Han Solo Holster - Screen Accurate Pattern

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Crazylegsmurphy, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Hans Olo

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    @ jazkaat: re-read post #52 onwards. The edges of the ANH pouches were not folded outward and sewn to the belt, but folded inward and fastened some other way, maybe just glued on the belt. The second discovery is that the pouches on the rh side were probably all made from one single piece of leather, although this is not general consensus, I believe.

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    These are, in my opinion, two most relevant discoveries Crazylegsmurphy made in this thread. The ANH Holster is different from the others in more ways than was generally believed.
    @Crazylegsmurphy: Having re-read post #52 myself, I had an idea about "the mysterious flying disc". What if the disc was fastened slightly off-center and was simply spinning around eccentrically on the belt? This might easily account for the different positions of the disc you noticed in the same scene.
     
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  2. Crazylegsmurphy

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    That makes sense. It could have been installed off-centre. I had another thought though....it just ripped/stretched. I suspect that disk got bashed around a lot when sitting down, moving, running, etc. There is a chance on this holster it was knocked, causing the leather to rip or stretch, allowing the disk to droop a bit.

    I can't see any indication on the screen used one that it was off-centre, however... there may have been a few versions of the holster and this one (perhaps a stunt one) wasn't built as well, or in worse shape.
     
  3. jazkaat

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    Ok, I can get on that bandwagon. No stiches...
    I've not seen this pic before, gives up the secret of the holster/buckle interface. [​IMG]

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  4. Hans Olo

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    After all, we still have not been able to find out how the ANH leather belt was fastened to the hook. Obviously there are no rivets (this is one of the main issues on Todd's hardware), and glueing alone certainly wouldn't stand the strain.
     
  5. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Just a reminder that I will be streaming today. I will be discussing Episode 7 buckles, but also addressing a few things brought up in the last few posts.

    Check my Twitch or Youtube for times (3pm PDT)

    see you there.
     
  6. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Hey.

    I didn't know any other way to update everyone. I have missed the last two streams, both due to SAR calls. I am going to try and get a stream going tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.
     
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  7. Sabs

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    Could it be that since the pouches are clearly folded from one piece, they are simply riveted in a few places on the inside? Sewing is less likely because you probably couldn't get a needle in there. Alternatively, is the edging on the leather pressed in? or is it a second layer of leather? In which case, if the pouches are sewn/riveted to that layer, and that layer is glued and riveted along to the second layer, the rivets of the pouches and the stitches would not be visible from the inside. I guess there are no images of the belt from the back/inside? that would solve a lot of mysteries.


    Also if you still need 3D modellers, I'm ready to help. Just send me some technical drawings.


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  8. Hans Olo

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    As rivets seem to be the predominant fastening system on the ANH belt, it makes sense to assume that the pouches were riveted to the belt, too. Actually, that is the path I'll follow if I'll ever find the time to finish my own holster (It is still lacking the pouches just because I was not sure how to fasten them).
     
  9. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Hey.

    I am back from vacation and will be addressing this and the post below in my next stream. I have some thoughts and photos to show.

    Sabs, I'll PM you shortly about the 3D modelling.

    Thanks!
     
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  10. thd9791

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    I wanted to add, in the Star Wars Costumes book it says one of the challenges was to keep all fasteners hidden, or not use them when it came to clothing and costumes. Seemed to give the movie a more fantasy appeal, and I'm glad they did - even though I hadn't realized it until reading the book.
     
  11. old willy

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    Hey all, Just checking in again. Thanks for the videos Crazylegs, I am in the same camp as other with my random schedule not allowing me to watch live but I have checked out the youtube stuff. Keep up the great work. I really need to start a page for yet another DL44 build but I have enjoyed reading the others I think I should share too..:)
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  12. old willy

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    Hey just finished watching your recent youtube update, Keep them coming! I am looking forward to the end result!!
    Check out the Youtube feed guys, this project is far from dead, some really detailed work is being done and I am sure the end results are going to make us all happy!
     
