Efx X Wing

EFX is smart with this modest release/business plan - it's probably the only way they'll continue to exist. Especially with everything globally in the crapper, lol.

I must agree. It is indeed a smart move of survival. However... it also becomes a great advantage for those who will get this, as Lee would suggest "overpriced hasbro". :) The collectibility for this piece just went through the roof with that announcement. We will be seeing some of these on eBay at twice their amounts... and being sold!

I have always been against pre-orders within the GK market, and have seen even the licensed market go sour on them. However, I do believe this to be an opportunity for anyone who would seize it. For even those who consider this piece to be less than what they believe it shoud be. It is a definite personal preference thing being that none of us have directly had contact with it. It is with that in which Barry has intrusted me to be honest about the piece when I recieve it today. With all the discussion and uncertainty, eFX wishes everyone to know opinions from the buyer POV. I will do my best to get VERY close up photos and an unbiased opinion as to it's overall shape and condition. I will not be commenting on the paint job sice it is an early artist proof that was rejected.

Anyway... in this challenged economy... I agree with Jason in that eFX is doing the right thing to survive... and STILL get us what we may like and want. ;)

Stay tuned. I will do my best to get you guys accurate info from a buyers POV.
 
We do have a money back guarantee. If anyone is unhappy with their collectible they can return it within 30 days for a refund. The terms and conditions can be found on the FAQ's section of www.efxcollectibles.com.

The decision we took is motivated solely by the harsh economic climate we are all facing. Those folks who are keen to own the eFX X-wing have mostly placed their orders already and we're grateful to them.

Barry
 
I don't see a problem with the plan based on economic conditions at present. It would be foolish to make a product just to lose money on it by getting stuck with lots of extras that probably won't sell like they might have a year ago. I own my own business, and I understand completely. Now isn't the time for excess stock of anything.

Dave
 
I would have liked to see an actual production piece first. It's great your getting one today for review but it is a prototype none the less. I can understand EFX not wanting to get stuck with an unsold enventory (?) due to the economy but to make potential customers make this kind of decision in such a short time with little notice, just before X-Mass. Wow! Who is this better for in the long run, the company or the customer? EFX, you have succesfully created a piece that will long be remembered not for what it is but how much it is worth. Thanks.
 
Buying something without seeing the FINAL piece is just stupidity IMO. Especially a $1200 (Hasbro-like) derivative... Thanks Lee! :lol

Why there is so much ass kissing towards this thing is beyond me. It it a far cry form the filming miniature. :rolleyes To each his own as they say.
 
I have been round & round in my head for a few weeks now about this X wing, I really wanted to be there on day one of release with my CC details in hand. I really did like MR as a company especially Amy who helped me out when problems arose, & i really would like to support efx in any way I can but still not seeing the final product is a big turn off. I think we have to remember not everyone has access to V3's or the skill to scratch anything that moves so it is a really important piece for some collectors. I do think its great & am sure it will look fantastic displayed but having just received my second V'3 & am awaiting for one of J's armature's & am about to ask Al if his mate can make another board for the electronics for the V3.... I think most will understand that its not a good deal if you can put one together yourself. Sadly I can & have decided not to get the efx X wing for this reason. As well, the costs of my other ongoing project are far more important to me to divert the cash elsewhere. I really wish Barry & the team still get 1000 pre orders & something tells me it will be at least 600 which aint bad in anybody's books. I just know if I got one that I would want to repaint it Like J said earlier & it really is a shame to do this to a stock item.

Barry, I was very close to ordering & I promise its not the product that stopped me, its my own ability, no matter what peoples opinions are of you X its a great product & one that many people will be proud to own, myself included.....cant wait to see what you do next & I really am hoping you sell this baby out all 1000

Guy
 
Why there is so much ass kissing towards this thing is beyond me. It it a far cry form the filming miniature. :rolleyes

Ass kissing? LOLOLOL... Hmmmmm... you kill me Jamie! It would seem since nobody has physically seen this product yet... condemning it isn't a course of action either. What you may believe to be ass kissing just may be me giving something a fair shot my friend. It is something I would do for anybody. :) I always believe we should have first hand knowledge BEFORE praise or ridicule is stated. Yet most of what I have been reading states that ridicule must be the first standard...even BEFORE knowledge. I can't say I am quite OK with that, but as many say... it is one's own personal way of thinking. ;)

Now let's look at things for a second. Price things out.

Kit - $300-450
Armature - $120
Electronics board - $150
Lighting - $50
Stand - $50
Build services for a lit fighter model - $750 to $2500

Bare minumum of $1400, but not likely for most builders prices. Top build prices would be $2500 + parts and kit.

eFX has theirs for $1199. WITH METAL WINGS and all the trimmings!! Photos shown of the prototypes have definitely placed a question mark on it of being, or looking like, the Studio Model. We know the pieces and body are mostly correct... just like the V3 kit was. So all we are left with is the canopy and paint issues according to ridiculing statements made.

So... the beastie arrived a bit ago. NOW we will find out if the ridicule is due. I am thinking it has been way bent out of shape.

