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Still makes no sense. How is having things explained to you lead to murder?
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Those were entirely separate things during the rant. Being Mansplained her own field of expertise was one thing. Catcalling/harassment, and the possibility of being murdered are another. It was written like someone actually talking, which is why it's not as linear as some people would like.

Maybe you should watch it again if that's not clear.
 
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Those were entirely separate things during the rant. Being Mansplained her own field of expertise was one thing, then she segued into catcalling/harassment, and the possibility of being murdered.

Maybe you should watch it again if that's not clear.
But she lumped it all into one category. She didn’t separate them. She didn’t say “If I get catcalled, I might just literally get murdered. And when I get things I know explained to me by an incompetent man and I get mad, I get called ‘emotional’ or ‘difficult.’” She says, “If I get catcalled, or when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me, I do it pretty much everyday because if I don‘t, I will get called ’emotional’ or ‘difficult’ or might just literally get murdered.” She is phrasing it where she’s implying that she would literally get murdered by having someone explaining things to her. Any writer would have properly separated the two so that it didn’t sound like that.
 
But she lumped it all into one category. She didn’t separate them. She didn’t say “If I get catcalled, I might just literally get murdered. And when I get things I know explained to me by an incompetent manand I get mad, I get called ‘emotional’ or ‘difficult.’” She says, “If I get catcalled, or when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me, I do it pretty much everyday because if I don‘t, I will get called ’emotional’ or ‘difficult’ or might just literally get murdered.” She is phrasing it where she’s implying that she would literally get murdered by having someone explaining things to her. Any writer would have properly separated the two so that it didn’t sound like that.
Sorry, watched the scene again, so I edited the above, but it doesn't look like I got to it before you started replying:
Being Mansplained her own field of expertise was one thing. Catcalling/harassment, and the possibility of being murdered are another. It was written like someone actually talking, which is why it's not as linear as some people would like.

Even if these situations aren't things you've noticed, the women watching this show have been very vocal that these discussions and situations resonate with them for a reason. I would recommend you pay attention to them, and maybe have some frank talks with the women in your life to get their takes.
 
Sorry, watched the scene again, so I edited the above, but it doesn't look like I got to it before you started replying:
Being Mansplained her own field of expertise was one thing. Catcalling/harassment, and the possibility of being murdered are another. It was written like someone actually talking, which is why it's not as linear as some people would like.

Even if these situations aren't things you've noticed, the women watching this show have been very vocal that these discussions and situations resonate with them for a reason. I would recommend you pay attention to them, and maybe have some frank talks with the women in your life to get their takes.
I don’t think I know many people that lump two different things into the same category when talking. But that’s just me.

I get the situations and how bad they are, but the way the dialogue Is written just makes it sound like she was being irrational, especially with the literally murdered by having things explained to her error. If anything, the way it’s written just hurts the chances of situations like that being taken seriously more than help and make people aware of them.
 
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I don’t think I know many people that lump two different things into the same category when talking. But that’s just me.

I get the situations and how bad they are, but the way the dialogue Is written just makes it sound like she was being irrational, especially with the literally murdered by having things explained to her error. If anything, the way it’s written just hurts the chances of situations like that being taken seriously more than help and make people aware of them.
When people are emotional about something, sometimes, they don't explain them clearly. That's what I meant when I said it was written how people talk.

Again, I bet if you have some conversations with women in your life, the conversation was clear to them because they've had similar feelings and experiences.
 
When people are emotional about something, sometimes, they don't explain them clearly. That's what I meant when I said it was written how people talk.

Again, I bet if you have some conversations with women in your life, the conversation was clear to them because they've had similar feelings and experiences.
Okay. But what about her disregard about Bruce? I mean, yeah, being in fear of death by cat callers and having incompetent people trying to explain things to you pissing you off, I understand. But, did she forget that he’s suffered a lot of emotional and psychological trauma throughout almost all of his life? I mean, the Hulk’s existence is due to childhood psychological trauma, not just the gamma rays alone. He was then hunted like an animal on more than one occasion. He was then set off by Loki with the intention of harming the Avengers. Then he’s constantly stressing about the harm he could cause to enemies during missions with the Avengers. Then set off again by Wanda so Hulk could rage through an active city and attack citizens. Then he loses several years of his life due to Hulk being abducted to be a gladiator. The compound any guilt he has for not being able to stop Thanos‘ snap, the grief he may be still feeling for losing his friends that didn’t survive the Endgame (especially Natasha). Seriously, the fact he hasn’t had a complete mental breakdown is a miracle. Yet, she’s so concerned about getting back to work and basically shucking him and his experiences like they don’t matter. I mean, it seems like she doesn’t care about any of that, especially since he’s trying to help her. Hell, if anyone had half of his abilities, I think he would be the go-to guy on how to handle them. I mean, the only way it makes sense she would do that is if they’re setting up her own hubris. That something happens and makes her realize she truly wasn’t ready as she thought and really needs Bruce’s help after all.
 
