also happened to be a socialist, great. Who cares? And the comics companies know this. Which is EXACTLY why they mess around with established heroes, and which is EXACTLY why whenever they do, it almost always ends up being a mistake that they later undo. "No, no, just kidding. Aquaman isn't black. That was actually just his cousin who took over for 8 issues." And it's not like anyone would object to a black aquatically based superhero. Nobody would CARE. What they care about is that the company mucked around with an ESTABLISHED superhero and changed them for the sake of tokenism, which, to my way of thinking, ought to be equally offensive all around.
     
  49. rodneyfaile

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    What if its just more than an announcement? What if there is a very good story written to go along with? One that describes the character as having always been gay, and tells what they have been through? The character could be someone others could identify with as they struggle to come out of the closet. What if they make it part of the character from now on?

    I think its cool that this is happening. Im not gay, but Captain Jack Harkness is one of the coolest characters ever! Its just becoming part of normalcy, in fact, I think it would be abnormal for one of the characters to NOT come out of the closet.

    And I think its cool that it isn't a new character. That would be more of a token. Someone struggling with who they are is a story people can identify with.
     
  50. Capn

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    I don't know,...I'm torn between Guy Gardner (sleeveless leather vest anyone?) and Bwana Beast....
     

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