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[Spyhunter2k]

I don't think she was doing that at all. She explained how she has been constantly suppressing her anger. He only recently has had to manage his emotions to the degree she does as a matter of survival. Bruce insisted his experience was going to be the same for her, she explained how it's not.

Bruce's control of his anger has only RECENTLY risen to the level of Jen's control, simply because her control is so high to begin with because of her being a woman?

I think you're making my point for me, because...that's ridiculous. Sorry, it just is. Women indeed have unique stressors associated with their gender. I don't deny that. But consider that men do as well because of the societal roles and expectations imposed upon us. When I Iived with my family in South America and sketchy situations arose, or animals invaded our space and needed to be dealt with, the wives knew the husbands would step up and take care of it. We weren't trying to be chauvinistic or anything. We just saw that as our role, and to be honest, they did too. But these obligations to take care of certain types of situations, to always protect our families, bring their own emotional burdens and stress.

By the way, here were Jen's exact words:

"...so I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it INFINITELY MORE THAN YOU."

So no, she wasn't saying Bruce's experience just wasn't "going to be the same for her." She was saying that—just by virtue of being a woman—she had more expertise than Bruce at controlling her anger. Bruce's Iife experiences before and since becoming the Hulk, and their contributions to his emotions and control didn't factor in. He was a man and she was a woman. In her mind, that's all that matters and she wins as far as needing and being able to control her emotions.

If you don't see how that's an extreme overreach in logic...I don't know what else to say. Again, I WANT media to be honest in it's depictions of the struggles of certain groups. But exaggeration in doing so can actually work against efforts to encourage the necessary changes in attitudes.

 

[Spyhunter2k]

By the way, I have no problem with what I THINK the writers intended to convey in that scene, which was having Jen point out to Bruce that she wasn't exactly starting out at Level 1 when it comes to anger suppression...that because of societal injustices experienced by women (that he may not be aware of as a man) she already had SOME ability controlling her emotions.

But instead of "I'm actually not a beginner at this anger suppression, Bruce," and her mentioning the things women have to put up with, they blasted way past what could have been an informative, but LOGICAL scene by going all the way out there to her saying she's already an "expert" who controls her anger "infinitely more than" Bruce.

So...good attempt to highlight some of the crap women have to go through, but poor execution due to the illogicality of positing that gender alone is the deciding factor in assessing the level of negativity you've had thus far in your life, and the resultant ability to control one's emotions because of it.

 

[Picard102]

But exaggeration in doing so can actually work against efforts to encourage the necessary changes in attitudes.

I don't find it to be an exaggeration at all. But we're not going to agree, so I'll leave it there.

 

[Paul Andrew]

By the way, I have no problem with what I THINK the writers intended to convey in that scene, which was having Jen point out to Bruce that she wasn't exactly starting out at Level 1 when it comes to anger suppression...that because of societal injustices experienced by women (that he may not be aware of as a man) she already had SOME ability controlling her emotions.

But instead of "I'm actually not a beginner at this anger suppression, Bruce," and her mentioning the things women have to put up with, they blasted way past what could have been an informative, but LOGICAL scene by going all the way out there to her saying she's already an "expert" who controls her anger "infinitely more than" Bruce.

So...good attempt to highlight some of the crap women have to go through, but poor execution due to the illogicality of positing that gender alone is the deciding factor in assessing the level of negativity you've had thus far in your life, and the resultant ability to control one's emotions because of it.

That's a pretty literal take on what transpired in the scene. I think the truth of the matter is more in-between. Bruce was trying to apply his experiences as the hulk to Jennifer, hulk-splaining if you will, and she was retorting with her own experiences that he shouldn't discount. Neither of them were trying to invalidate the other. They were striving for clarity from opposite ends of the conversation.

I'm not saying the writer's room couldn't have conveyed that better or more clearly, but I don't think it was as complete a misfire as all that.

 

[Riceball]

That's a pretty literal take on what transpired in the scene. I think the truth of the matter is more in-between. Bruce was trying to apply his experiences as the hulk to Jennifer, hulk-splaining if you will, and she was retorting with her own experiences that he shouldn't discount. Neither of them were trying to invalidate the other. They were striving for clarity from opposite ends of the conversation.

I'm not saying the writer's room couldn't have conveyed that better or more clearly, but I don't think it was as complete a misfire as all that.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, both were trying to explain how their personal experiences matter in this discussion. I also felt that Jennifer wasn't trying to downplay or dismiss Bruce's experience, at least not intentionally. I took it to be that she was frustrated with her current situation and felt that she had good enough control over her emotions and wanted out and back to her normal life right then and there, but Bruce wasn't allowing it. So of course she's going to bring up every and any argument that she could come up with to try to convince Bruce that she's good to go and that it's safe to let her leave his retreat.

