Efx X Wing

Kurt, if it is acceptable with Barry/eFx, can you take some comparison shots with your other models, identifying the kit version?

I'm very interested in seeing how this one sizes up compared to the kit versions.
 
Well said Kuhn Global

Ass kissing? LOLOLOL... Hmmmmm... you kill me Jamie! It would seem since nobody has physically seen this product yet... condemning it isn't a course of action either. What you may believe to be ass kissing just may be me giving something a fair shot my friend. It is something I would do for anybody. :) I always believe we should have first hand knowledge BEFORE praise or ridicule is stated. Yet most of what I have been reading states that ridicule must be the first standard...even BEFORE knowledge. I can't say I am quite OK with that, but as many say... it is one's own personal way of thinking. ;)

Now let's look at things for a second. Price things out.

Kit - $300-450
Armature - $120
Electronics board - $150
Lighting - $50
Stand - $50
Build services for a lit fighter model - $750 to $2500

Bare minumum of $1400, but not likely for most builders prices. Top build prices would be $2500 + parts and kit.

eFX has theirs for $1199. WITH METAL WINGS and all the trimmings!! Photos shown of the prototypes have definitely placed a question mark on it of being, or looking like, the Studio Model. We know the pieces and body are mostly correct... just like the V3 kit was. So all we are left with is the canopy and paint issues according to ridiculing statements made.

So... the beastie arrived a bit ago. NOW we will find out if the ridicule is due. I am thinking it has been way bent out of shape.

I do agree on one point... that buying site unseen is not often preferrable. But then again... how many of us see the reproductions in the flesh BEFORE we get them? So that isn't quite right either.

Everyone has their own freedom of opinion. I well respect and advocate that. I only wish, as human beings, we could not give in to our pre-judgement sometimes. I am as guilty as everyone.

I guess I will see the light in about 5 minutes. Then I will know and may judge appropriately for myself. Until then... I say it is a great offering that has never been made properly before now. Even with ICONS.
 
I've already ordered one of these, but I'm still keen on seeing comparisons as well. Barry has said the fuselage was scanned from a hero casting and comes in at nearly 21", which would make it about an inch longer than the V3.

Barry, if you don't mind answering a few questions I know several of us are interested in the pedigree of this hero fuselage casting you sourced for this project. Can you share anything beyond what you've already posted here:

X-Wing Starfighter Part 1
X-Wing Starfighter Part 2
X-Wing Starfighter Part 3

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Do you know if this was a fuselage casting taken from one of the built-up hero models? Or was it pulled from the same mold as the hero fuselage castings? Was the bottom half of the fuselage that you scanned vac-formed styrene or resin, or could you tell?

I know you're very busy, so thanks again for taking the time to post here.
 
I second Beaz's question. I'm genuinely curious, as the fuse looks very nice to me.

The "V3", as I understand it, is a sculpt with no direct provenance (but, I could be wrong). In any event, the V3 is the best example of the X-Wing fuse I've ever seen, to date. And, I've got 2 of them.

So, I am curious as to where the eFX fits on the LF Archives family tree...
 
Not necessarily. Part 3 of the series on the development of eFX's X-Wing Starfighter reads, in part:

As circumstance would have it a good friend of eFX had to hand a casting of a hero X-wing fuselage and many original, unassembled components. This body's dimensions and rudimentary details matched other hero craft in the archive so we digitally scanned it and used it as the basis for our reconstruction of "Red Five."

While I'm not doubting anyone's word, "a good friend's casting" does not necessarily mean it came from the Archives. So, I'm just curious.

And, so no one thinks I'm trolling in this thread, I ordered the eFX replica within seconds of its offering, primarily for the simple fact that Frank and Moes, and a few others who know what they're talking about were involved.
 
As circumstance would have it a good friend of eFX had to hand a casting of a hero X-wing fuselage and many original, unassembled components.

Is this an error or oversight in editing? Should this line read,

"As circumstance would have it a good friend of eFX had IN hand a casting of a hero X-wing fuselage and many original, unassembled components."
 
Here's a comprehensive list of the perfect studio-scale replica build-ups I've ever seen:


No offense intended to any of the great builders out there. You know what I mean.

