Film series that should have been left alone.

[batguy]

And most other things that come out. Snow White is just a special kind of stupid. This year, so far, has been terrible for the film industry, with 4 out of the last 5 weeks under $55 million TOTAL for all films in release.

We are seeing the end of Hollywood as we've known it.

Giant-budget movies, and giant profits from theater releases. Both are gonna be extinct soon.


The 'Snow White' remake has been a slow-mo trainwreck for a couple years now and I still can't muster up any sympathy. It's too obvious that the project should not have been attempted.

It's like trying to remake 'Gone with the Wind' today. Making a few specific changes won't cover it. The whole thing clashes with modern Disney's outlook from the ground up. They could have saved $400m by being more realistic about their limitations.

 

[dascoyne]

It's not too late to recut Snow White into a different movie.

"Se7en Dwarves and a Box" It practically writes itself.

 

[Cephus]

We are seeing the end of Hollywood as we've known it.

Giant-budget movies, and giant profits from theater releases. Both are gonna be extinct soon.


The 'Snow White' remake has been a slow-mo trainwreck for a couple years now and I still can't muster up any sympathy. It's too obvious that the project should not have been attempted.

It's like trying to remake 'Gone with the Wind' today. Making a few specific changes won't cover it. The whole thing clashes with modern Disney's outlook from the ground up. They could have saved $400m by being more realistic about their limitations.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. If Hollywood wants to survive, it needs to fundamentally reinvent itself and produce the kind of movies that a paying audience is willing to pay to see. That's not what they are doing right now. Their absurdly bloated budgets make it virtually impossible to make money and eventually, they're going to run out of people willing to fund their folly.

They need to hire actors that know how to shut the hell up. They need to slash budgets to the bone. They need to stop producing spectacle and start telling good stories. They need to stop relying on remakes and sequels and do something original. I have not seen a single of the Disney live-action remakes. These days, I refuse to watch anything made under the Disney brand. They have done themselves in, both with their choices, which have been uniformly bad, and their biases, which are blatant. They've stopped trying to entertain the audience because they, like so many in Hollywood these days, think they DESERVE your money, they don't have to actually EARN it.

That's why they keep failing and will continue to do so.

 

[joberg]

That's not necessarily a bad thing. If Hollywood wants to survive, it needs to fundamentally reinvent itself and produce the kind of movies that a paying audience is willing to pay to see. That's not what they are doing right now. Their absurdly bloated budgets make it virtually impossible to make money and eventually, they're going to run out of people willing to fund their folly.

They need to hire actors that know how to shut the hell up. They need to slash budgets to the bone. They need to stop producing spectacle and start telling good stories. They need to stop relying on remakes and sequels and do something original. I have not seen a single of the Disney live-action remakes. These days, I refuse to watch anything made under the Disney brand. They have done themselves in, both with their choices, which have been uniformly bad, and their biases, which are blatant. They've stopped trying to entertain the audience because they, like so many in Hollywood these days, think they DESERVE your money, they don't have to actually EARN it.

That's why they keep failing and will continue to do so.

"They need to hire actors that know how to shut the hell up." But that's the trend for quite a few years now...not only the activist actors/actresses but also the directors, the people at the very top, etc...They're pushing their narrative in those big franchise and it's just not working!
When you have to put warning labels on every single movie to avoid triggering those people, you've lost the plot already

 

[Cephus]

"They need to hire actors that know how to shut the hell up." But that's the trend for quite a few years now...not only the activist actors/actresses but also the directors, the people at the very top, etc...They're pushing their narrative in those big franchise and it's just not working!
When you have to put warning labels on every single movie to avoid triggering those people, you've lost the plot already

Nobody wants to hear it but they can't shut up and realize how badly they're harming their own brands and careers. When more than half the country refuses to see Snow White because Rachel Zegler said she doesn't want Trump voters to see her movies, she's going to scream and cry because the whole thing flops.

These people are idiots.

 

[drusselmeyer]

We can extrapolate from this:

G: My fight's not with you chika.
R: I beg to differ Sir
G: Well alright then...
R: Say when. Oh, you're no daisy. You're no daisy at all.

LoL

Ah, not too many Blade Runner/Tombstone crossover fans I see.

