Episode 9 lightsaber reveal???

This whole topic of the lightsaber construction is a PERFECT example of how a simple iconic idea can be complicated and subsequently ruined with over explanation.

It's like the more they try to explain and reason out how these things work the less interesting they become. Star Wars was never about HOW the tech worked in universe. Sure there was a certain logic to it but only enough to make you believe in it vs. having to explain every last detail. That's what Star Trek was for.

That's why I think it is important to remember Star Wars is fantasy, not science fiction. So I try to always approach new info or the reason something happens as though there must be a reason for it and/or I just don't understand it. It is a different galaxy with vast differences and the real world as I understand it does not need apply. I try to make new info integrate into old info instead of just saying this is wrong and this is right.
 
This whole topic of the lightsaber construction is a PERFECT example of how a simple iconic idea can be complicated and subsequently ruined with over explanation.

It's like the more they try to explain and reason out how these things work the less interesting they become. Star Wars was never about HOW the tech worked in universe. Sure there was a certain logic to it but only enough to make you believe in it vs. having to explain every last detail. That's what Star Trek was for.

It's the difference between science fiction and space fantasy. Two totally different genres.
Brother you hit the nail on right on the head! Same reason adding too much "magic" to Trek doesn't work. (y)
 
I agree with you. For me, my focus is to keep things in line with the main story, plot and characters. Keeping themes consistent and believable/ relatable is more important to me than a minor continuity error. I can forgive a few here and there if I love the characters and themes they convey.

I hear you Bigdaddy! The specific rules of Trek don't work for Wars and vice versa.
 
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That's the question. And the answer is... we don't know. Evidence does not give us an absolute answer. If we took a poll, we probably could get most people to side with yes. But when it comes down to it, it is just speculation.

Here is where I am going with this. This board is filled with upset fans (not just Star Wars) who interpreted something said in a movie or show and in their head, came up with a definitive belief of how something is supposed to be. Then when another movie or episode comes out and conflicts with what they thought they know, instead of realizing they were making assumptions, they go into major rants. It's like if we watch a movie and Vader said, "I like cake." then 20 years later we see him in another movie and he is eating Pie. Then Joe Bigmouth comes on the board with his panties in a wad and says. How can he be eating pie when he is a cake eater? Disney stole my Childhood!!! But see, he never said he didn't like pie too.

This is why I say to keep an open mind. Ideas and speculations by fans is okay but you must be ready to have those ideas and speculations dashed when new info becomes available because you (not "you-you", the general everybody "you") made an assumption. As much as I like to participate in discussion, I like to keep and open mind and welcome new information.

Just for funs, this from the book 'Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force'
"When building a lightsaber, a Jedi must use the Force to carefully line up the energy cell with the crystal. A true lightsaber cannot be assembled by a machine. Only those sensitive to the Force can construct one."
 
This whole topic of the lightsaber construction is a PERFECT example of how a simple iconic idea can be complicated and subsequently ruined with over explanation.

It's like the more they try to explain and reason out how these things work the less interesting they become. Star Wars was never about HOW the tech worked in universe. Sure there was a certain logic to it but only enough to make you believe in it vs. having to explain every last detail. That's what Star Trek was for.

It's the difference between science fiction and space fantasy. Two totally different genres.

Well you gotta fill visual guides with something ;);)
 
LOL, this canon then that canon, no wonder star wars is such a mess now!
That was a fun little trilogy we had once upon a time. ;)

Are you familiar with the old canon hierarchy?:D

At least Star Wars hasn't yet reached the level of Marvel or DC, with their respective multiverses.
 
Hey Gang! Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. For instance, I believe that "in-universe" lightsabers are elegant weapons, devoid of circuitry and powercells, and that buttons and knobs are simply mechanical barriers that influence the flow of the Force through a lightsaber. In realitly, I have to incorporate circuitry and powercells into my lightsaber designs because lightsabers aren't real (yet, where are the Thermians when we need them?!), and I cannot imbue and focus the Force through an Adegan Crystal and form a blade with it (yet, never give up, never surrender hope right?! ;) ).

Some authors have taken an approach to lightsaber construction that is both "in-universe" and "in reality". It may be a bit Trekkie, and I may not agree with a lightsaber needing to be recharged via a cable, but overall, I like this excerpt...




Corran Horn's account of creating his lightsaber in 'I, Jedi' by Michael A. Stackpole written in 1998 (Chapter 42, pages 478-484) (11 years ABY)...


Only one last thing needed to be accomplished before I could begin.

I needed a lightsaber.