I love the above. Having worked on many replicas, or recreations in my career I've learned that getting as close as you can wins out at the end of the day.

As for the origin of the X-wing fuselage we scanned. It came from an old ILMer. That's all I'm at liberty to say. I didn't identify the material, but it wasn't vacu-formed. We molded it and shipped it to China to scan. It's measurements matched those we sampled from Red Three which we used as a control reference.

It's wider and it's longer than people are used to. The asymmetry of the body was corrected, so the nose no longer hooks to the left and the rear doesn't have the appearance of a slight stroke. This subtly changes the appearance of the ship. We had the same thing happen with the AT-AT, the snowspeeder and the Falcon back at MR. You change one small thing and it looks different. While purists believe NOTHING should be changed and everything should be presented as is, warts and all, that is not what the majority of our clients have indicated over the years that they want.

So while certain areas of the eFX X-wing have been cleaned up or idealized, it still remains a close "representation" of Red Five. Do I wish I had a Tardis? You betcha.

There's no need for any rancor between colleagues and friends. The eFX X-wing is a model. One we worked long and hard on. We hope those who buy it will love it, but those of you who don't care for it perhaps our next release will drawn you in. Perhaps not.

We try and involve all the knowledgeable folks we know in our process when we start a new model. We're open to anyone's help.

As for the X-wing, after Sunday it'll be a moot point. It will be a short run collectible. SOMEBODY, somewhere will go "Hey I can do better than that", and build their own. THAT is why this forum exists.

Barry
 
Depends, probably, on whether you're from the old world, or the new. Some of my UK friends would say, "to hand". Regardless, I simply copied and pasted the text from the efx website. But, in reading through other entries in the efx development section I noticed a few grammar errors. It's pretty common for online publishing. Probably not the end of "Civilization", just the style of civilization Miss Blackburn taught me in 2nd grade! Yes, that's a real last name. And, yes, unmarried women were called "miss" back then. :lol

Anyway, thanks for the response, Barry.
 
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Depends, probably, on whether you're from the old world, or the new. Some of my UK friends would say, "to hand". Regardless, I simply copied and pasted the text from the efx website. But, in reading through other entries in the efx development section I noticed a few grammar errors. It's pretty common for online publishing. Probably not the end of "Civilization", just the style of civilization Miss Blackburn taught me in 2nd grade! Yes, that's a real last name. And, yes, unmarried women were called "miss" back then. :lol

Anyway, thanks for the response, Barry.

The grammar errors are mine. Blame a Liverpudlian edumacation, and not enough hours in the day to get things done, or proof read. I write like I speak, an unfortunate hold over from scripting and copyrighting.

Barry
 
Thanks Barry. I realize you can only say so much, but there is much good info to be gleaned from what you have said.

Now I'm really looking forward to receiving my copy next month and am thankful for, and more than a little envious of, all the folks who were able to assist you with this project. Thanks for seeing it through, fellas!

Allan, my understanding from this thread is that Moe scratch built his fuselage from Renshape using photo reference, and then sold that pattern to Mike for the V3. I have two V3s as well, BTW. And one V2. and One CC...and who knows, maybe we'll be talking V4 in a few more months. :p
 
Well, my high end hasbro was a close to the bone statement, but its how i kinda feel about the model Frank, that canopy/cockpit brings down what these lads have done IMHO, but point taken bud, and point well put info wise.

As for buying blind? This is something we all have to do in this hobby, every MR item we bought, was effectively blind, as each model in turn, differed, sometimes greatly (read Falcon) in terms of quality!

Ive spent a lot of cash blind, sometimes for the better, sometimes sadly not, and ive been burned pretty bad on various GK, its the nature of the beast, so i cant agree with Jamie there.

I do however, think the eFX bird is a good model, the good outweighs the very little bad, alloy wings, operating S foils, lights..and hopefully a paint job that wont see a boat load of paintwork complaint threads, sans that canopy, the prop looks good.

I think Kurts price list is a good one, but then how many may have to repaint this bird or have it repainted? Will we be adding those costs to the prop, will that factory paint work really pop, or will painters do it for free seeing as $1200 has already been laid out lol? Time will tell!

