Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC (and now also a Maurshin) m712 airsoft pistol
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Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Great picture and thank you for sharing. This picture definately proves an HFC was used. In my earlier post I showed factory markings on the HFC hammer matched the teaser poster. Now you can clearly see the grips and screw hardware are HFC. The number of grooves (11) also match the display. The select fire switch on the left side is removable. I believe a simple conversion was done to convert this M712 design to a C96 look. Here is a picture of my switch removed and a example of a conversion done with plastic panels. Overseas I have seen conversion panels produced out of thin metal.
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18609
Great picture and thank you for sharing. This picture definately proves an HFC was used. In my earlier post I showed factory markings on the HFC hammer matched the teaser poster. Now you can clearly see the grips and screw hardware are HFC. The number of grooves (11) also match the display. The select fire switch on the left side is removable. I believe a simple conversion was done to convert this M712 design to a C96 look. Here is a picture of my switch removed and a example of a conversion done with plastic panels. Overseas I have seen conversion panels produced out of thin metal.
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18609
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
This really conflicts me. In one sense I'm glad it's easier to replicate...
BUT... I'm more appalled that the prop department couldn't get it closer to the original, and did
a. a terrible job overall reimagining the original blaster prop or...
b. used inaccurate replica parts for their new version.
Was this on purpose? WHY?
This smacks of Anakin and Obi ROTS sabers to me. Kinda sorta like the originals... but not really.
This really conflicts me. In one sense I'm glad it's easier to replicate...
BUT... I'm more appalled that the prop department couldn't get it closer to the original, and did
a. a terrible job overall reimagining the original blaster prop or...
b. used inaccurate replica parts for their new version.
Was this on purpose? WHY?
This smacks of Anakin and Obi ROTS sabers to me. Kinda sorta like the originals... but not really.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Yes, that will mag will fit. I ordered through that vendor and its the one Im using now.
Yes, that will mag will fit. I ordered through that vendor and its the one Im using now.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Just an example of "that'll do" having to take priority, they probably needed about 5 firing (airsoft) examples for filming. It will look good on screen, but in the light of day not as good as the ANH one (which had a more authentic quality with the genuinely aged firearm as a base)
I'm an object nerd as well as a Star Wars fan, so to me the material quality of this prop isn't as high as the OT ones (airsoft base, plastic handle etc). But for the guys making the film, it is part of the job, so I'm not annoyed, I just don't want to make one :lol *wallet sighs in relief*
Just an example of "that'll do" having to take priority, they probably needed about 5 firing (airsoft) examples for filming. It will look good on screen, but in the light of day not as good as the ANH one (which had a more authentic quality with the genuinely aged firearm as a base)
I'm an object nerd as well as a Star Wars fan, so to me the material quality of this prop isn't as high as the OT ones (airsoft base, plastic handle etc). But for the guys making the film, it is part of the job, so I'm not annoyed, I just don't want to make one :lol *wallet sighs in relief*
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Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Does it have the notch on the side?
Does it have the notch on the side?
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Woof. Yeah, this is pretty bad. I do kinda like the super aged, rusted look ... but that's about the only thing I like. I found it a little easier to swallow that it was supposed to be a different base gun (M712) ... perhaps Han's old C96-based blaster gave out, and he recreated it on a newer, slightly updated DL-44 base, robbing his old blaster for parts (begrudgingly, because his older model had been discontinued or something) ... but it's obvious from both the details and the plaque that they are suggesting that this IS the original ANH blaster. Pretty disappointing. They didn't even swap out those grips. I mean if the prop builders had even just glanced over the DL-44 threads on this forum they could have done a better job. What's with that mystery disk? To be fair though, this is one of the first things I've seen about this film that actually disappoints me.