 

[Ron]

Ironically, She-Hulk from the comics (the John Byrne run anyway) would've just laughed off being catcalled or made a joke of it or a joke of the guy doing it.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Nevermind, carry on.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

This must be targeted to a 9-13 year old audience.

 

[Paul Andrew]

This must be targeted to a 9-13 year old audience.

I mean... the Hulk is not exactly known as a bastion of serious adult fiction.

 

[firesprite]

I mean... the Hulk is not exactly known as a bastion of serious adult fiction.

On the other hand, it looks like we may touch on some interesting complexities around the impact of superhumans on law and, discussions about the application of law in general. This is the kind of thing that Marvel has always touched on, and I'm very interested to see what the show has to say on the matter.

 

[Gimpdiggity]

I found the first two episodes very enjoyable as far as their content.

The only thing I’m not really a fan of is the CG, but I’m going to guess that’s been discussed ad nauseum.

I really like the actress playing Jen. I think she’s doing a really good job.

 

[Treadwell]

Liked the second episode. My only beef is that the Perfect Strangers guy and/or the director have made a poor choice in tone with his performance. He's overplaying the comedy. Everyone else is playing things relatively straight with a tinge of humor, but he's in sitcom mode.

 

[bwayne64]

I wonder if Jen can sue her law firm and the others that won't hire her for discrimination. They can add super powers to the Disabilities Act, LOL.

 

[Riceball]

I wonder if Jen can sue her law firm and the others that won't hire her for discrimination. They can add super powers to the Disabilities Act, LOL.

It would be a touch hard for Jen to sue her original law firm considering that she worked for the DA's office. While suing the government is definitely a thing, it's just not necessarily the easiest thing. Being a government entity the DA's office would have pretty deep pockets and because they're the DA's office, they'd also have a lot of resources and personnel.

 

[Riceball]

I found the first two episodes very enjoyable as far as their content.

The only thing I’m not really a fan of is the CG, but I’m going to guess that’s been discussed ad nauseum.

I really like the actress playing Jen. I think she’s doing a really good job.

I think that the CG is fine. I think what's throwing people off is that they're expecting a 1:1 translation of Tatiana Maslaney's face as Jen to She-Hulk when it's not. If you pay attention to the beginning of the end credit animation it's clear that her face changes shape some when she transforms so it's not just Tatiana's face but green, it's really no different from how the Hulk's face isn't just Mark Ruffalo's but green.

As far as the lead actress, Tatiana Malsaney, goes, she is a phenomenal actress. If you haven't seen it already, I highly recommend watching Orphan Black where she plays multiple roles, all clones of the main character. But each character is quite distinct from the other and the compositing work is so well done that you easily believe that they're real clones and not just one actress playing all of the different characters.

 

[NeoRutty]

Overall it was fine. Seeing the discussion here I was really expecting a more controversial scene with the whole "getting angry as a woman" bit... I think everyone is just nitpicking every line these days. 5 years ago I don't think anyone would have blinked.

Literally just trying to be funny "hey I can control my anger cuz I'm a woman in the city... I do it all the time". clever. okay. next.

But to see so much discussion? eh.

As for CG, I found some of Smart Hulks lip sync to be mushy, but then his face has to be altered more than hers... overall though thought it looked pretty good!

I'll check out more eps when bored on a Sunday... but I wasn't big on court shows, and especially not Ally Mcbeal. But for all those lawyer ladies and MCU love-it-alls, looks like it'll be fun for them.

Still waiting on GOTG 3!

 

[Captain Dunsel]

 

[JLeezy23]

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I’m actually surprised that there hasn’t been an outrage because her boobs get bigger when she becomes the Hulk! I thought for sure that would be something that would be vehemently complain about.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Overall it was fine. Seeing the discussion here I was really expecting a more controversial scene with the whole "getting angry as a woman" bit... I think everyone is just nitpicking every line these days. 5 years ago I don't think anyone would have blinked.

Literally just trying to be funny "hey I can control my anger cuz I'm a woman in the city... I do it all the time". clever. okay. next.

But to see so much discussion? eh.

As for CG, I found some of Smart Hulks lip sync to be mushy, but then his face has to be altered more than hers... overall though thought it looked pretty good!

I'll check out more eps when bored on a Sunday... but I wasn't big on court shows, and especially not Ally Mcbeal. But for all those lawyer ladies and MCU love-it-alls, looks like it'll be fun for them.

Still waiting on GOTG 3!

Well it wasn't so much about her anger, it was how she was treating her cousin, talking down to him (womansplaining?) who has been through a hell of a lot more than catcalling and mansplaining.