As for knuckleheads lol, well yup i hold my hand high for having an opinion on a public board, but is that not a persons right? As stated, if you like it buy it, and im sure you will be happy Stormy but as stated by you, your an armchair quarterback, but i guess a light wash to highlight the detail will make it all better!

The limited buy window? I just feel for the guys that wanted this bird so bad that may now have to face a payment plan to own one in these terrible economic times due to spending over the holidays, shrewd move by eFX, maybe...but i just dont agree with that...again my opinion while we still (kinda) live in a democracy!

lee

If the model's overall dimensions and details are close to the original I am a happy camper. As far as the paint job, well I am not expecting it to be any better than the Falcon and I am prepared to repaint it if it really bothers me. Not saying the paint job won't be good, but I am just not expecting it to be any better. As I recall people were pretty happy with the MR Falcon other than some of the paint jobs on some of those. People were willing to repaint their MR Falcons and that is a hell of a lot bigger job than repainting the X-wing. Some of those repaints came out very well too.

Yes, the canopy is not my favorite part of this model either but, like you say the good outweighs the bad. Maybe I can even pry that canopy off.:confused

If I am extremely disappointed in this X-wing then I have the option of selling it a little later on.
 
Regarding the canopy. The hinge isn't quite as obvious as some folks are fearing, but it is a hinge. And the windows are laser cut acrylic pieces that are press fit and lightly tacked into the frame. They're easily removed if you prefer the non-glazed look to the model. I, of course, would never encourage invalidating the warranty.

Barry
 
Barry,

like others, I want to thank you for answering all our questions and responding to the various comments on the board. Since you brought up the hinge-- I have to admit that is the biggest problem I have with the replica. It's an obvious departure from both the screen used X-wings and also the full-scale mock ups. I realize that it would have added slightly to the cost of the replica, but perhaps a better idea would have been to include two canopies, each of which could securely snap into the frame area around the pilot/R2 figures. One canopy could have been the hinged one, allowing for opening and closing, and the other canopy could have been just static and permanently molded in the lowered position. MR did something similar with their Han Solo blaster, which came with two different versions of a particular greeblie-- thus allowing the owner to choose which to display. This way alll the bases would have been covered.

I realize of course that this would in no way satisfy EVERYONE here, but I think it would have placated most buyers.

In any event, despite this quibble, I've ordered one and I wish you and EFX the best of luck with the run.
 
Now let's look at things for a second. Price things out.

Kit - $300-450
Armature - $120
Electronics board - $150
Lighting - $50
Stand - $50
Build services for a lit fighter model - $750 to $2500

Kurt, that's true if you cant do anything by yourself...
But let's see..

Building an X-Wing is a really cool project and building the V3 kit is like a dream, even for a newby.

So the kit price :

-V3 : I dont know really the price since I didnt buy the full kit but I think it's less than what you quoted, lets take you mini for a full kit

-armature : got mine for free $0 if you look for, you'll always find :)

-Electronics board : well you can have all you need for less than $20 for basic lightning (engines, R2 unit, cockpit). Easy to assemble by yourself, very simple electronic and no need to use a circuit board. If you want to add some effects, it will cost a bit more, no more than $5 or 10 more. Off course that means more work, but he, the ILM prop didnt have sofisticated electronic boards ! So let's stuck with $20

-Lightning : included in the price above

-Stand : if you want an ILM like stand (the best IMHO :D) it will cost you almost nothing :D If you want something museem-like it will cost more, that will be probably the thing which will cost the most (more if you want an acrylic display case, but it was not included with the Efx fighter if I'm correct). Let's say $100 for a stand which is HUGE.

- Build service : None, build by yourself, easy enough even as a first resin kit.

- Paint job : even if that's your first paint job, it cant be worse than the factory paint job. :sleep Paints : $60

- if you want a motorized version of the wing please add $30


So : $510 for a great X-Wing made by yourself (priceless ;)), very accurate to the studio model, with motorized wings, lights, museem display stand.

We are far from your result of $3320...

But I reckon you have to build it and time is money, I agree.

