GHOSTBUSTERS Pre-Release - film discussion only, no social commentary please!

[KrangPrime]

Personally, I applaud @NeilT for doing what I rather wish I'd done for JJ-Trek and Bayformers -- point out everything wrong with their approaches over and over and loudly in the hopes that each time someone who hadn't seen it last time would this time and stop and think about it and maybe, just maybe, realize I'm right. I'm not as passionate about Ghostbusters as I am about Star Trek, Star Wars, and Transformers. I've done a lot of after-the-fact grumbling, but at the time I was willing to "give them a chance". Now, as @Solo4114 has said elsewhere, I'm done "giving them a chance". When I am partway through the first teaser and go "wait... what the hell?", something's wrong there. When I have behind-the-scenes info about the approach the filmmakers have for the project that runs utterly counter to the spirit of the original, that needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

It is remarkably freeing, isn't it? I used to be reserved and I still try to be respectful. As I stated before, the first time it happened with someone was a producer on this new nickelodians turtles show. I was on the fence with this show since it started, but because I Was a huge turtles fan, and held high respect for eastman and laird, the creators, I held back on ANY criticism. I was a member of this guys facebook page for 6 months....thought I knew the lay of the land. I followed the rules of the page for months. I also thought he could take criticism. I dared to make two comments. 1-I didn't care for the design of teenage casey jones, and 2 - I thought one character was about the level of usefulness and fun as jar jar binks.

Now, when I've said such things to Peter Laird inthe past, peter NEVER got upset. he was always more curious on WHY you thought that way and would engage you in actual discussion rather than loose you as a viewer. Peter Laird, who most turtle fans would think is rather an unsettling grump was concerned with what you thought. Not this guy. The first criticism I dared aired, I got a mini power Rant, I got F Bombed a few times, and then all his yes fans came at me with showings of support, and told me to go commit suicide.
After that, I fired back at him, and I STILL held back in check. I ALWAYS try to make sure to never regret what I write and stand by what I write.

After that, I later found out that creators of shows firing back at fans in vitrolic ways is not a new thing. and that let loose the floodgates of freedom.
It also gave way to let loose the 'give them a chance' attitude. If it looks bad, and seems bad, damn it, i'm going to say it ;o).

That said, @NeilT, I do think you reach from time to time, an dit hurts your credibility. If you confine your vitriol to the actual facts around the film and not cast that onto peripherally-related things, it makes it easier to take your main points seriously. I agree Melissa McCarthy seems to be a terrific person, but I find her a pale imitation of better comedians -- of both genders -- who have come before.
But the further out we get from that core, the less anger is warranted
--Jonah

I just wanted to point out, I didn't bring up things like the hospital visit or mcarthy's acting merrits, other people did .
I just found that 'leave mellisa mcarthy alone' article humorous enough to reply to. I don't see anyone sticking up for poor adam sandler, who's gotten trashed far longer for bad movies ;o). both deserve to be poked fun at a bit.

I also don't feel sorry one bit for paul feig. he knew he was wrong for the job, yet cause he was nagged, he took it anyway. no willpower. deserves every bit of blame and criticism.
I feel sorry for dan and ivan the most. they have to put on a happy face like they are OK with the whole situation and that everyone gets along like one big happy family.
thanks to the sony leaks, we all know how they really feel, heh.

I still find it curious that Dan Aykroyd has practically vanished for months from the spotlight. either conveniently on another project, or got told to do another project. it's mostly been reitman and feig doing publicity.

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Oh my god how embarrassing. I had multiple threads open and I must have switched them and goofed up and didnt even realize. Sorry about that! Ill just shut up now :lol !

No worries, we trash tmnt here too, so it's all good... so long as it doesn't detract from trashing FeigBusters ;o)

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and finally, seriously. for all who don't like me, PLEASE put me on the ignore list.

you'll all be much healthier for it than bashing what I do ;o).