Woof. Yeah, this is pretty bad. I do kinda like the super aged, rusted look ... but that's about the only thing I like. I found it a little easier to swallow that it was supposed to be a different base gun (M712) ... perhaps Han's old C96-based blaster gave out, and he recreated it on a newer, slightly updated DL-44 base, robbing his old blaster for parts (begrudgingly, because his older model had been discontinued or something) ... but it's obvious from both the details and the plaque that they are suggesting that this IS the original ANH blaster. Pretty disappointing. They didn't even swap out those grips. I mean if the prop builders had even just glanced over the DL-44 threads on this forum they could have done a better job. What's with that mystery disk? To be fair though, this is one of the first things I've seen about this film that actually disappoints me.
bh1138
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Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
I figure they went with the general feel of the ANH hero as the most iconic DL-44, but they probably didn't feel as bound to the details since his ESB and ROTJ blasters (and even the Greedo killer which definitelyis supposed to be the same gun) are so totally different.
I figure they went with the general feel of the ANH hero as the most iconic DL-44, but they probably didn't feel as bound to the details since his ESB and ROTJ blasters (and even the Greedo killer which definitelyis supposed to be the same gun) are so totally different.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Yes, it has the notch on the right side. Reference my post on page 5 for a picture compared to a MGC. The quality of the HFC Mauser and replacement mag are excellent. Can't stress enough what a great pistol HFC has produced. I have seen this pistol convincingly converted to a C96 style (as production has done). Unfortunately the conversion panels appear to be no longer for sale.
Yes, it has the notch on the right side. Reference my post on page 5 for a picture compared to a MGC. The quality of the HFC Mauser and replacement mag are excellent. Can't stress enough what a great pistol HFC has produced. I have seen this pistol convincingly converted to a C96 style (as production has done). Unfortunately the conversion panels appear to be no longer for sale.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is not a c96
Have we determined with certainty which version of the HFC was used? Has anyone personally seen a blowback version of the HFC?
I'm starting to wonder if the listings that describe a blowback HFC are incorrect. I can't find any youtube videos showing the blowback action, and when I bought what I thought was a GBB version, it turned out to be disappointingly not (though in hindsight the Amazon listing was very vague).
Have we determined with certainty which version of the HFC was used? Has anyone personally seen a blowback version of the HFC?
I'm starting to wonder if the listings that describe a blowback HFC are incorrect. I can't find any youtube videos showing the blowback action, and when I bought what I thought was a GBB version, it turned out to be disappointingly not (though in hindsight the Amazon listing was very vague).
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
I don't know if this is helpful, and it probably isn't, but either because it's bragging or because it may be helpful I want to pass the info on...
in my job I happened to get 20 minutes to talk to an actor who got to do a set visit of TFA. He worked with JJ previously. He said that he was able to sneak, hold, and fire Han Solo's blaster. It obviously wasn't one that fired, must have been a stunt version, because he was able to get his hands on it and I know plenty or armorers, if it fired blanks or anything no one was getting their hands on it. He said it was all metal and when he pulled the trigger a red laser light would shine out of the barrel.
Now that hat I have typed it the info seems even less helpful, so let's call it bragging. I would just say who it was, but he said he wasn't supposed to play with the gun, and just in case I don't want him to get in any trouble.
I don't know if this is helpful, and it probably isn't, but either because it's bragging or because it may be helpful I want to pass the info on...
in my job I happened to get 20 minutes to talk to an actor who got to do a set visit of TFA. He worked with JJ previously. He said that he was able to sneak, hold, and fire Han Solo's blaster. It obviously wasn't one that fired, must have been a stunt version, because he was able to get his hands on it and I know plenty or armorers, if it fired blanks or anything no one was getting their hands on it. He said it was all metal and when he pulled the trigger a red laser light would shine out of the barrel.
Now that hat I have typed it the info seems even less helpful, so let's call it bragging. I would just say who it was, but he said he wasn't supposed to play with the gun, and just in case I don't want him to get in any trouble.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
While I fundamentally agree with you, you have to admit the new crew did much better replicating the Hero blaster than the guys did back in 1976 with an MGC and Grease Gun parts, lol. You don't really get a good look at the props in the original trilogy -- at least in the films themselves. If you had we wouldn't have had to spend so many years wasting countless hours hunting for just the right fire extinguisher -- so the overall concept should undoubtedly work on screen.