This post is not against Efx, I know they have to pay the License, development etc and that's a mass production model. I was just reacting about the numbers quoted above ! :D
 
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eFX X-wing (China Paint Prototype #1) REVIEW by Kuhn Global

Let me first start by stating that I am honored to be able to review such a fine piece of work by eFX. Thank you for allowing me to do so.

Now on to the review... sit down... this is long... As promised, it is an honest, unbiased review.

Upon receiving the X-wing from Fed-Ex yesterday, I was impressed with largeness of the box this item came in. (See photos here... http://www.resinilluminati.com/showpost.php?p=87443&postcount=37 ). It was obvious that eFX had taken time to design this box and packing so that damage during world-wide shipping would be nil or minimal. The graciously placed two inches of extra foam around the already foam encompassed x-wing and stand. From my years of sending and receiving museum items, THIS is the way to pack an item for shipment.

When I picked up the X-wing out of the foam, the first thing I noticed is how heavy and cold it was! It felt like a metal die cast model! Now remember, THIS specific prototype was the first to come back from China with their first attempt of a paint job that was to resemble what was sent to them on the artist proof. Thus, I will not be commenting on the paint job other than one comment my wife made when she viewed it. "Dirty does NOT mean shiny!" Enough said about China's first paint attempt.

Now.. back to it's weight and coldness. Upon tapping on the item a few times, this fuselage was obviously cast in polystone... a VERY time-durable casting material. My first impression was "WOW". I then felt around to see what else was obvious in the materials. The wings are metal and are VERY rigid. They have an unseen magnet within them to keep them closed until manually opened.... which I did immediately following my inspection of materials. This X-wing had been shipped around the world several times to different individuals, so I was expecting some problems which did show up in small amount. The wings, when manually opened, are supposed to open together so that if you open one wing, the others do as well.. This one had a busted gadget inside that only allowed the cross wings to open simultaneously. And the second set would not stay in place. I attribute this damage (even though it was professionally packed) to our fine world delivery services, and the handling of it by many before myself.

One of the things that I next noticed was that the canopy was not connected to the model. It comes completely separate so that one may admire the fine cockpit they have replicated from the full sized props. The cockpit, by the way, looks excellent. The seat within the cockpit was also not attached in this bird. It was freely floating about, but did have the ability to connect to the flooring. When I went to place on the canopy, this is the first I noticed it's windows. Just like the original filming model, they were glassed in. Very shiny. On this one, the right front window was missing from the package... also due to the handling by many before me. That said, the windows were easy to pop in and out. I obviously left them in for the photo shoot to see what it would look like. Upon placing the canopy over the cockpit, I noticed it wasn't a great fit. I never did get it completely right. The hoses, that look so awesome in the cockpit, were kind of in the way for the correct fitment of the canopy. I spent a good 30 minutes trying to fit it properly before giving in to what I was able to do. The canopy hinge (which is one of the items that makes it look toy like) in my opinion, should probably have been done differently. I imagine cost was a big issue with that. As I understand things, Lucasfilm wanted the glass in the canopies, so cost went up a bit to do that. My own speculation leads me to think this is why the canopy was done the way it was.

After studying the body a bit further, I noticed how much outer detail, throughout the piece, was cast in. Some of this is a bit "soft" in my opinion. However, the panel lines are crisp and clean.

Something else kept gnawing at me... it seemed larger than 1/24. And the nose cone was much larger than any other replica of the X-wing I had seen before. Plus, it definitely is positioned with the tip up more than anything I own. It slightly takes away from the aggressive look the X-wings have always appeared to have and gave more of a 'speedboat' feel to the front. That may just be how this specific bird was assembled, however. The production birds will, according to Barry, will ALL be 100% inspected for quality control BEFORE shipping. Just as they did with the first helmets they have sold. Of which, by the way, NONE have been returned! That is impressive!