 

[d_osborn]

...the first time it happened with someone was a producer on this new nickelodians turtles show. I was on the fence with this show since it started, but because I Was a huge turtles fan, and held high respect for eastman and laird, the creators, I held back on ANY criticism. I was a member of this guys facebook page for 6 months....thought I knew the lay of the land. I followed the rules of the page for months. I also thought he could take criticism. I dared to make two comments. 1-I didn't care for the design of teenage casey jones, and 2 - I thought one character was about the level of usefulness and fun as jar jar binks.

Now, when I've said such things to Peter Laird inthe past, peter NEVER got upset. he was always more curious on WHY you thought that way and would engage you in actual discussion rather than loose you as a viewer. Peter Laird, who most turtle fans would think is rather an unsettling grump was concerned with what you thought. Not this guy. The first criticism I dared aired, I got a mini power Rant, I got F Bombed a few times, and then all his yes fans came at me with showings of support, and told me to go commit suicide.

So you knock an artist's work on his personal social media profile and are shocked when he lashes out at you? You don't walk up to a guy in a bar and start bashing his work to his face-- that's how bar fights get started.

I still find it curious that Dan Aykroyd has practically vanished for months from the spotlight. either conveniently on another project, or got told to do another project. it's mostly been reitman and feig doing publicity.

Aside from a possible techno-jargon polish on the script, Aykroyd has been hands-off on the GB reboot. It's not shocking he isn't in the spotlight. He's a producer in name only. Last I heard, he was touring with his Blues Brothers act. I'm sure he'll surface some once the marketing hits full stride, though.

I also don't feel sorry one bit for paul feig. he knew he was wrong for the job, yet cause he was nagged, he took it anyway. no willpower. deserves every bit of blame and criticism.
I feel sorry for dan and ivan the most. they have to put on a happy face like they are OK with the whole situation and that everyone gets along like one big happy family.
thanks to the sony leaks, we all know how they really feel, heh.

I sincerely doubt Feig would want you to feel sorry for him. He's directing a huge tentpole movie for, what, $10mil plus points? I'm sure he's doing fine in his career. He pitched his GB idea to Sony and they went for it-- he wasn't forced to do the project.

...and again with the leaked Sony emails. Stakes are high, careers/reputations/legacies are on the line, 20 years in developement, LOTS of money is being spent while even more money is being left on the table every year a new GB movie isn't made--- and on top of that, it's in a collaborative creative project with a ton of eyes on it. Tempers flare, egos get bruised, handshakes and hugs happen and the project moves on. If at any point Feig and Reitman/Aykroyd hated each other, the reboot wouldn't have hit production.

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I'm a snarky mo-fo! I edited down some of the sass. Neil, do what you do, man. Who am I to try and say otherwise.

 

[batguy]

I've done a lot of after-the-fact grumbling, but at the time I was willing to "give them a chance". Now, as @Solo4114 has said elsewhere, I'm done "giving them a chance". When I am partway through the first teaser and go "wait... what the hell?", something's wrong there. When I have behind-the-scenes info about the approach the filmmakers have for the project that runs utterly counter to the spirit of the original, that needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

This.

Trailers and BTS and stuff are advertisements. Marketing. The filmmakers/studio don't plead with fans not to judge a project too early when the buzz is good based on the slightest of footage or info. ("Chewie, we're home.")

So if the early buzz rubs us the wrong way, it's their problem. Not ours.

I feel bad for Paul that he got harangued into doing a film he didn't want to do and now he's getting roasted for it.

Feig was hired to reboot GB correctly. He is EMPLOYED at this. It's his JOB.

If you hire a carpenter to build you a table, then you expect him to build you a table.
If that carpenter specializes in chairs, and he starts building a table that looks more like a chair, and explains that he "never really got the appeal of tables" and "chairs are his thing" . . . you fire him. He may be talented but he wasn't doing his job.



If Feig didn't want to make GB, he didn't have to accept millions of dollars to do it.

If Feig never understood the appeal of GB, and just didn't "get it", well that's unfortunate. But how much homework did he do?
Did he go to conventions & talk to GB fans?
Watch the movies & cartoons heavily? Read new & old reviews of the movies/TV?
Surf GB net forums & hear fan talk?
Spend days with Ackroyd & Reitman discussing GB?

