Why spend 17+ dollars to go see a movie when I can just wait a few weeks and it will be on Disney Plus I'm already paying $10 a month a month for? The "theatre" experience? Barf.
Disney could sell Lucasfilm ?
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The funniest (?) part of the Snow White thing is that no one can really say why the Seven Dwarfs are offensive. Just having little people (which I think is more offensive) in a movie, or little characters, isn't insulting to anyone unless you make fun of them or cast them in a bad light somehow. Is there some stereotypes that they sneeze, are dopey, sleepy, grumpy, etc.? What about when they are heroic characters like Gimli in LOTR, or Zoltan in The Witcher? Are those bad too? Not to mention that in the attempt to "protect" all little people, you have stopped all of them that are actors from getting an acting job, of which there aren't many for them. The main question though is WHO IS THIS FOR?!?!? The people who grew up with Snow White will probably not go see this.
I wonder if this project is going to be “Batgirled” and sent to the netherworld, never to be seen by the public?
Otherwise I anxiously await its release to see if it’s a parody they are producing or if this represents what’s intended to be a serious effort.
joberg
Legendary Member
Well, seeing the costumes so far (I haven't see set pics yet)...I believe it's going to be, as you said, another "Tax purpose's Batgirl"
sbaxter
Sr Member
Yup
The other thing that stinks about Snow White is that these pictures leaked, and then Disney lied and said they were fake. If you believe in the stuff so much that you're sticking it in all of your movies, at least have the balls to stand by it. That makes you even more of a wuss and might make people question whether your company actually believes this or is doing it as a virtue signal to get brownie points.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
There are some "important" points where if you dont watch any of the tv shows, you will be lost. Sure, Strange 2 wasnt exactly sticking with Wandavision but introduced alt vision and her kids which explains why Wanda goes evil in 2. For the movie only audience, you are just left confused as to why Wanda is suddenly evil, super strong (she was the strongest avenger but not ragdoll Strange strong) and complaining about kids.
Sure but isnt this the definition of "fatigue"? The tried and true bad guy comes in, superhero loses. Superhero finds a new power or meaning to gain the ability to defeat the bad guy and wins at the end with CGI cinematics no longer is enough to the average film goer. People are kind of over CGI fighting and shooting stuff from hands. Hell, even youtube has clips made comparing fight scenes from "old" MCU with more hand to hand combat with now which is more CGI. Agreed that not everything was good in phase 1 and 2 but I would argue lower expectations (the concept of cinematic universes wasnt even a thing in phase 1) compared to now where "cinematic universe" is a standard.
Agreed here but its a stupid, short-sighted way to approach developing a company. Like say, by a bunch of studios with aging IPs that no longer appeal to a younger audience and going into massive debt to drive up stock prices before leaving as an "amazing CEO" and making a tidy profit from your stock options. Its short-sighted, greedy, and puts self-interest above the longevity of the company. Now Iger is forced to come back and clean up his own mess which he cant without looking like a dunce (which he is for going on a shopping spree in the first place).
And while these are "independent studios," they are under the same parent and so its the parent company that should try to coordinate among their studios to maximize profit and avoid conflict. Its stupid to spend $200M each on a movie, then release all 3 within the same month so they compete with each other over a limited audience. The movies cannibalize each other. If they were competing studios, thats just capitalism and competition (how the system works where the superior total product which is film + marketing wins). If its by a monopoly, thats incompetence.
And sure, some can argue that Disney is too big to properly manage such a scale to I then respond then Disney is too big and its acquisition of so many studios to become "too big to fail" is a problem and regulators should have stepped in.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
I think this is what hurt Budweiser as well. Budweiser stock did take a dip following their "woke" advertisement of having the transgender tiktok influencer in their ad which led to the boycott. Do think they didnt know their audience but then choosing to quickly distance themselves and run a new ad didnt help matters.
Yeah, the pictures dont look good. Putting the actors aside, that snow white dress looks like an adult Halloween costume and the dwarves look a DnD LARP session stumbled onto set.Well, seeing the costumes so far (I haven't see set pics yet)...I believe it's going to be, as you said, another "Tax purpose's Batgirl"
Maybe the snow white outfit was always goofy but the Cinderella live action dress looked great.
ScourgiousJinx
Master Member
This is hardly the first time the mouse misrepresented themselves yet they get away with it. Few other (if any at all) film studios or entertainment conglomerates make the effort to sell themselves on their wholesome family oriented image and values that D does. Yet time after time they prove that their values don't run deep at all.
Or you could say "They prove that their political agendas don't run deep at all."
Values. Agendas. It's just different ways of spinning the same thing.
Cephus
Master Member
Except they know that their crap isn't selling, yet they keep making it anyhow. How many failures does it take to prove their agenda harms sales?
Whenever I wonder why XYZ corporation did THAT, or made THAT, or said THAT (even in the medical field), I always come back to:
"The bottom line is... the bottom line."
Outside of a government agency, If you don't make money then you don't stay in business. Disney needs to learn that, and FAST.