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  13. Egon

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    Hope there's some progress on this project! While we wait, I wanted to show off a holster I made for someone with all the info provided and researched in this thread! Thanks to everyone who contributed! IMG_4467.JPG
     
  14. maxhebus

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    pretty cool! :)
     
  15. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Egon!

    Well done, Sir! That looks fantastic.

    I would like to review it on my upcoming video if you don't mind?
     
  16. Egon

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    Thank you Crazylegsmurphy! I couldn't have done it without your research.

    I'd love to see my build in one of your videos! But, do you mind holding off on this one? I am building myself a 38 inched - this one is a 44 so some of the scaling is off for the screen used. I also got a beautiful Latigo hide for this next personal ESB that I think is a great color match.
     
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  17. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Sure thing, but this one turned out really well. If there was some kind of Centurion status like the 501st have, I would give it to you for sure. I think you did a fantastic job.

    Is everything custom?
     
  18. Egon

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    Thank you! High praise!

    I did all the leather work, the hardware is from HDC Cosplay. It is a very nice heavy steel. Actually has the only droid caller clip I have seen that will hold the droid caller. I am pretty sure the disc is a Disco Trooper compared to the others I purchased separately from Disco Trooper.

    This one is a veg tanned leather that was about 7oz. Being an ESB I stitched the pockets on, and left the edges of everything but the holster piece itself raw and not burnished. I did slightly weather this one as well with some shoe polish and rubbing alcohol to pull the dye back off.
     
  19. Mechanized2400

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    Egon very nice work, your rigs are some art of their own. I’m thinking of tackling a one myself.

    I wear a 29-30 inch waist so it’s hard to find something accurate to my size.

    Do you have recommendations for leather weight used for the holster and main belt body? Also, do you use a lighter leather for the pockets?
     
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  20. Egon

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    Thank you!

    I would recommend 8oz for the holster, yoke, and belt. The pouches will definitely need to be lighter to stay crisp. I think the ANH is wafer thin, but the ESB seem to be like 3-4 oz.
     
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  21. Mechanized2400

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    Epic, man. Thank you very much. I had a thought the pockets would be lighter just wasn’t positive. I appreciate the tips :thumbsup
     
  22. Egon

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    Of course! I will be making a few more of these rigs soon, so feel free to shoot any questions my way and I can send some photos etc.
     
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  23. Crazylegsmurphy

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    I just realized you're selling these. That is cool, but I hope you realize as per my rules of the holster, anyone selling will recieve the full scrutiny of my review. :D
     
  24. Mechanized2400

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    awesome, man. Thank you very much, I appreciate the help and I’ll probably definitely end up needing som advice along the way.

    I also checked out your Instagram and the ‘in-progress’ pictures/videos are super helpful.
     
  25. Egon

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    Hah of course. I already shipped this one, but I will provide some detailed photos of my new build. My personal one will feature some modded Todd's hardware, but I will also bet doing another ANH with the HDC hardware. I'll keep you posted ;)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Great - happy to help. I will post some more progress photos tomorrow ! :D
     
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  26. Storm

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    Very impressive work !! :)

    Is there a download link for the last version pattern ? With pants it is the last part to build for my costume.
     
  27. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Not quite yet.
     
  28. TK-326

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    I'm working on a Tobias Beckett holster rig. I could use some help/advice on how the straps connect to the buckles. I assume it's in a similar fashion to how you've worked it out here in this wonderful thread.

    Take a look over here if you are so inclined: https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=287418
     
  29. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Hello All,

    I am on the hunt for the Solo back buckle. If you have come across any photos/videos showing the rear buckle, please post a link.

    Thanks!
     
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  30. kman

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    It's similar to the ANH back buckle, but a bit different (of course... like the front). Same basic shape as ANH back, but wider.
     
  31. Hoppy81

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    I'm almost done wother my 3d printed blaster and I'm itching to get started on the holster and hardware!
     