 

[batguy]

The thing with actors tweeting dumb stuff baffles me. The studios could contractually/financially force them to tweet more carefully. It's not that hard.

It's like banning kids from having cell phones in the classroom. It's obviously necessary and I can't believe the system is taking so long to get there.


Having said that, IMO the public also needs to grow up and accept that actors have a right to their own beliefs. If you can't deal with anyone who likes/hates a president then you can't deal with normal daily life. The actors should not be too obnxious about their opinions (there's a time & place for political talk) and the public should not be deciding whether to watch a movie based on one actor's opinions. A big movie is the work of hundreds of people.

The whole thing is just silly IMO. Many actors are personal disasters in some way or another. A-holes, addicts, bad parents, etc. Screening them for politics is not enough to avoid supporting bad people. The same goes for choosing a plumber to fix your hot water heater.

 

[cboath]

That's not necessarily a bad thing. If Hollywood wants to survive, it needs to fundamentally reinvent itself and produce the kind of movies that a paying audience is willing to pay to see. That's not what they are doing right now. Their absurdly bloated budgets make it virtually impossible to make money and eventually, they're going to run out of people willing to fund their folly.

They need to hire actors that know how to shut the hell up. They need to slash budgets to the bone. They need to stop producing spectacle and start telling good stories. They need to stop relying on remakes and sequels and do something original. I have not seen a single of the Disney live-action remakes. These days, I refuse to watch anything made under the Disney brand. They have done themselves in, both with their choices, which have been uniformly bad, and their biases, which are blatant. They've stopped trying to entertain the audience because they, like so many in Hollywood these days, think they DESERVE your money, they don't have to actually EARN it.

That's why they keep failing and will continue to do so.

I mean, lets be honest, name any large company making a product and you can say the same basic thing. The base logic anymore is that since i have money i should be entitled to ever increasing products 'just because'. It is the abject rarity that you find a company making the best thing they can at a price not designed to extract every last possible cent from their customers. About the only time you find a company doing what you talk about, as soon as they break through, they fall in line with everyone else.

 

[Astyanax]

The thing with actors tweeting dumb stuff baffles me. The studios could contractually/financially force them to tweet more carefully. It's not that hard.

It's like banning kids from having cell phones in the classroom. It's obviously necessary and I can't believe the system is taking so long to get there.


Having said that, IMO the public also needs to grow up and accept that actors have a right to their own beliefs. If you can't deal with anyone who likes/hates a president then you can't deal with normal daily life. The actors should not be too obnxious about their opinions (there's a time & place for political talk) and the public should not be deciding whether to watch a movie based on one actor's opinions. A big movie is the work of hundreds of people.

The whole thing is just silly IMO. Many actors are personal disasters in some way or another. A-holes, addicts, bad parents, etc. Screening them for politics is not enough to avoid supporting bad people. The same goes for choosing a plumber to fix your hot water heater.

It's never not been the case, really, but thanks to the internet it's far more widespread than a Jane Fonda or a Martin Sheen back in the day.

 

[Cephus]

It's never not been the case, really, but thanks to the internet it's far more widespread than a Jane Fonda or a Martin Sheen back in the day.

I know people who absolutely refused to see any movie that Jane Fonda was in, too. If you open your mouth, don't shove your foot in it.

 

[batguy]

Jane Fonda was a previous case of it for sure. She paid for it with career damage.


We'll see if Rachel Zegler gets another big-budget job after this.

I wonder how much she was following Disney's orders. She might really have those opinions but they also probably told her to emphasize it to the press. I think Disney would have leaned on her to "clarify" or retract certain comments if they weren't on board with it.

 

[joberg]

Jane Fonda was a previous case of it for sure. She paid for it with career damage.


We'll see if Rachel Zegler gets another big-budget job after this.

I wonder how much she was following Disney's orders. She might really have those opinions but they also probably told her to emphasize it to the press. I think Disney would have leaned on her to "clarify" or retract certain comments if they weren't on board with it.

When you're working, either for private sector or public, you should read the small print of your code of conduct while working for said company/agency. When Art, as a whole, becomes too political, I tend to run the other way

 

[Cephus]

When you're working, either for private sector or public, you should read the small print of your code of conduct while working for said company/agency. When Art, as a whole, becomes too political, I tend to run the other way

When it becomes AT ALL political, in either direction, I lose all interest. It's fine if you use politics as a jumping off point for your story, but modern movies and TV aren't remotely subtle about it. I'm watching to get away from the real world, not to have smug idiots trying to sway public opinion.