I would be a lot more sympathetic to Feig if we were feeling some effort & reverence from him.
Look at JJA and Star Wars - even if TFA had sucked I would never have blamed JJA for not respecting the franchise and trying his hardest to do it justice. JJA's effort & respect for Star Wars was clear long before the movie came out.


This is an industry wide problem and I'm sure Pascal & Sony itself deserve blame too.

 

[KrangPrime]

This.

Trailers and BTS and stuff are advertisements. Marketing. The filmmakers/studio don't plead with fans not to judge a project too early when the buzz is good based on the slightest of footage or info. ("Chewie, we're home.")

So if the early buzz rubs us the wrong way, it's their problem. Not ours.






Feig was hired to reboot GB correctly. He is EMPLOYED at this. It's his JOB.


If Feig didn't want to make GB, he didn't have to accept millions of dollars to do it.
Look at JJA and Star Wars - even if TFA had sucked I would never have blamed JJA for not respecting the franchise and trying his hardest to do it justice. JJA's effort & respect for Star Wars was clear long before the movie came out.


This is an industry wide problem and I'm sure Pascal & Sony itself deserve blame too.

Case in point, JJ and Star Trek. I feel very strongly that JJ took star trek because it was 'close enough' in his mind to BE star wars, with just a few slight changes.
So, he upped the action, he made the pace faster, and, in true reboot fashion, changed things that didn't need to be changed (like the enterprise design giving them goofy bulky nacelles, and the Iphone bridge). Then, when he 'proved' to the industry he can do science fiction in space, he got the attention of his true focus, star wars.

What Ifind interesting is the new star trek series isn't taking place in the JJ verse, but the ORIGINAL continuity. could that be paramount wising up to the fact that they made a mistake? do they think Star Trek Beyond will bomb that bad that they are already taking counter measures? it's kind of an odd decision, as most companies once they get a new continuity, don't move forward with the old one.

But as for feig, exactly right. He only got interested when he knew he had enough sway and power to bring in his usual formula.
that's not good for the movie, not good for the franchise, and certainly not good for the fans.
From Day one sony knew no one would be interested in this, but the real die hards who would accept anything with a no ghost logo on it. yet they went ahead with it anyway.:thumbsdown

Reaction online to this new ghostbsuters game seems pretty close to that of the movie. a game that looks like not much effort went into producing it.

And now sony has another inexplicable decision coming in this MIB/JumpStreet crossover. I've never seen either of them, but are the two universes really that complimentary to each other that it needs to be done?

or if they aren't, who thinks that crossing over two vastly different series is a good idea?

 

[Krull]

I dunno if you can count me into the hate group,but I will say I just don't care one wit about this GB film and I think it's gonna be this year's bomb movie wise and why do I think that? because to me it looks dumb as dirt and the cast doesn't look like they have anything together and they all feel flat,and the more I watch the more confused I get as it's like seeing those parts of Feig films I've had the misfortune of seeing before,nothing different just a new setting.

Mind I'm not a "fan" of anything,I like what I like irregardless of any past enjoyment of the franchise,and in fact I have no real ties to old stuff I watched as a kid since most of it was drek in retrospect.

 

[KrangPrime]

Mind I'm not a "fan" of anything,I like what I like irregardless of any past enjoyment of the franchise,and in fact I have no real ties to old stuff I watched as a kid since most of it was drek in retrospect.

You've made Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling creator weep with sadness ;o)....


It's odd....If I like something as a kid, 95% of the time, I'll like it again and appreciate it more as an adult.

Thundercats took a LONG time to get used to again..but once you get past the over dramatic acting, the action and fun of the series shines through.
Knight Rider is always entertaining popcorn.

Back to the Future the animated series has aged rather well.
Syndicated Real Ghostbusters stands out as one of the best movie to tv adaptions ever done IMHO...

I dunno..

Maybe because I grew up in the 80s, my level of quality is put really, really low on the totem poll and i'm usually able to enjoy more, so long as it tries to proceed naturally in development. or is just plani goofy fun.


http://www.etonline.com/media/video..._from_the_set_of_the_hilarious_reboot-186773/

why does every interviewer have to ask 'oh youre kicking ass' or 'oh, this is pretty intense'. why are they trying so hard to make them sound like bad asses? all these interviews from the set just seem cringeworthy.

