ave4uevoli
Sr Member
hmm.. v3 - with painting and building services - with one of those metal armatures- and lighting? I would consider it an early christmas if you could get it for any less than $1500... they usually run much higher
EFX X Wing Arrival, Thoughts & Pictures
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My guess would have been more like $2500. At least that's probably what I would have to get to do one. Not that I would, 'cause I don't think I could even do a proper paint job. Airbrushing isn't my bag.
Difficulty level on this item it HIGH, HIGH, HIGH.
$1200 seems like a heck of deal.
These are looking damn good to me for what they are charging.
This is another case of unrealistic expectations by people that generally have champagne tastes on a beer budget.
I think we should wait to pass judgment on this until more of these get shipped out, especially into the hands of some of the X-wing gurus. I am not an X-wing expert, but I can understand what people are saying about the nose looking 'off'. However, we are passing judgment based on a couple of photos of one production X-wing, and as we all know photos can be deceiving.
IEDBOUNTYHUNTER
Sr Member
Really 1200 to 1500 is considered a beer budget for a prop. im not rich but if i was to spend that much for one of these i would expect better than ive seen. and i dont consider my self a champagne kind of guy.
I'd say the entire way you categorize it, like they have apologies to make, and must stand trial to "defend" their product after months and months of truly hard work and effort, probably makes that pretty low on the list right about now.
_Mike
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
The close-ups in that new set of prototype photos are enough to pass judgement on a few things. Two areas the EFX appears superior to the V3, two areas it's not:
The R2 strip detail 'lumps' come to a better height above the fuselage than on the V3 where they're a bit high (even after you've sanded the base of the whole strip to wafer-thinness).
The fuselage shell around the buttplate is inferior to that on the V3, which is much sharper, finer, and thinner, as on ILM X's.
The scribing on the V3 is much more sensitive, consisting of a much finer line. This is pretty crucial to replicating a truly ILM-style skin.
The phantom engines on the V3 are somewhat marred by rectangular cross-section piping instead of cylindrical piping. Also the width of the V3 engine cylinders seems a bit narrow and is 'bolstered' by this tall rectangular piping. The EFX is better here, the phantom cylinders are fatter, and the detail hugs closer to the surface.
The R2 strip detail 'lumps' come to a better height above the fuselage than on the V3 where they're a bit high (even after you've sanded the base of the whole strip to wafer-thinness).
The fuselage shell around the buttplate is inferior to that on the V3, which is much sharper, finer, and thinner, as on ILM X's.
The scribing on the V3 is much more sensitive, consisting of a much finer line. This is pretty crucial to replicating a truly ILM-style skin.
The phantom engines on the V3 are somewhat marred by rectangular cross-section piping instead of cylindrical piping. Also the width of the V3 engine cylinders seems a bit narrow and is 'bolstered' by this tall rectangular piping. The EFX is better here, the phantom cylinders are fatter, and the detail hugs closer to the surface.
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Mike you are very correct. I have edited my post above. There has been a lot of research into this model. They, I'm sure, have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours designing this to appeal to the largest possible audience. Since I don't have one in front of me I will refrain from making any type of biased comments. My apologies.:angel
I think it looks good for a mass produced (sort of) model. Some of the things that don't look right to me are:
Nose cone is just wrong. Too short again. This is why it looks bubbly
Fuselage front (nose)is too short.Still.
The canope doesn't look as streamlined as the original and doesn't flow into the nose. It sits too high in the back . If they had lowered it, the fuselage front wouldn't have that odd bow to it.
The cannons are straight but the pods on the wings are crooked as seen here in post #142
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44838&page=15
For metal wings the edges sure look banged up
Edges on the rear of the fuselage to thick as said earlier
I do think the rear strip looks cleaner than the V3 but not more accurate. In the hi res photos posted recently it looks like the movie prop strip sits up high like the V3
The Phantom engines look great, well except for the visible seam on the engines .
I think the R2 unit looks great.
The engine heatsinks are just WRONG. Especially since the are readily available , this is inexcusable.
Other than that it looks great.:sick
AT-AT Luvah
Sr Member
I am by no means an expert, but please, people. That's not an R2 unit.
That's R2-D2. Get it right.
Carry on.
That's R2-D2. Get it right.
Carry on.
The Phantom F4 engines, are supposed to have a visible seam, just check any Hero model, the F4 halves encase the tube they used to rig in the lighting.
Those new pics, dont look the worst i guess, the wonky guns and trailing wing edges are a bit rough though...but this is another proto right?
lee
Those new pics, dont look the worst i guess, the wonky guns and trailing wing edges are a bit rough though...but this is another proto right?
lee
Thanks Lee, i wasn't sure if the seam was supposed to be there or not.