I do agree on one point... that buying site unseen is not often preferrable. But then again... how many of us see the reproductions in the flesh BEFORE we get them? So that isn't quite right either.

Everyone has their own freedom of opinion. I well respect and advocate that. I only wish, as human beings, we could not give in to our pre-judgement sometimes. I am as guilty as everyone.

I guess I will see the light in about 5 minutes. Then I will know and may judge appropriately for myself. Until then... I say it is a great offering that has never been made properly before now. Even with ICONS.
 
In my opinion, any sci fi offering out there whether it be a licensed product or a garage kit keeps all of this going, and I'm happy to see it and glad there's either people, or companies taking it up.

I would hate to see a time when no company felt the need to offer these things, that would mean the hobby is dying, and that would be a tragedy.

As for eFX, we know these guys, they're on the board here trying to sell a product just like anyone else, I say lighten up on them. And as Kurt said, $1,199 is a steal for this compared to having one commissioned by a GK'er.
 
LMAO, ive never heard so much crap in all my life, a two week buy period for a high end Hasbro? Or am i reading that wrong?....insane .

lee


Lee, & Jamie
"High End Hasbro" ??

You are indeed reading it wrong, and this is why:

Alot of folks put an enormous effort into helping create this prop/model.

To name a few who donated parts or knowledge for this specific project: Barry, Bryan, Larry, Myself, Morten, Mark Tognaci, Mike Salzo, Jay Pennington, John Eves,John Goodson, Mark Dickson, Lee Malone, Rob-"who painted the master", MVERTA, Scott Alexander, and a ton of others I dont even know about.

The entire corporate knowledge of anyone who knew anything about this prop and had something to add was welcomed and utilized when and where possible.

The folks at EFX, are not the "COLD CORPORATE MAKE A BUCK AT ALL COSTS MONSTER that HASBRO, or KENNER, or a host of other companies that have been ripping all of us off since we were kids.

The folks at EFX are one of us. Guys that grew up building models, and enjoying the same movies we did. Guy that got tired of the crap that toy and model companies and the like handed us in exchange of our hard earned money.

They got tired of being screwed. They stepped forward and felt they could do better, and they did.

Barry Jones was the creator of HALCYON Models. He was a builder, like the rest of us who dreamt that he could be so bold as to challenge the REVELL's and MONOGRAM and make a series of kits that the rest of us wanted to buy. They were awesome kits and are Highly collectible to this day.

Larry (Larbel) Leung made the coolest light sabers when most of us were still hunting for the rare Graflex or trying to put together a saber from hardware via HOME DEPOT. Larry, a fan, made, sold, AND delivered some of the nicest and accurate fan made sabers anyone had ever seen long before most had even thought of doing so.

Bryan Ono, is THE go to guy when anyone wants anything manufactured.
The long list of companies he has worked for, is only dwarfed by the list of the ones currently chasing him.

These are the main guys who have tried to bring the best possible collectible all the while fighting Corporate "decision makers" and licensee executives most of whom weren't even BORN when these movies came out and wouldn't know a screen used prop if it bit them on the ass.

On top of that, anyone here ever tried to have anything MADE IN CHINA?

Try it sometime. Let me know how it works out for you.


Speaking of China, everyone here, always complains that these items are TOO expensive. Well, the only way to make it so YOU can afford it, is to produce it in China, and do so in a way that quality does not reflect that it LOOKS LIKE it WAS produced in CHINA.

So it has to be perfect, and it has to be cheap.

Somewhere, there is a balance that makes the most number of members here happy. Anyone with any sense would realize, you can't please everyone.


Re: the XWING Specifically, The above chaps, were from MR and probably as frustrated as much as each of us regarding how MR did business and treated, us, the collectors.

They set out to do better and put their money where their mouth was and LEFT MR and I feel they have done a great job. I would hope that they would be treated with a bit more respect or at least courtesy than what has been demonstrated here by a few members. Just because they are not friends of yours, doesn't mean they are not friends of many folks here.


If you don't like the product, don't buy it. However, don't belittle the enormous effort someone else made in trying to make a cool representation of an model / prop that would please as many of us as they possibly could.
If you can do better, go for it but if ya cant, then encourage the guy next to you that steps forward and takes on the challenge.

It's a Collectible. If the run gets shortened, which makes it even rarer, you should embrace the increase it will have AS a collectible. I doubt anyone will ever make another Licensed Xwing again.

Bottom line, alot of heart and soul when into the EFX XWING to make sure it wasn't like the ICONS version and it wasn't an overpriced HASBRO.
That it looked as much like the film used prop, and achieved the highest level of quality and the lowest possible price and retaining its collectible value for the foreseeable future.

That's why I feel you misread it Lee.

And Jamie, you should just know better.

best wishes,
Frank
 
Buying something without seeing the FINAL piece is just stupidity IMO. Especially a $1200 (Hasbro-like) derivative... Thanks Lee! :lol

Why there is so much ass kissing towards this thing is beyond me. It it a far cry form the filming miniature. :rolleyes To each his own as they say.


Jamie, GO build a TIME MACHINE and go back to 1976 and steal one off the set. Or, break into the ARCHIVES and steal whats left of RED 5.

