Episode 9 lightsaber reveal???

[Joek3rr]

Force sensitivity is a must for making a lightsaber. Light Side followers need it to help them find the correct kyber crystal. And to prepare it for use in the saber. Dark Side followers use it to "bleed" any inert kyber crystal, as red does not occur naturally. And it would seem that the Force is necessary for correct assembly.

This is from the Star Wars Databank
"An essential rite of passage for young Jedi is the Gathering. In the Gathering, younglings go to the frigid ice world Ilum, where they search for kyber crystals to build their first lightsabers. The crystals are located in the planet’s Crystal Cave, an intimidating maze, and “call out” to the Jedi they are in tune with. Once the correct crystal has been found, younglings rendezvous with Huyang, and ancient droid who chooses the parts necessary to build a lightsaber. With everything in place, younglings complete the ritual by constructing their Jedi weapons through a graceful use of the Force."

 

[drcraig13]

Well Rebels just through everything you said out he window.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Force sensitivity is a must for making a lightsaber. Light Side followers need it to help them find the correct kyber crystal. And to prepare it for use in the saber. Dark Side followers use it to "bleed" any inert kyber crystal, as red does not occur naturally. And it would seem that the Force is necessary for correct assembly.

This is from the Star Wars Databank
"An essential rite of passage for young Jedi is the Gathering. In the Gathering, younglings go to the frigid ice world Ilum, where they search for kyber crystals to build their first lightsabers. The crystals are located in the planet’s Crystal Cave, an intimidating maze, and “call out” to the Jedi they are in tune with. Once the correct crystal has been found, younglings rendezvous with Huyang, and ancient droid who chooses the parts necessary to build a lightsaber. With everything in place, younglings complete the ritual by constructing their Jedi weapons through a graceful use of the Force."

All that is true but no where does it states that a crystal has to go through a ritual in order to function just that is it part of a ritual for the jedi. It's like jewish males go through a bris to get circumcision. But many males have a circumcision without having to go through a bris. Also, what if you have an existing kyber crystal from let's say an old or broken lightsaber (assuming nothing is wrong with the crystal) then if you have the general knowledge of lightsaber construction, you could build one. That's not to say it might not be as "attuned" to the wielder but it would still function.

Also remember kyber crystals work without this bonding. Remember the Death Star utilized them. So even a virgin crystal is still a power source.

We also know a lightsaber can be wielded by a person that they are not bonded with we have seen Jedi use lightsabers

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

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This is from the Star Wars Databank
"An essential rite of passage for young Jedi is the Gathering. In the Gathering, younglings go to the frigid ice world Ilum, where they search for kyber crystals to build their first lightsabers. The crystals are located in the planet’s Crystal Cave, an intimidating maze, and “call out” to the Jedi they are in tune with. Once the correct crystal has been found, younglings rendezvous with Huyang, and ancient droid who chooses the parts necessary to build a lightsaber. With everything in place, younglings complete the ritual by constructing their Jedi weapons through a graceful use of the Force."

Huh. As much as I love that general concept, I wish someone at LFL had thought this up before J.K. Rowling had come up with Ollivander´s shop in Diagon alley...

 

[Joek3rr]

All that is true but no where does it states that a crystal has to go through a ritual in order to function just that is it part of a ritual for the jedi. It's like jewish males go through a bris to get circumcision. But many males have a circumcision without having to go through a bris. Also, what if you have an existing kyber crystal from let's say an old or broken lightsaber (assuming nothing is wrong with the crystal) then if you have the general knowledge of lightsaber construction, you could build one. That's not to say it might not be as "attuned" to the wielder but it would still function.

Also remember kyber crystals work without this bonding. Remember the Death Star utilized them. So even a virgin crystal is still a power source.

We also know a lightsaber can be wielded by a person that they are not bonded with we have seen Jedi use lightsabers

The crystals must be "activated" with the Jedi awaking the Force inside, for it to be used in a lightsaber
"A lightsaber crystal is colorless until first attuned and connected to a Jedi -- at which times it glows either blue or green, or in some rare instances, another shade. From that point on, it retains that hue."

If you have an existing crystal it can be used in a lightsaber. It will be the same color. Unless "bleed" by a Dark Side practitioner. After which it may be "healed" creating a white saber. Now if a Dark Side practitioner takes a "un-activated" kyber, he/she will have to force it their will, making it "bleed".

The Death Star uses kybers to magnify it's energy for the superlaser. However this is nothing how a lightsaber works.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

If you have an existing crystal it can be used in a lightsaber. It will be the same color. Unless "bleed" by a Dark Side practitioner. After which it may be "healed" creating a white saber. Now if a Dark Side practitioner takes a "un-activated" kyber, he/she will have to force it their will, making it "bleed".

Thanks for the clip and the refresh. I love that episode and that wookiee and his lightsaber.

My original point way back when I made the comment is that the "act of construction" of a lightsaber is not based on something only a jedi can do. Can anyone "awake" a crystal? Apparently not. But can anyone (assuming they were instructed on how to) construct a lightsaber build one, yes.

Can a Bob construct a house? Yes. Can Bob manufacture lumber and PVC pipe, etc...? No Never-the-less, he can construct a house.
If you have an "awaken" crystal and the knowledge, a non-jedi can build a lightsaber.

 

[Joek3rr]

Thanks for the clip and the refresh. I love that episode and that wookiee and his lightsaber.

My original point way back when I made the comment is that the "act of construction" of a lightsaber is not based on something only a jedi can do. Can anyone "awake" a crystal? Apparently not. But can anyone (assuming they were instructed on how to) construct a lightsaber build one, yes.