Lightning
Master Member
Disney as a corporate entity was always non-political (they donated to all relevant politicians) until the employee walkouts forced them to take position in Florida, leading to the DeSantis standoff. What the creatives are doing with the plots of the movies is a related but slightly different issue.
It's not just Disney though. A myriad of megacorporations endore social causes but it's not because they really believe in them. Sure you might have some under their umbrella that do, but by and large they're using those causes as a marketing strategy to sell product, even if it doesn't always work. They're just following trends. The irony is that some of them vocally support whichever cause fits their brand, but won't think twice about using slave labor in other countries to manufacture their product. Or they'll brag about their virtuous moves for representation, yet selectively edit their work in other countries in order to sell product to people who would otherwise be offended by said representation. That's why so many of us rightly call out such hypocrisy on their part.
I'm speaking broadly of course so it's not just another dig at Disney alone, though they are culpable. Ultimately these businesses use whatever strategy that works to sell. Whether it's catering to social causes here in the U.S. or editing out entire characters from a film overseas to appease those audiences, it's all about the money. It's a short term strategy and now it's backfiring. I think the public is starting to finally catch on to when they're being played. People are sick of the polarized nature of spaces that were once neutral ground for everyone. Movies, sports, television, books, etc. It sucks all the joy out of life.
My stance is that if a business is smart, they remain as apolitical as possible. I saw firsthand what kind of damage that kind of thing did with my old job. Without getting into it too much, we had a guest visit our business and their presense alone caused us to lose a sizeable portion of customers because of it. It didn't even matter what my personal feelings on the guest were so much as I could see what a big mistake it was going to be because they were such a polarizing figure. I was against it on that principle alone and I was really disappointed when they had the guest return a year or so later, despite the numbers proving out my theory that it was a bad idea in the first place. We literally had data to back up the loss and it was sizeable.
Ultimately, just leave the politics at the door. Make it about the product/ service, etc. I will say that social media is a huge culprit in this issue because people are so reflexive to post their stance on every subject under the sun when no one asked. Once that trend got rolling businesses started following suit. It was a mistake. Just make a great product and stay out of the fray. Let the product do the talking. If it's truly amazing, it will sell itself. The most successful brands don't need added commentary. This way the company is mostly above reproach because it doesn't feel the need to weigh in on current events. Who really cares what Disney or Nike thinks about the headlines? They aren't pundits, so they need to stay in their lane.
I'm speaking broadly of course so it's not just another dig at Disney alone, though they are culpable. Ultimately these businesses use whatever strategy that works to sell. Whether it's catering to social causes here in the U.S. or editing out entire characters from a film overseas to appease those audiences, it's all about the money. It's a short term strategy and now it's backfiring. I think the public is starting to finally catch on to when they're being played. People are sick of the polarized nature of spaces that were once neutral ground for everyone. Movies, sports, television, books, etc. It sucks all the joy out of life.
My stance is that if a business is smart, they remain as apolitical as possible. I saw firsthand what kind of damage that kind of thing did with my old job. Without getting into it too much, we had a guest visit our business and their presense alone caused us to lose a sizeable portion of customers because of it. It didn't even matter what my personal feelings on the guest were so much as I could see what a big mistake it was going to be because they were such a polarizing figure. I was against it on that principle alone and I was really disappointed when they had the guest return a year or so later, despite the numbers proving out my theory that it was a bad idea in the first place. We literally had data to back up the loss and it was sizeable.
Ultimately, just leave the politics at the door. Make it about the product/ service, etc. I will say that social media is a huge culprit in this issue because people are so reflexive to post their stance on every subject under the sun when no one asked. Once that trend got rolling businesses started following suit. It was a mistake. Just make a great product and stay out of the fray. Let the product do the talking. If it's truly amazing, it will sell itself. The most successful brands don't need added commentary. This way the company is mostly above reproach because it doesn't feel the need to weigh in on current events. Who really cares what Disney or Nike thinks about the headlines? They aren't pundits, so they need to stay in their lane.
Cephus
Master Member
I don't know who started this crap, but it has never worked for anyone. Marvel and DC started catering to the woke idiots in hopes that they would start buying comics. Instead, they just drove away their core audience and not one wokester started collecting comic books. Disney is doing the same thing. They are trying to appeal to a "younger audience", but that audience doesn't want to watch their movies. Instead of drawing in more viewers, they are driving away the viewers they already have and they can't turn back because they'll lose face.
Disney's only destination now is oblivion. They, like all of woke Hollywood, haven't learned that if you want to increase your audience, you don't tell the people already giving you money that you want them to go away.
Now it looks like they're looking to sell 1/3 of their assets, all of their TV channels, because they have to buy Hulu next year and they don't have the money. I hope they just go bankrupt.
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bwayne64
Master Member
Have you noticed how many companies and famous folks, see this stuff happening, and are like, let me get somma that, lol. It's like a contagion. It's funny as hell though. It's more entertaining than most of the movies they make. Glad to finally see some push back on this garbage. Better for a few media companies and actors to go down, than the whole country. Probably too late to prevent it, but maybe the tide can be turned. Couldn't find a fingers crossed emoji, ; )
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