Now, the stand is a brushed aluminum looking, clear acrylic covered, black oval base, with a 1 inch aluminum pipe extruding from it that has the electronic connector inside. The brushed aluminum under the clear acrylic is etched with "STAR WARS". Very nice indeed! However.. the mounting pipe really bugs me. This is something I very much dislike in mass offered pieces and may just be my personal preference. The stands piping is always too large due to a few skinny wires being placed through in my opinion. This REALLY detracts from the awesome look of any piece that would sit atop of them! ICONS did it to their X-wing with a huge, clear acrylic rod! Somebody,...ANYBODY, needs to rethink a better way of mounting models with electronics. The smaller, the better! And PLEASE.... make them positional.. like the panavise camera stand. That rant now over , the electronic connector is a simple connection that will fit only one direction.. so there is no making a mistake. The power button resides on the side of the base as a simple toggle switch. The power plugs in just aft of the toggle switch.

When photographing this piece, the stand left me with limited options of position without going out and getting more Blue Screen Material to cover it appropriately.. so I just worked with what I had. As you can see, it photographs fairly well, but sometimes looks less aggressive do to the nose cap angle and the 'less-wide' open wings. These were opened to their maximum and, due to the linkage break inside, held open by a plastic clip I placed within the wing block. Unfortunately, the wings just would not go any wider,... which when wide, is another great aggressive look to the X-wing in my opinion.

Today, I pulled from display my last V3 RED 5 build, that Matt Meyer built up, and placed it next to the eFX bird. See photos below. Earlier I had commented that the eFX X-wing felt larger than 1/24 scale. Not knowing what the real used x-wings measurements were, the EFX is about 3/4 of an inch longer than the now retired V3 kits. It is also noticeably beefier in all aspects except in wing width. In the photo, even though the V3 is behind the eFX bird, you can see the noticeable size difference. The eFX size makes me recall the once offered Maxi-Brute castings which were suggested to have been cast directly off of a hero X-wing back in the day. Of course that is only speculation, but never the less, the size and beefiness of the eFX X-wing reminds me of it.

When my daughter walked in to the room this morning as I had the two X-wings side by side, she told me that the larger one (the eFX bird) looked toy-like. I asked her to explain what she saw and she couldn't define it. I can see what she is stating due to a few things that make it look that way to me as well. The canopy definitely has something to do with that. Another, and we must remember this is the first China painted prototype, is the challenged, shiny paint job that this bird has. Then there is the soft detail I spoke of earlier, as well as certain parts that don't seem to match up with their counterparts angles. This is not due to poor assembly, but just that the parts don't quite match up. Like they are smaller than the ship itself. This may quite possibly be my own thinking since all I have seen until this were birds that came from castings, or re-built from those castings measurements, which may have suffered shrinkage over and over.

That stated, THIS IS NO TOY! It definitely is a fantastic reproduction made for a mass distribution of 1000.

What this piece represents is something for which people that cannot, or will not, build and wish to have a beautiful piece to set on display and admire! This group probably will not include those who are studio scale purists, even though this piece was investigated and built accordingly.

For the masses... ABSOLUTELY! This piece is a FANTASTIC offering at $1199! With a payment plan and FREE shipping no less. Not to mention that even at 1000 pieces this piece will be, and remain, extremely rare and valuable to the collectors out there.

Will I get one? I am very much thinking about it! And I am only doing that because... 1. I have soooo many quality studio x-wings already to display. And 2. My budget is currently being utilized on my family for Christmas. Other than that... now I think I will place one of these beautiful eFX birds on my Christmas list! LOLOL.

There you have it. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them when time allows. Until then, please enjoy the photos (shown here... http://www.resinilluminati.com/showpost.php?p=87443&postcount=37 ) showing what I have typed about above.

I wish to thank Barry and the eFX gang once again for giving me the opportunity to see this fantastic piece up close and personal, photograph it, and review it. It is clear from eFX's actions that they want this community of professional model builders to see and understand what they may wish to purchase.

Thank You Barry!

Thank You eFX!

Thank You All!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!
 
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Re: eFX X-wing (China Paint Prototype #1) REVIEW by Kuhn Global

The photos are where now?

Kurt - it's "gnawing at me" not "knowing at me", unless this X-wing can actually teach us telepathically? Then I am SOOOO in!

:p

PIIIICS PIIIIIIICS!

oh - you put 'em in the RI board. Bah. RI is blocked by the govt servers for being a gaming site. Sigh.
 
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