  32. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Hello,
    Are you a proficient photographer with a decent camera (with decent zoom)? Do you live in the Hollywood area near ArcLight Hollywood theatre? If so, could you please send me a private message regarding a top secret Imperial mission?
    Thanks!
     
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  33. DavidPalmer4515

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    Hey Crazylegsmurphy,

    I lurked on this thread 3 years ago when I made my last Han Solo holster, and now I'm back doing further research for new ones. My main question is whether the exact dimensions of the Droid Caller clip have ever been figured out for each movie? And if you ever found help with the 3D Modeling you needed. If not I can refer some interested parties.

    Thanks Man.
     
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  34. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Hey,

    The short answer. Yes.

    The longer answer is that I have spent a lot of time looking at each one and have added them into the book. The only one I'm just finishing up is the Solo one. I did get a few previously unseen Episode IV photos so I want to go back and double check before release.

    I was able to figure out the dimensions using exact measurements of the different droid caller types and other references.

    The book is literally weeks away from release if all goes well. I am still looking for a 3D modeller. I had a guy that was really keen and seemed to have the skills, but there seemed to be a mixup and it fizzled out. If you know of a modelling ninja that thinks in the scale of detail down to atoms, please send them my way. :D
     
  35. DavidPalmer4515

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    Hey CLM, thanks for the response. iamseanfields from project 842 is a friend and I reached out to him explaining this project. He told me to send you his way. He's the guy behind the Full Size Battle Droid and the shore trooper/tank trooper 3D models.
     
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  36. Wailonskydog

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    Not sure if this is still an issue as I haven't completely read through the whole thread, but there are probably a few set screws threaded though the back of the hook and then through the leather. That keeps the leather in place very securely without visible rivets or holes on the outside. I've seen belt buckles attached this way before.

    Also, I'm just getting into the Han holster rig as I've also started my DL-44 build, but I'm a professional leather worker and can probably offer some decent advice one way or another so I'll keep an eye out over here.
     
  37. Doozer1

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    Found this a while back and its a great source for all of you trying to figure out the buckles. Its actually a great tutorial for anyone looking to get into this project.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws0wEKatT58
     
  38. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Great video. I saw it a while back as well. Thanks for sharing.

    Just keep in mind these are not screen accurate at all. The original buckles were not constructed like this.
     
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  40. CWOODREPLICAS

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    Any news on the project? Im looking to build one soon ! Would love to get it right first time round
     
  41. Jedar

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    Crazylegsmurphy, can't wait till the book is available. Been reading this post for a while. Next month I've signed up for a leatherworks class and my project will be the Han Solo holster and belt. The general consensus on this build is getting a template and belt hardware (not greeblies) are the hardest to get.

    If there is anywhere we can sign up for a wait list let us know...
     
  42. SmilingOtter

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    Also checking in to see if there was any progress. I've about decided I need one of these.
     
  43. punkrockchris

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    Also eagerly waiting for an update. Thanks for all of the hard work on this.
     
  44. zsherman

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    So here’s a question. What are the differences between the original trilogy holster and the one used in the stand alone SOLO film?


    Sent from my Starfleet-issue communicator
     
  45. Crazylegsmurphy

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    There are many, many differences. In fact, it is much closer to the TFA and ESB versions.

    If you like, check out my video where I discuss the Solo holster a bit.

    https://youtu.be/Wp5cQGuOHhE
     
  46. Egon

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    Very excited about this! Happy to see I might have made a contribution to this project! I also have a couple more theories I want to share regarding the episode 4 rig and 5 rig. I don’t want to derail the thread but is it okay to post my theory?

    Edit : I want to add real quick that referencing Empire was just in regard to the display configuration in whichbthis particular holster portion (not belt) was displayed and photographed in the costume book. These things seem to get switched around a lot in displays, exhibits, etc
     
  47. Crazylegsmurphy

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    Of course. The more information the better and the more discussion the more chance we will sort out the mysteries. :D
     
  48. Egon

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    Excellent!

    It will be easier if I refer to the whole holster configuration as the "rig" and the yoke/holster itself as the "holster."