Can a Bob construct a house? Yes. Can Bob manufacture lumber and PVC pipe, etc...? No Never-the-less, he can construct a house.
If you have an "awaken" crystal and the knowledge, a non-jedi can build a lightsaber.

Ah okay, I see what you mean. That's a good question. We see the younglings assembling their sabers with the Force. But do you HAVE to use the Force to assemble it? I don't know. In Legends if I remember there was something about having to align the crystal just so, and you could only figure that out by using the Force. But I don't know if that's still true in Canon.

 

[Bigdaddy]

I don't remember having to "awake" a crystal in KOTOR, seemed like there were plenty of red crystals as well. (After the first play through I almost always ended up on the darkside )​

 

[sztriki]

I don't remember having to "awake" a crystal in KOTOR, seemed like there were plenty of red crystals as well. (After the first play through I almost always ended up on the darkside )​

That’s “Legends” now, Disney canon has awakened crystals and bled crystals...I seem to remember tht red ones were apparently synthetic ones in the old canon.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

This reminds me how much I still want an Gungi replica hilt.

The other thing to keep an open mind about is that the clip is the droid asks the padawan if they know how to activate the Force within the crystal. He doesn't say they is just one way or that there are not ways to do it without the Force or even that you must awaken it using the Force.

Now, I'm not saying there is a way but this is the type of thing fans tend to make incorrect assumptions with. We tend to focus on the things characters say, and not the things they don't say.

 

[Joek3rr]

This reminds me how much I still want an Gungi replica hilt.

The other thing to keep an open mind about is that the clip is the droid asks the padawan if they know how to activate the Force within the crystal. He doesn't say they is just one way or that there are not ways to do it without the Force or even that you must awaken it using the Force.

Now, I'm not saying there is a way but this is the type of thing fans tend to make incorrect assumptions with. We tend to focus on the things characters say, and not the things they don't say.

Well he says "They're all useless unless you give them life. Do you know how to awaken the Force within the crystal?"

 

[Joek3rr]

That’s “Legends” now, Disney canon has awakened crystals and bled crystals...I seem to remember tht red ones were apparently synthetic ones in the old canon.

Lucasfilm canon, not Disney. Disney had nothing to do with rebranding of the EU.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Well he says "They're all useless unless you give them life. Do you know how to awaken the Force within the crystal?"

Right, that's my point. Where does it say that to awaken the force within the crystal, you must be a force user or that there is only one way to do it? For all we know, you can achieve it by sticking it in a microwave or talking dirty to it.

Because he does not say that, we cannot rule out the possibilities.

 

[sztriki]

Lucasfilm canon, not Disney. Disney had nothing to do with rebranding of the EU.

You know what I mean.

 

[Joek3rr]

Right, that's my point. Where does it say that to awaken the force within the crystal, you must be a force user or that there is only one way to do it? For all we know, you can achieve it by sticking it in a microwave or talking dirty to it.

Because he does not say that, we cannot rule out the possibilities.

Because we are talking about the Force. Would it not require the Force to awaken the Force? I mean we don't have Force sensitive droids. (Like Skippy the Droid.......which makes me go "why????" Everytime I think about it)

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Would it not require the Force to awaken the Force?

That's the question. And the answer is... we don't know. Evidence does not give us an absolute answer. If we took a poll, we probably could get most people to side with yes. But when it comes down to it, it is just speculation.

Here is where I am going with this. This board is filled with upset fans (not just Star Wars) who interpreted something said in a movie or show and in their head, came up with a definitive belief of how something is supposed to be. Then when another movie or episode comes out and conflicts with what they thought they know, instead of realizing they were making assumptions, they go into major rants. It's like if we watch a movie and Vader said, "I like cake." then 20 years later we see him in another movie and he is eating Pie. Then Joe Bigmouth comes on the board with his panties in a wad and says. How can he be eating pie when he is a cake eater? Disney stole my Childhood!!! But see, he never said he didn't like pie too.

This is why I say to keep an open mind. Ideas and speculations by fans is okay but you must be ready to have those ideas and speculations dashed when new info becomes available because you (not "you-you", the general everybody "you") made an assumption. As much as I like to participate in discussion, I like to keep and open mind and welcome new information.

 

[robn1]

Right, that's my point. Where does it say that to awaken the force within the crystal, you must be a force user or that there is only one way to do it? For all we know, you can achieve it by sticking it in a microwave or talking dirty to it.

Because he does not say that, we cannot rule out the possibilities.

I once tried to awaken the dark side in a chick named Crystal by talking dirty to her, I guess I'm not force sensitive because it didn't work

 

[Bigdaddy]

LOL, this canon then that canon, no wonder star wars is such a mess now!
That was a fun little trilogy we had once upon a time.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Well Rebels just through everything you said out he window.

No, Rebels did not throw everything out the window.

Just because the Jedi essential rite of passage seen in Clone Wars established one way to obtain a crystal, it does not mean there are not other ways or places for a jedi to obtain one.

 

[Psab keel]

This whole topic of the lightsaber construction is a PERFECT example of how a simple iconic idea can be complicated and subsequently ruined with over explanation.

It's like the more they try to explain and reason out how these things work the less interesting they become. Star Wars was never about HOW the tech worked in universe. Sure there was a certain logic to it but only enough to make you believe in it vs. having to explain every last detail. That's what Star Trek was for.

It's the difference between science fiction and space fantasy. Two totally different genres.