Elegos uncovered my grandfather's instructions on how to create a lightsaber fairly early on, and my heart almost sank. The datafile was rather specific about the various supplies that would be needed to create the weapon, so I had a shopping list. Beyond that, however, the file detailed the
steps needed to put the weapon together and included the various mediations and exercises a Jedi apprentice should go through with each step along the way. The process Nejaa laid out, if followed precisely, would take almost a month, and I didn't have a month. I knew impatience and haste were part of the dark side, but really hoped things could be truncated so I could actually succeed in my task.

I took the first step by collecting the various parts. The lightsaber, while an elegant and deadly weapon, actually was not that complex. Getting the parts to put one together was not difficult at all. To serve as the hilt, for example, I salvaged the throttle assembly and handlebar tube from a junked
speeder bike. I took it from where the wreck hung in the Crash cantina and no one so much as noticed me make off with it. I got the dimetris circuitry for the activation loop from an old capital-ship-grade ion cannon fire initiation controller -- won that piece of junk from Shala betting on another tuskette fight. The recharger port and wiring came from a comlink. A milled down Tri-fighter laser flashback suppressor became the parabolic, high-energy flux aperture to stabilize the blade and I pulled the dynoric laser feed line from the same broken laser cannon to act as the superconductor for energy transference from the power cell to the blade. Buttons and switches were easy to find, and dear old Admiral Tavira, with her gift of the brandy decanter and snifters, provided me all the jewels I needed to make a half dozen lightsabers. The most difficult part of creating a lightsaber was producing the power cell that stored and discharged the amount of energy necessary to energize a Iightsaber blade. That said, the parts list called for a pretty basic power cell -- in fact, because of the age of the instructions, I had a hard time locating one that ancient. Newer power cells were more efficient than the one my grandfather had specified, but I didn't think that would present a problem. After all, as I read the instructions I came to realize that the nature of the battery was not as important as how it was integrated with the rest of the components.

The core of the Jedi ritual for creating a lightsaber came down to charging the power cell that first time. My grandfather ridiculed the popular superstition stating a Jedi channeled the Force through his lightsaber. He suggested that this was a misunderstanding of what it took to charge it initially and tie it to the rest of the weapon. The Jedi, carefully maipulating the Force, bound the components toether -- linking them on something more than a mechanical or material level, so they worked with unimagined efficiency. Without this careful seasoning and conditioning of the lightsaber, the blade would be flawed and would fail the Jedi.

Before I could figure out how to put Tavira off for another month, Elegos decoded an annotation to the instructions for constructing lightsabers. It turned out that during the Clone Wars, Jedi Masters developed a way to create a lightsaber in two days. Nejaa included this method, noting it was to be used only in times of pressing need, but not in haste. I read it over and felt a certain peace settle upon me. I knew the words had not been written for me, but they sank deep into my core. "Urgency without panic, action without thoughtlessness."

I began by calming myself and simplifying my lifestyle. I drank only water and ate noodles that were all but unflavored. I cleared Tavira's gifts from my bedroom, or hid them away in closets. I sat in the middle of the floor, with the parts for the blade laid out in a semicircle around me. I studied each one and used the Force to enfold it and take a sense of it into myself. My hands would fit the pieces toegther, but I wanted the parts to mesh as if they had been grown together. The lightsaber would be more than just a jumble of hardware, and to make it I had to see the parts as belonging together.

I fitted the activation button into its place on the handlebar shaft and snapped the connectors into the right spots on the dimetris circuit board. I worked that into the shaft itself, then inserted a strip of shielding to protect it from even the slightest leakage from the superconductor. Next I snapped into place the gemstones I was using to focus and define the blade. At the center, to work as my continuous energy lens, I used the Durindfire. That same stone gave my grandfather's blade its distinctive silver sheen. I used a diamond and an emerald in the other two slots. I wasn't certain what I would get in the way of color tints from the emerald, and with the diamond I hoped for a coruscation effect.

Onto the end of the hilt where the blade would appear I screwed the high-energy flux aperture. It would carry a negative charge which would stabilize the positively charged blade and provide it a solid base without allowing it to eat its way back through to my hands. Controlling a lightsaber blade was difficult enough without having it nibbling away at fingers.

I clipped the discharged energy cell in place, then connected the leads to the recharging socket. I screwed the recharging socket into the bottom of the hilt but didn't fasten on the handlebar's original butt cap that would protect it because I needed to charge the power cell for the very first time. I reached over and took the charging cord from the small transformer I'd borrowed from our tech bay, and plugged the lightsaber in.

With my finger poised on the transformer button that would start the energy flowing, I drew in a deep breath and lowered myself into a trance. I knew that manipulating matter sufficiently to meld the part and forge the weapon would have been all but impossible for anyone but a Jedi Master like Yoda, but doing just that as part of the construction of a lightsaber had been studied and ritualized so even a student could manage it. It was very much a lost art, a link to a past that had been all but wiped out, and by performing it I completed my inheritance of my Jedi legacy.