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Okay. But what about her disregard about Bruce? I mean, yeah, being in fear of death by cat callers and having incompetent people trying to explain things to you pissing you off, I understand. But, did she forget that he’s suffered a lot of emotional and psychological trauma throughout almost all of his life? I mean, the Hulk’s existence is due to childhood psychological trauma, not just the gamma rays alone. He was then hunted like an animal on more than one occasion. He was then set off by Loki with the intention of harming the Avengers. Then he’s constantly stressing about the harm he could cause to enemies during missions with the Avengers. Then set off again by Wanda so Hulk could rage through an active city and attack citizens. Then he loses several years of his life due to Hulk being abducted to be a gladiator. The compound any guilt he has for not being able to stop Thanos‘ snap, the grief he may be still feeling for losing his friends that didn’t survive the Endgame (especially Natasha). Seriously, the fact he hasn’t had a complete mental breakdown is a miracle. Yet, she’s so concerned about getting back to work and basically shucking him and his experiences like they don’t matter. I mean, it seems like she doesn’t care about any of that, especially since he’s trying to help her. Hell, if anyone had half of his abilities, I think he would be the go-to guy on how to handle them. I mean, the only way it makes sense she would do that is if they’re setting up her own hubris. That something happens and makes her realize she truly wasn’t ready as she thought and really needs Bruce’s help after all.
I would say that she absolutely did NOT forget because she called him out specifically for not dealing with his own ****.
 
I think the whole cabin sequence plays really well. Bruce is finally getting a chance to talk to another person who is in very similar shoes to his, and thinks he sees an opportunity to be helpful AND be seen. It doesn't work out that way because her particular physiology is even better at metabolizing the gamma radiation, on top of that she's got a lifetime of experience keeping her emotional responses in check and doesn't have DID.

It's enough for them to have a little bit of a conflict, which results in a fun fight where no one has to get hurt.

It's a tidy bit of storytelling imo.
 
I would say that she absolutely did NOT forget because she called him out specifically for not dealing with his own ****.
Let me get this straight… she tells a guy who has suffered emotional, physical and psychological trauma, not of his own making, and mostly due to circumstances caused by outside sources and other people… to deal with it?

Okay, then.
 
I’m genuinely confused. But since you feel like you’re done with the conversation, I won’t push it any farther.
Sometimes others have had real world experiences that are harder to grasp when you haven't had those same experiences. In that case I find it better to defer to their judgement and appreciate that sometimes you count yourself lucky to be a man.
I'll give you an example. My girlfriend's best friend lives about a 10 minute walk away which can be cut shorter by cutting through a small public park. When my girlfriend occasionally goes over to her friend's house for the evening and I then walk over about 10pm when it is dark to walk her back home she once asked do I "cut through the park". I naturally yes.
She said, as a woman that is just something she wouldn't even consider as there isn't any lighting there and it only has ambient light from the street. I will add, the park is safe and nothing has ever happened there.
That first time she asked me, I took for granted that as a man it didn't even cross my mind to use a shortcut through a poorly lit park.
Does that make me a bit stupid as I could be just as vulnerable regardless of the fact I'm a man? Maybe.
I think it just shows the different thought processes we have and as men we take for granted certain things.
I don't say this a lecture or with any agenda other than to highlight the differences we can have in certain situations.

I hope that one conversation in the show that you've fixated on doesn't taint your potential enjoyment of the rest of the series.

Happy viewing.
As Stan would say, "excelsior!"
 
Let me get this straight… she tells a guy who has suffered emotional, physical and psychological trauma, not of his own making, and mostly due to circumstances caused by outside sources and other people… to deal with it?