So with the pics posted of the actual model over at rebel scum - What's the Verdict by all you experts? To me it looks a lot better then I thought but the paint is still a bit off - the nose looks better then we've seen in the pics that caused us to get all stirred up, but maybe not quite as spiffy as we hoped...
What say you all?
Jedi Dade
What say you all?
Jedi Dade
I'm a few years off of being an expert on this (or any other bird) but from a casual glance, followed by a detailed study, there's not really anything that screams to me, 'BUY ME!'
Then again, I guess they didn't really need to actually 'sell' this piece, which points towards its problems, as it was 'sold' to the buyers way before it was actually available.
As an on the shelf piece with that price tag I can honestly see many walking down that aisle.
Then again, I guess they didn't really need to actually 'sell' this piece, which points towards its problems, as it was 'sold' to the buyers way before it was actually available.
As an on the shelf piece with that price tag I can honestly see many walking down that aisle.
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
Yep looks like a glorified toy....:rolleyes
Props.
We can't have what was used on screen.
Some of us are talented to build something close.
Some of us even sell those works, but only on a very small scale, as after all we are hobbyists at best. Not Mass Productions facilities that can deliver to the masses.
Its SO easy to think, if Someone can build something accurate out of their garage, WHY cant a company get a license and make one for everyone.
Any of us, who have ever produced a garage kit, and I have done several, catch our selves thinking the very same thing.
"If only I could get a license,..."
And so many of ALL of us, brag how we would pay for accurate replicas if only someone would step up to the plate and make them available.
What we see here is the class of noble intentions vs. harsh reality.
Someone posted above, that the Xwing was "rushed out for a quick buck"
You should be ashamed of yourself to display so much ignorance of the process. Fine, you don't like the end product, but don't make yourself look like an idiot.
You know nothing of what went into this, or the spirit in which it was done.
You see, someone DID step up to the plate. EFX tried very hard to make an accurate representation of the XWING, utilizing limited reference, but all that was available, talents of members of this VERY board, constraints set by LUCASFILM the licensor, and the mass productions realities of China.
No, they couldn't produce it in the US. Someone tried that once, heard of ICONS? That XWING was FAR inferior to this one, but arguably as noble an effort.
EFX XWING.
Its not a Carbon copy of what you saw on film.
Get over it.
The Paint job is far less than what we have seen the talent here do.
You expected that.
This product is a result of the mixing of all the efforts as described above with manufacturing reality, this is the best anyone here or anywhere else could have done.
If you think its easy to do, then go forth and do a better job? Anyone?
Exactly, AINT gonna happen.
Is it perfect? No. Could it be? Is that possible? Ya think so? Really?
Ofcourse not.
Do you really think the production team didn't care? Did you know they actually SCRAPPED the first version of it completely and started over.
Because of their own frustrations with the production constraints?
Is it not obvious they shared some of the opinions expressed here, and where also not happy with the result.
That's dedication to trying to get it right.
You don't like the nose? Sand it. Its polystone probably. Wet sand it to the shape that YOU like. One version would have never pleased everyone.
Post your pictures here.
Don't like the PAINT job? Repaint it to your taste. One paint job would not appeal to everyone, even if it was consistently the same on each piece, and we all know that would never happen. Look at the falcon as an example.
You think the toy looks better? How many of you own one? Go Buy one and put it on a stick and be happy if you haven't done so.
You will have a TOY that was an out of scale, inaccurate COPY of the ICONS XWING. Didn't see that one coming did ya?
The EfX Xwing for all its strengths, (and there are many) and weakness (some of those too) represents the best that could be done at the lowest possible price. ( Last time I visited EFX, they didn't even have their own OFFICE space to keep their overhead lower. They rented a room from another company and the talented folks from this board mentioned above, each and everyone volunteered their time, and never asked for anything.
How is that for trying to keep costs LOW? )
The EFX XWING.
Its the last Licensed version of the XWING that will probably ever been made that represent the Hero Filmed Red 5 as close and as accurate that can possibly be made.
It's a Collectible in its self.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are others who will appreciate it. I can't wait to see it repainted by some of the folks here. ( Dean you are gonna be busy!)
I don't know.....It Just breaks my heart, to see so much effort go into a project, by a company bending backwards to try and please as many people as they can and so many of you just crap all over them.