 

[jettajeffro]

Great article on Cracked from an extra on set:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-i-learned-as-extra-new-ghostbusters/

 

[KrangPrime]

remind me never to click on any article supporting this movie.

I didn't need to read past the first sentence to figure out where this was going to go...'Sony Pictures shot its controversial-because-boobs blockbuster Ghostbusters'.....
sigh. notice how every article tends to make fun of the detractors, or has to point out how 'bad ass' the 'ladies' are. I thought this was supposed to be a comedy, not a ego stroking action flick?

What have my favorite franchises reduced themselves too? When you have paul feig talking to john stamos about topics best not brought up here (google it).......and Turtles being reduced to talking about meghan fox pregnancy gossip......it's all about the 5 minutes of fame starletts rather than the property itself these days..

It also seems to be about making paul feig famous. idiot is everywhere now.
sigh.

 

[d_osborn]

Great article on Cracked from an extra on set:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-i-learned-as-extra-new-ghostbusters/

Great read! Thanks for posting. No, it's not some overly-positive fluff piece. It's a great breakdown of a non-pro extra's time on the set. It's more about the industry than it is the movie. Wiig sounds really nice.

sigh. notice how every article tends to make fun of the detractors...

You guys just make it way too easy. ;o)

Fun new promo pics!

 

[KrangPrime]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-ghostbusters-katie-dippold-20160424-story.html

These articles aren't even really trying anymore.

The more I try to stay away form this mess, the more my eyes see stuff either tagged, or 'suggested' that just annoys the hell out of me.

How come every article needs to bash the fan base, or bring up the few minor idiots that would be hateful to anything no matter what the topic was about? you've had film makers on the defensive..an indecisive company not sure what to do from the start. you've had dan and ivan so desperate to get GB going that they'd use this mess to jump start it, in the hopes they can jury rig it back on track once fig newton is gone. you've had fans against this idea from day one. and it's only gotten worse the more that's come out...


Logic flies in the face of everything that has gotten us to this point, all because of Billy Murray being an ass.
I've never seen a train wreck of this proportion before..

but the one thing I can't figure out is, who is this movie supposed to be for? So far, they've done a remarkable job of alienating just about everyone. unless, maybe, that is the point? Create so much controversy that when it fails (and all indication is that they think it will), it'll be quickly forgotten...and they can recover with another film.

That's the only thing I can work out on this whole mess...

It's really quite frustrating...as much as Episode 7 copied episode 4, it still had enough new in it to be fun. just like phantom menace before it. Think of all the good will that could have been generated if they found the right writer for GB to bring back Ernie and Dan as recruiters? I still don't know why they didn't hire the video games writers. they knew their stuff before dan and harold polished it up. sigh.

Well, two more months to get through....then maybe things can get back to abnormal.

 

[karmajay]

Wiki says its budget was 154 million. It seems it will probably be profitable. You may want to get the "intentional failure" idea out of your head.

 

[jettajeffro]

Must be when they first meet Patty

 

[Wes R]

I still prefer the source material from the 80s for stuff even if it is pretty bad by standards now. Is it me or does the female Egon look like the cartoon Egon with that hair?

 

[Snikt]

Great article on Cracked from an extra on set:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-i-learned-as-extra-new-ghostbusters/

I read that, and Im sorry, it was NOT a great article in my opinion, and I read cracked everyday. Not only was this not written by one of their regulars, but its obviously a damage control piece/fluff article. How can you not think so? The last point on the article is basically an F you to any detractors of the movie. Thats the whole point of the article. "If you dont like this movie you are stupid and or sexist. Oh and I was an extra, and make sure you work nights. " :facepalm

"The power of Patty compels you"? Oh man. After seeing those promos, I REALLY want this movie to fail. Badly. Like...Battlefield Earth badly.

 

[jettajeffro]

It was nice that it wasn't written by a fan and didn't give much support for "the set was a living hell" stories. I also read Cracked everyday and I think it's gone downhill a bit. Only seems like 1 out of every 10 articles is worthwhile these days.