Thats the only way you will get a "filming miniature" or build your own. Which I know YOU of all people are MORE than capable of however, most folks here are not so skilled. They are forced to buy what someone else has the boldness to try and produce legally.
 
I don't know why this same issue comes up every time from knuckleheads.

I just remember how I would have killed to have this stuff available when I was younger (MR, EfX).

It's wonderful and I am amazed how good a job they do.
 
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Well, my high end hasbro was a close to the bone statement, but its how i kinda feel about the model Frank, that canopy/cockpit brings down what these lads have done IMHO, but point taken bud, and point well put info wise.

As for buying blind? This is something we all have to do in this hobby, every MR item we bought, was effectively blind, as each model in turn, differed, sometimes greatly (read Falcon) in terms of quality!

Ive spent a lot of cash blind, sometimes for the better, sometimes sadly not, and ive been burned pretty bad on various GK, its the nature of the beast, so i cant agree with Jamie there.

I do however, think the eFX bird is a good model, the good outweighs the very little bad, alloy wings, operating S foils, lights..and hopefully a paint job that wont see a boat load of paintwork complaint threads, sans that canopy, the prop looks good.

I think Kurts price list is a good one, but then how many may have to repaint this bird or have it repainted? Will we be adding those costs to the prop, will that factory paint work really pop, or will painters do it for free seeing as $1200 has already been laid out lol? Time will tell!

As for knuckleheads lol, well yup i hold my hand high for having an opinion on a public board, but is that not a persons right? As stated, if you like it buy it, and im sure you will be happy Stormy but as stated by you, your an armchair quarterback, but i guess a light wash to highlight the detail will make it all better!

The limited buy window? I just feel for the guys that wanted this bird so bad that may now have to face a payment plan to own one in these terrible economic times due to spending over the holidays, shrewd move by eFX, maybe...but i just dont agree with that...again my opinion while we still (kinda) live in a democracy!

lee
 
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A most interesting thread guys regarding this X-Wing and I agree we are heading down turbulent times albeit already!. The situation here in New Zealand is grim too
, job losses on the news nearly every day, just glad to have a reasonably well paid job, touch wood lol!.
I can see totally why EFX have done what they did and to the people that will own one of their X-Wings I think they will be happy as Larry?.
Hey guys, whats the deal with all the MR Snowspeeders on the bay for peanuts, like $16.50 start off, heaps of them at outrageously cheap prices, were they pretty bad or do you think owners are really feelin the pinch and selling to make ends meet?.
Saving my cash for scratch building supplies, I'd rather make my own.
Stu:confused
 
Don't forget, as Barry has already stated, if you buy it and don't like it, you have 30 days to send it back and get a refund. So, not be able to see the final product is not the end of the world and if I'm not correct, if you have someone build an X Wing for you, you don't know what it is going to look like until you open the box.
 
Temponaut, We're looking into ways to make it up to our international buyers ;) We'll think of something to keep you all happy... we hope!

Thanks, Barry! That's great to hear. :) :thumbsup


Don't forget, as Barry has already stated, if you buy it and don't like it, you have 30 days to send it back and get a refund.

I think it's great that customers have 30 days in which to inspect the model and decide whether they want to keep it or get a refund. Keep in mind, too, that (if I'm not mistaken) customers must pay a $300.00 nonrefundable deposit at the time of placing the pre-order. If someone decides not to keep the model, the refund would be minus the deposit, plus presumably the cost of shipping both ways. That might come out close to $500, which will be enough to dissuade some from taking a chance.

I myself placed my order on the first day. This piece looks great to me. :thumbsup
 
Keep in mind, too, that (if I'm not mistaken) customers must pay a $300.00 nonrefundable deposit at the time of placing the pre-order. If someone decides not to keep the model, the refund would be minus the deposit, plus presumably the cost of shipping both ways. That might come out close to $500, which will be enough to dissuade some from taking a chance.

I would think that if the buyer paid in full for a product and was so dissapointed they did not want a product they would be entitled to a full refund deposit and all?

I could understand if someone paid the deposit then decided not to go ahead with the full transaction why they would lose their deposit.

Either way I have ordered one and look forward to its release.

Cheers Chris
 
I'm a purest Frank, you of all people should know that. Take a filming miniature and cross breeding it with lights, figures, and features that were not on the original and you end up with a subjective facsimile correct? I know the argument... and I'll never understand it.

Buying sight unseen and drooling over tiny pictures again just seem silly to me. As far as the Hasbro line, (which I didn't come up with) I guess when it had a light in the cockpit, opening canopy, a light up R2 etc, I can see where the comparison came from.
 
Why would a purest be looking at a mass-market product, or participating in this discussion at all in the first place, given that it could never possibly be of interest to you?

_Mike
 
It's imperative for anyone with creative tendencies to strive for perfection. Conversely, it's destructive to expect to find perfection in everything, including one's own work.

Here's a comprehensive list of the perfect studio-scale replica build-ups I've ever seen:


No offense intended to any of the great builders out there. You know what I mean.
 
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