Okay, then.
Par for the course. That's what most people say.
 
“Profoundly Impacted”

Those are the two words I would use to describe my experience upon viewing episode one of The She-Hulk. This was completely unexpected as I had never experienced life lessons and insight into the human condition from a Marvel offering. But, yet, that is exactly what was very subtlety baked into this episode. They didn’t overtly hit you over the head with their insight—these are skilled writers, after all, and some of the industry’s best. Most of the life lessons you will only realize after watching the episode for the third or fourth time.

P.S. Thank you to the writers for also taking the time to comment on the chastity of Steve Rogers…I always thought he was too virtuous of a hero and deserved to be brought down a few notches in the perception of his “selfless devotion”. It greatly satisfies me that the current phase of Marvel writers have been taking every opportunity to bring him down, just a bit, here and there. It also frankly makes me feel more comfortable with my own shortcomings to have no one to aspire to be more like. If more of these kind of overt “digs” at Steve Rogers can be expected from the writers, my response is “yes, please”.

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“Profoundly Impacted”

Those are the two words I would use to describe my experience upon viewing episode one of The She-Hulk. This was completely unexpected as I had never experienced life lessons and insight into the human condition from a Marvel offering. But, yet, that is exactly what was very subtlety baked into this episode.

P.S. Thank you to the writers for also taking the time to comment on the chastity of Steve Rogers…I always thought he was too virtuous of a hero and deserved to be brought down a few notches in the perception of his “macho-ness”. It greatly satisfies me that the current phase of Marvel writers have been taking every opportunity to bring him down, just a bit, here and there. It makes me more comfortable with my own shortcomings to have no one to aspire to be more like. If more of these kind of overt “digs” at Steve Rogers can be expected from the writers, my response is “yes, please”.

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“Profoundly Impacted”

Those are the two words I would use to describe my experience upon viewing episode one of The She-Hulk. This was completely unexpected as I had never experienced life lessons and insight into the human condition from a Marvel offering. But, yet, that is exactly what was very subtlety baked into this episode. They didn’t overtly hit you over the head with their insight, these are skilled writers, after all, and some of the industry’s best. Most of the life lessons you will only realize after watching the episode for the third or fourth time.

P.S. Thank you to the writers for also taking the time to comment on the chastity of Steve Rogers…I always thought he was too virtuous of a hero and deserved to be brought down a few notches in the perception of his “selfless devotion”. It greatly satisfies me that the current phase of Marvel writers have been taking every opportunity to bring him down, just a bit, here and there. It also frankly makes me feel more comfortable with my own shortcomings to have no one to aspire to be more like. If more of these kind of overt “digs” at Steve Rogers can be expected from the writers, my response is “yes, please”.

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I'm not too concerned with the catcalling scene because I think it's just what a lot of women, in their heads, wish they could do when guys are bothering them. Also I've seen many a drunk guy that went too far thinking they were being charming or flirty when they were scaring the girl. Most of the times there were male friends to put the brakes on them, sometimes literally. :)
 
I haven't seen the show yet, but I did see the "catcalling conversation" completely out of context, of course. I caught some of the above discussion, and I think nobody is really in a position to trivialize the significance of anybody else's personal experiences- whether tragic or profound. So, while some folks might not find, say, catcalling bothersome - it doesn't mean it couldn't be impactful for someone else.

I didn't have a problem with her rant, because we each have our buttons to push.

But why does she say, "I do it (control her anger) infinitely better than you." Please tell me it's contextually appropriate, because it seems like she's trivializing Banner's experiences relative to her own, no?
 
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I haven't seen the show yet, but I did see the "catcalling conversation" completely out of context, of course. I caught some of the above discussion, and I think nobody is really in a position to trivialize the significance of anybody else's personal experiences- whether tragic or profound. So, while some folks might not find, say, catcalling bothersome - it doesn't mean it couldn't be impactful for someone else.

I didn't have a problem with her rant, because we each have our buttons to push.

But why does she say, "I do it (control her anger) infinitely better than you." Please tell me it's contextually appropriate, because it seems like she's trivializing Banner's experiences relative to her own, no?
It's contextually appropriate, but I won't say more than that because I don't want to spoil you further.
 
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