I hit the button, allowing the slow trickle of energy to fill the battery. I opened myself to the Force and with the hand I had touching the lightsaber's hilt, I bathed the lightsaber with the Force. As I did so subtle transformations took place in the weapon. Elemental bonds shifted, allowing more and more energy to flow into the cell and throughout the weapon. I was not certain how the changes were being made, but I knew that at the same time as they were being made in the lightsaber, they were being made in me as well.

In becoming a conduit for the Force for this purpose, the final integration of the people I'd been occurred. The fusion became the person I would be forever after. I was still a pilot: a little bit arrogant, with a healthy ego and a willingness to tackle difficult missions. I was still Cor-Sec: an investigator and a buffer between the innocents in the galaxy and the slime that would consume them.

And I was 'Jedi'. I was heir to a tradition that extended back tens of thousands of years. Jedi had been the foundation of stability in the galaxy. They had always opposed those who reveled in evil and sought power for the sake of power. People like Exar Kun and Palpatine, Darth Vader and Thrawn, Isard and Tavira; these were the plagues on society that the Jedi cured. In the absence of the Jedi, evil thrived.

In the presence of just one Jedi, evil evaporated.

Just as with the lightsaber, the changes being made in me were not withtout cost. What the Force allowed me to do also conferred upon me great burdens. To act without forethought and due deliberation was no longer possilble. I had to be very certain of what I was doing, for a single misstep could be a disaster. While I knew I would make mistakes, I had to do everything I could to minimize their impact. It was not enough to do the greatest good for the greatest number, I had to do the best for everyone.

There was no waking away from the new responsibility I accepted. Like my grandfather I might well coose twhen and where to reveal who and what I was, but there was no forgetting, no leaving that responsibility at the office. My commitment to others had to be total and complete. I was an agent of life every day, every hour, every second; for as long as I lived, and then some.

I heard a click and looked up, blinking my eyes. "Elegos?"

Elegos stood over me, offering me a glass of water. "It's done."

I blinked, then took the water and greedily sucked it down. I lowered the glass and felt water dribbling down around my goatee. I swiped at it with my right hand and felt the stubble of beard on my cheeks. "How long?"

"Two and a half days." The Caamasi smiled and took the glass back from me. "Not as fast as your grandfather, but acceptable."

"Anyone notice I was missing?"

"Several people inquired, but I told them you were down with the brandy aque. They said they could understand your celebrating your change in fortune." He set the glass on my dresser, then walked back into the suite's parlor. "While you were engaged in here, I found something else to do, and made good use of one of Tavira's gifts to you. I estimated the pattern based on my 'memnis' of your grandfather."

He held up a green Jedi robe, with a black belt and black overrobe. "I think it sould fit you well."

I nodded and brandished the lightsaber. I punched the button under my thumb, giving birth to the silver blade 133 centimeters in length. "A lightsaber and robes. Looks like a little justice has arrived on Courkrus, and it's about time."




Speaking of time, two and a half hours of typing later, where was I going with this?.... Lightsabers are cool, can only be made by Jedi, can be used by anyone, and never need to be recharged... from my certain point of view. Speaking of views, I can no longer see straight, I'm going to bed! :D
 
I used to have that Lightsaber Guide book. I think visual guides and a sentence or two is sufficient, but to delve too deep into the specific in universe explanations just wrecks it all.

I'm more interested in the real world props, development of the ideas of a "space sword", the symbolism behind it- the magic talisman as Campbell referred to swords in myths, than the lore of a lightsaber in the Star Wars mythos. How the fights are representative of the conflicts (both inner and outer) of the characters participating in them.

The lightsaber loses it's mysticism when it gets explained in too technical terms. I don't care how it works, just that it works. Magic and wonder are what makes Star Wars come alive, not technology.

I don't need science fiction creeping into my space fantasy. If I want that I watch Star Trek.
 
Just for funs, this from the book 'Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force'
"When building a lightsaber, a Jedi must use the Force to carefully line up the energy cell with the crystal. A true lightsaber cannot be assembled by a machine. Only those sensitive to the Force can construct one."

I’m not sure that is canon but in absence of any other conflicting info, I can definitely buy into it.

I’m now wondering if something like this will be worked into that new lightsaber building experience at Galaxy’s Edge.
 
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I used to have that Lightsaber Guide book. I think visual guides and a sentence or two is sufficient, but to delve too deep into the specific in universe explanations just wrecks it all.