We have a company doing their best to bring us cool stuff, and this is how we support them. You know they read these posts. For some strange reason they think its important to do so. For some reason they value your opinion, and do their best to produce the best, given the production constraint reality. EFX isn't a huge corporation, it's a small group of fans just like us. Wonder how you would feel if you worked there, put the effort into a project of this magnitude, something you were proud to be involved in and read these posts. So many of your here really need to self reflect, and show some restraint in the harshness of your posts.
I'm in no way saying anyone does not have the right to express displeasure, or dislike. Fire away.
However, it's the lack of respect of effort, and more importantly the indirect disparaging of the character, intentions or integrity of those involved that I find so distasteful.
Frank
We can't have what was used on screen.
Some of us are talented to build something close.
Some of us even sell those works, but only on a very small scale, as after all we are hobbyists at best. Not Mass Productions facilities that can deliver to the masses.
Its SO easy to think, if Someone can build something accurate out of their garage, WHY cant a company get a license and make one for everyone.
Any of us, who have ever produced a garage kit, and I have done several, catch our selves thinking the very same thing.
"If only I could get a license,..."
And so many of ALL of us, brag how we would pay for accurate replicas if only someone would step up to the plate and make them available.
What we see here is the class of noble intentions vs. harsh reality.
Someone posted above, that the Xwing was "rushed out for a quick buck"
You should be ashamed of yourself to display so much ignorance of the process. Fine, you don't like the end product, but don't make yourself look like an idiot.
You know nothing of what went into this, or the spirit in which it was done.
You see, someone DID step up to the plate. EFX tried very hard to make an accurate representation of the XWING, utilizing limited reference, but all that was available, talents of members of this VERY board, constraints set by LUCASFILM the licensor, and the mass productions realities of China.
No, they couldn't produce it in the US. Someone tried that once, heard of ICONS? That XWING was FAR inferior to this one, but arguably as noble an effort.
EFX XWING.
Its not a Carbon copy of what you saw on film.
Get over it.
The Paint job is far less than what we have seen the talent here do.
You expected that.
This product is a result of the mixing of all the efforts as described above with manufacturing reality, this is the best anyone here or anywhere else could have done.
If you think its easy to do, then go forth and do a better job? Anyone?
Exactly, AINT gonna happen.
Is it perfect? No. Could it be? Is that possible? Ya think so? Really?
Ofcourse not.
Do you really think the production team didn't care? Did you know they actually SCRAPPED the first version of it completely and started over.
Because of their own frustrations with the production constraints?
Is it not obvious they shared some of the opinions expressed here, and where also not happy with the result.
That's dedication to trying to get it right.
You don't like the nose? Sand it. Its polystone probably. Wet sand it to the shape that YOU like. One version would have never pleased everyone.
Post your pictures here.
Don't like the PAINT job? Repaint it to your taste. One paint job would not appeal to everyone, even if it was consistently the same on each piece, and we all know that would never happen. Look at the falcon as an example.
You think the toy looks better? How many of you own one? Go Buy one and put it on a stick and be happy if you haven't done so.
You will have a TOY that was an out of scale, inaccurate COPY of the ICONS XWING. Didn't see that one coming did ya?
The EfX Xwing for all its strengths, (and there are many) and weakness (some of those too) represents the best that could be done at the lowest possible price. ( Last time I visited EFX, they didn't even have their own OFFICE space to keep their overhead lower. They rented a room from another company and the talented folks from this board mentioned above, each and everyone volunteered their time, and never asked for anything.
How is that for trying to keep costs LOW? )
The EFX XWING.
Its the last Licensed version of the XWING that will probably ever been made that represent the Hero Filmed Red 5 as close and as accurate that can possibly be made.
It's a Collectible in its self.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are others who will appreciate it. I can't wait to see it repainted by some of the folks here. ( Dean you are gonna be busy!)
I don't know.....It Just breaks my heart, to see so much effort go into a project, by a company bending backwards to try and please as many people as they can and so many of you just crap all over them.
We have a company doing their best to bring us cool stuff, and this is how we support them. You know they read these posts. For some strange reason they think its important to do so. For some reason they value your opinion, and do their best to produce the best, given the production constraint reality. EFX isn't a huge corporation, it's a small group of fans just like us. Wonder how you would feel if you worked there, put the effort into a project of this magnitude, something you were proud to be involved in and read these posts. So many of your here really need to self reflect, and show some restraint in the harshness of your posts.
I'm in no way saying anyone does not have the right to express displeasure, or dislike. Fire away.
However, it's the lack of respect of effort, and more importantly the indirect disparaging of the character, intentions or integrity of those involved that I find so distasteful.
Frank
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