Empire covers:

 

[KrangPrime]

I read that, and Im sorry, it was NOT a great article in my opinion, and I read cracked everyday. Not only was this not written by one of their regulars, but its obviously a damage control piece/fluff article. How can you not think so? The last point on the article is basically an F you to any detractors of the movie. Thats the whole point of the article. "If you dont like this movie you are stupid and or sexist. Oh and I was an extra, and make sure you work nights. " :facepalm

"The power of Patty compels you"? Oh man. After seeing those promos, I REALLY want this movie to fail. Badly. Like...Battlefield Earth badly.

I only needed to read the first sentence to figure that out ;o). that's pretty much how every article comes across.
It's gotten to the point where you could create a drinking game around it. Drink 2 if the article is sony sponsored. Drink 4 if the article trashes the fans. Drink 5 if they mention misogny ;o). You know, at this point, i wouldn't put it past sony to be the ones creating the truly horrible posts online. creating their own fail excuse ;o).

that's why it's so much fun to bash this thing relentlessly in this millennial 'constant bad opinions are evil and insane' world ;o).

They aren't even trying to hide the fact that these are bought and paid for articles anymore. every single one and every single interview reads the same!

 

[Snikt]

It was nice that it wasn't written by a fan and didn't give much support for "the set was a living hell" stories. I also read Cracked everyday and I think it's gone downhill a bit. Only seems like 1 out of every 10 articles is worthwhile these days.

Empire covers:

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Now that I can agree with. Did they get bought out by someone?

 

[jettajeffro]

Now that I can agree with. Did they get bought out by someone?

Probably, ads have taken it over making it almost unbearable to read and most articles are increasingly just copies of previous ones.

 

[Krull]

One thing I've learned about the internet the last...oh,maybe seven or so years:you're free to do whatever and say whatever you want so long as it's what you're supposed to say and feel :facepalm

Many,many little hall monitors on sites from mods to just busy bodies who think everything needs policing so the free for all that this film is bringing isn't surprising.

Here's the thing for the anti haters using me as an example-At first I just wasn't sure,we had that other thread which devolved into something else but I was onboard there,some of the film's choices were...well just odd and seemed to be very PC and gave very little thought to the source film,big meh,it's good it's good I'll watch it......

Now we're here and the trailer's out and I can say this film looks like it may be the summer's box office bomb,but knowing the general public's mental level I could very well be wrong however I'm going farther and farther into DGAF territory and getting very close to just not wanting to see it at all,period,not even interested in clips or whatnot as I'm just not into "Fig Newton's" (great name for him BTW :lol) brand of humor.

So unless it gets rave reviews and people of all walks singing it's praises I doubt I'll even notice it's passing and just hope if they do that alternate all male version it does better (PC crap shoved aside and forget it,okay?)

*ETA*

I do know one thing I'm not a fan of Fig at all and if this blows up and sinks I will be boycotting the guy's works as it's bad enough he sucks but if he goes and makes a mess of a film I actually liked then he's on the poop list.

 

[KrangPrime]

One thing I've learned about the internet the last...oh,maybe seven or so years:you're free to do whatever and say whatever you want so long as it's what you're supposed to say and feel :facepalm

Or, in some cases, what the majority of usually regulars think should be said...people tend to group together these days. As has been my experience on OTHER MBs I've left.

I've noticed a dramatic shift in internet postings started in the last 6 or so years myself. Talking has gone down. getting lumped and dismissed as 'haters' has gone up. Over Emotional warriors response has gone up. Group gang ons of the unpopular opinion has gone up. you can't dislike anything or dislike it constantly anymore. there really are very few safe places to discuss things, either pro or con, without getting beat up about it one way or another...and sometimes it's tough not to fall into that trap and do it to someone else as well, with the way the internet has become so fevered lately.

Remember the good times when we ALL hated Jar Jar binks? Now he has supporters ;o) this is why I prefer serperate pro and bashing threads. makes it more civil for the extremes on both sides. oh well.. to coin an annoying phrase, 'it is what it is...'

or, to use an appropriate universe themed quote, considering i'm the most hated target on here ;o)..




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