So, to my eye at least, this works exceptionally well even though the compound curves are off, the bull barrel is dodgy, and the scalloping on the flash hider is too deep, etc. It gives us another variation on the blaster to obsess over and it's fun to see that has already started
It's funny, the flash hider reminds me very much of the ones Boba Debt used to make.
While I fundamentally agree with you, you have to admit the new crew did much better replicating the Hero blaster than the guys did back in 1976 with an MGC and Grease Gun parts, lol. You don't really get a good look at the props in the original trilogy -- at least in the films themselves. If you had we wouldn't have had to spend so many years wasting countless hours hunting for just the right fire extinguisher -- so the overall concept should undoubtedly work on screen.
So, to my eye at least, this works exceptionally well even though the compound curves are off, the bull barrel is dodgy, and the scalloping on the flash hider is too deep, etc. It gives us another variation on the blaster to obsess over and it's fun to see that has already started
It's funny, the flash hider reminds me very much of the ones Boba Debt used to make.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
there's something to that... but at the same time, if WE can get as close as we can... without official LFL image archives to root through (I know the pics exist), the I don't understand the choices they made.
Hell even a denix would have worked if they needed something super readily available.
While I fundamentally agree with you, you have to admit the new crew did much better replicating the Hero blaster than the guys did back in 1976 with an MGC and Grease Gun parts, lol. You don't really get a good look at the props in the original trilogy -- at least in the films themselves. If you had we wouldn't have had to spend so many years wasting countless hours hunting for just the right fire extinguisher -- so the overall concept should undoubtedly work on screen.
So, to my eye at least, this works exceptionally well even though the compound curves are off, the bull barrel is dodgy, and the scalloping on the flash hider is too deep, etc. It gives us another variation on the blaster to obsess over and it's fun to see that has already started
It's funny, the flash hider reminds me very much of the ones Boba Debt used to make.
there's something to that... but at the same time, if WE can get as close as we can... without official LFL image archives to root through (I know the pics exist), the I don't understand the choices they made.
Hell even a denix would have worked if they needed something super readily available.
Fly4v
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Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
Glad the data plaque states a design carried since before the Civil War which gives credence to the idea that Solo had many versions of the DL-44.
For some reason, I thought the silver detail on the left side was because there was an "Imperial disk" that was glued on but later fell off leaving the machined circle. I guess the big knob is a good link to the ESB DL-44.
It is good that they used an airsoft and not a real firearm so builders can get a close to screen used as possible. But for the purists that wanted real steel, I say should be happy with what we have and that the stunt pistol didn't end up being a Rubies repaint.
Glad the data plaque states a design carried since before the Civil War which gives credence to the idea that Solo had many versions of the DL-44.
For some reason, I thought the silver detail on the left side was because there was an "Imperial disk" that was glued on but later fell off leaving the machined circle. I guess the big knob is a good link to the ESB DL-44.
It is good that they used an airsoft and not a real firearm so builders can get a close to screen used as possible. But for the purists that wanted real steel, I say should be happy with what we have and that the stunt pistol didn't end up being a Rubies repaint.
Re: Han Solo Force Awakens Blaster is HFC m712 airsoft pistol
I agree completely. Looks like a newbie job. Someone in the prop dept HAD to at least have seen the Adam Savage video.???
But I have to say, that removing the selector and adding the "pockets" on the side panel does look really good.
I've always disliked the look of the m712 because of the smooth side panels. Looks cheap.
I agree completely. Looks like a newbie job. Someone in the prop dept HAD to at least have seen the Adam Savage video.???
But I have to say, that removing the selector and adding the "pockets" on the side panel does look really good.
I've always disliked the look of the m712 because of the smooth side panels. Looks cheap.
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