I'm more interested in the real world props, development of the ideas of a "space sword", the symbolism behind it- the magic talisman as Campbell referred to swords in myths, than the lore of a lightsaber in the Star Wars mythos. How the fights are representative of the conflicts (both inner and outer) of the characters participating in them.

The lightsaber loses it's mysticism when it gets explained in too technical terms. I don't care how it works, just that it works. Magic and wonder are what makes Star Wars come alive, not technology.

I don't need science fiction creeping into my space fantasy. If I want that I watch Star Trek.

Agreed. Star Wars is complete fantasy that works best without any real world explanation, or even in-verse explanations that try to parallel our world. It's like Lord of The Rings. Make it about us, and it loses so much.

Star Trek is what should try to be better at sci-fi. Especially in today's age of instant information and record keeping/ accessing (for the sake of continuity and consistency). That's why I get pissed off when new Trek makes things more fantasy, devoid of science, and then people try to cite past Star Trek inconsistencies. It's night and day, and I expect more intelligence from today's Trek.

But not LESS intelligence from today's Star Wars either. Just a different kind. More clever and thoughtful.

That was a long winded way to say keep Star Wars Fantasy, and it'll make things easier and more palatable.
 
I don't really think most of these debates stem from the mere discussion on how or why things in the Star Wars universe works. I think more of the discussions start out of debate on whether a new story element from a new movie or tv episode is in conflict with old information. Granted, that most often the discussion goes into a tangent and things start to go way out into left field.

I've said it before but I think a lot of the problem is ego. We hear or see something in a movie and there is an unconscious assumption made by the person or people that something must be a certain way. When new info is introduced that conflicts with their assumed idea that they believe was genuine fact, they get pissed off. Usually they then go on to say how someone or something ruined their childhood and raped their teddy bear, etc... They refuse to go back and see how they might have misinterpreted the old info and reintegrate the old with the new.

So basically most of these tiresome discussions are not about technology, just two factions debating if someone screwed up Star Wars.
 
Are you familiar with the old canon hierarchy?:D

At least Star Wars hasn't yet reached the level of Marvel or DC, with their respective multiverses.

Mavel and (especially) DC were publishing comic book stories about their characters for decades before SW was made. They've all been rebooted over and over again in comic book form. The biggest difference is the film universes aren't trying to maintain continuity with other materials (comics, cartoons, television series, books etc). Each media format is it's own story, I think a problem with the "canon" concept is trying to tie together all these different media formats, created by different people with different ideas about the story and characters. That's what makes Star Wars as a franchise so messy.
I absolutely loved Mark Millar's Old man Logan comic book run, I also loved the Logan film. Two independent conflicting stories about Wolverine in his later years that exist side by side. Niether is "right" or "wrong" because... well, it's fiction. ;)
 
Especially when Star Wars and the story group was supposed to make all these disparate stories cohesive and fill in plot holes. Marvel and DC characters have been around and retold in different incarnations since the 1930s and 1950s and thats a different format than star wars which is supposed to be one cohesive saga.

I'm all for debate about fiction, otherwise I wouldn't be participating in this, but if the idea is to build on existing ideas, too often with this franchise the new concepts conflict with the original idea. It's not a matter of ego as much as its about consistency.

If anything it only proves to me how truly limited the story is structured. Plus often the additions actually detract the from the OT which is the benchmark. They stood the test of time for a reason. The new ones likely won't.

Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
 
The jedi utilize their ability to see into the future in order to quickly react (based on Qui Gon's comments about podracing) along with that and their extensive training and acquired skill. No non jedi would be able to utilize lightsabers the same way such as blocking and deflecting laser bolts.
Just an aside here, but I think this line from Qui-Gon was one of the most brilliant written for the prequels. See, the scene on the moon of Endor where Luke uses his saber to deflect the speeder bike's blasts always bugged me (a little) from the first time I saw it back during the original run of RotJ. I recognized then that Luke moves into position to deflect the blasts before they were even fired. At the time, I thought it was just because Hamill couldn't possibly move fast enough to do it after the blasts had been fired, and that this was thus a cinematic "cheat" (or that the animation of the blasts was a little behind what it should optimally have been). But Qui-Gon's remark, 15 years later, finally made it all make perfect sense.

And no, at the time I originally saw RotJ, I had not perceived that Luke does the same thing with the saber versus the training remote in ANH. I was only nine when the first film was in theaters, after all -- plus, as I recall, his moves in ANH were more economical and closer to being synced with the remote's fire, so it is less noticeable overall. And in light of what Qui-Gon said, that now gives me the perception that Luke had much less foresight in ANH than in RotJ, and therefore it was a closer call when he deflected the blasts from the remote.

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Some new artwork from celebration showing the repaired Graflex.

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