 

[joberg]

When it becomes AT ALL political, in either direction, I lose all interest. It's fine if you use politics as a jumping off point for your story, but modern movies and TV aren't remotely subtle about it. I'm watching to get away from the real world, not to have smug idiots trying to sway public opinion.

They should look at the definition of "Escapism" in the dictionary

 

[Cephus]

They should look at the definition of "Escapism" in the dictionary

They don't care about escapism. They are so fundamentally fixated on the real world that they don't understand how to get away from it. They also need to look up "fiction" because clearly, they don't know what that is.

 

[Riceball]

I meant ONLY making money. Most things in Hollywood these days are made by committee specifically for the purpose of making money with zero artistic merit or directorial voice whatsoever. Making your money back is great, but Hollywood hasn't been doing that lately, have they? It's all cookie-cutter garbage with an agenda and that fails miserably.

I'd argue that the film industry has been this way for the longest time. I'd even go as far as to say that it's been this way since there's been a film industry in Hollywood.

 

[Riceball]

The thing with actors tweeting dumb stuff baffles me. The studios could contractually/financially force them to tweet more carefully. It's not that hard.

It's like banning kids from having cell phones in the classroom. It's obviously necessary and I can't believe the system is taking so long to get there.


Having said that, IMO the public also needs to grow up and accept that actors have a right to their own beliefs. If you can't deal with anyone who likes/hates a president then you can't deal with normal daily life. The actors should not be too obnxious about their opinions (there's a time & place for political talk) and the public should not be deciding whether to watch a movie based on one actor's opinions. A big movie is the work of hundreds of people.

The whole thing is just silly IMO. Many actors are personal disasters in some way or another. A-holes, addicts, bad parents, etc. Screening them for politics is not enough to avoid supporting bad people. The same goes for choosing a plumber to fix your hot water heater.

Part of it is definitely an actor's or director's personal politics, but it becomes a whole other matter when they start insulting their {potential} and calling them ists and phobes for not having any real interest in their movie. Blaming your audience for you movie's or show's failure is never going to make it any better. All it does is increase the number of people who will not watch your show or movie. There may have been any number of people who were on the fence about watching but when you come out and start insulting them for not watching it ends up pushing them off the fence over to the not-watching side.

 

[batguy]

Part of it is definitely an actor's or director's personal politics, but it becomes a whole other matter when they start insulting their {potential} and calling them ists and phobes for not having any real interest in their movie. Blaming your audience for you movie's or show's failure is never going to make it any better. All it does is increase the number of people who will not watch your show or movie. There may have been any number of people who were on the fence about watching but when you come out and start insulting them for not watching it ends up pushing them off the fence over to the not-watching side.

The outright audience-blaming stuff is unprofessional. The producers & directors & actors who do that stuff should know better. The studio bosses should be telling them to STFU if they want to keep getting work.

It's basically a used car salesman, saying: "It's not my fault that I can't sell cars! The shoppers who come here looking are all stupid. They wouldn't know a good car if it fell out of the sky an landed on them."

 

[Cephus]

I'd argue that the film industry has been this way for the longest time. I'd even go as far as to say that it's been this way since there's been a film industry in Hollywood.

There's been a balance in the past. They actually made movies for the movie-going public and at least tried to make a profit. Today, they're not even trying. They don't know what the movie-going public wants to see, which is why just about every movie crashes and burns.

 

[Cephus]

The outright audience-blaming stuff is unprofessional. The producers & directors & actors who do that stuff should know better. The studio bosses should be telling them to STFU if they want to keep getting work.

It's basically a used car salesman, saying: "It's not my fault that I can't sell cars! The shoppers who come here looking are all stupid. They wouldn't know a good car if it fell out of the sky an landed on them."

Hollywood isn't professional. It hasn't been for a decade or more. It's a bunch of immature children screaming at the sky and pretending that the world loves them when, in fact, the world loathes them. We've allowed Hollywood to think they're special for far too long. They are just idiots whose job it is to play make believe. They have to convince us, the movie-going audience, to give them money to see their fantasy nonsense.

They are doing a very, very bad job.