    I think we had a miscommunication on a few things. The holster was shown in the OT costume book on the "ESB" set up. This is problematic because 1) the jacket shown is a prototype 2) the belt portion of the rig is from Jedi. It lists that the holster may have been the ANH and reused for Empire. I believe this to be true.

    This leads me to believe that this is the ONLY piece of the ANH gear that Harrison Ford wore on screen in ANH that still exists.

    For those of us who have the OT Costume book, I strongly suggest opening that up to take a look yourself.

    Now I originally reached out to CrazyLegs to point out that this is the ANH Holster and that the cap may only have a few stitches near the front of the cap, but not all the way around. It looks like there may only be a few stitches in the groove near the cap. To me, there doesn't look like enough tension to be fully stitched, and it would also be VERY neatly done considering the stitching on the ESB/ROTJ (ROTJ in particular) but that may be down to the ESB and ROTJ rigs being made in house by production and not by Bapty as the ANH Holster was.

    Here are some hallmarks that I believe show that this is the ANH Holster. I have some side by sides that show some of these characteristics (also shown in CrazyLegs video) There is a distinct crease on the holster yoke near the snaps that matches. Note - this is NOT The scratch on the ROTJ holster that makes its way around in the traveling display. This to me looks like a crease in the leather, something like latigo. There are the missing snaps, coloring etc. Also included are some shots that show the classic ANH Grooves, shape, etc.

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    Now, I think this shows that yes, this is definitely the ANH Holster.

    BUT - I believe to have some evidence that this rig was reused in Empire. However, I'm not sure if the holster was, but the belt almost certainly is worn in multiple scenes.

    I've searched literally thousands of archive photos for this research and Han research in general, and I can only find two. There are screen caps that seem to support this because of the angle of the belt portion, especially in the rear, but I can't find anything conclusive, so I won't be posting them.

    Here are the two photos that I really believe show the ANH Belt in ESB.

    The first is from the Hoth Hanger - you can see a clear difference in color between the belt and holster, as well as the lack of stitching on the belt pockets and the holsters shape is not ANH. Im doing a quick edit as looking at this photo, there seem to be rivets near the hooks leading me to believe that this was probably repaired with the rivets and put into use in ESB. These can also be seen in Hoth scene when they discover the probe droid.

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    Next, I believe this is form the med Bay scene with Luke recovering. You can see the belt clearly has the groove lines in it. Absent from the other ESB rig or ROTJ.

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    The interesting thing about that photo is that is also shows (to my eyes) no grooves in the trouser belt.

    So, no real new info on design, etc. but I think its interesting to have proof that 1) the ANH Holster exists and is, presumably, the only piece of ANH gear that Harrison Ford wore that still exists in the archives, and 2) The rig was reused in at least ESB.

    With that in mind, what will we consider canon for the ESB Rig? Will it be the stitched pockets? Will it be the ANH Belt for Hoth?

    What do you all think?
     
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  49. Davy Jones

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    Well done! Full marks.
    That is the ANH holster for sure in the book. As for the belt parts of it, I'm 100% sure that's it in the b&w picture (I can match the stains etc) and 99% sure that's it in the Hoth Hanger shot.
    The belt parts almost certainly still exist but may not be in suitable condition to be displayed.
    There are 2 or 3 holsters not including the ANH one and I think the same for the belt parts. But these were all made at the time of ESB or ROTJ. It is curious to me that after making new holster rigs, they continued to use the ANH parts, mixing them in and modifying them as needed.
     
  50. phillbarron

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    Is that an extra snap at the end of the thigh strap? When did that show up?

    Regarding the rivets added to the ANH belt on Hoth (which it certainly looks like) it might be a repair, or it might be a new hook to attach to the ESB buckle. Also, just speculating here, it was probably easier to have more than one belt available to switch between the rig over coat and the rig over trousers scenes.

    Having said that, I've no idea what the schedule was like and to my memory the coat is only worn in the hangar, not any of the corridors/medical bay/command centre shots.
     

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