Disney could sell Lucasfilm ?

Feige is the one that drove Phase 4 into the ground and phase 5 isn't going so hot.
True but he is one of the few people that made a cinematic universe possible and has a far better record than anyone in Lucasfilm. He definitely benefitted from having Whedon before he became persona non grata as well (yeah Whedon is pretty overrated but he actually pushes back for art over profits like the family scene in Ultron).
 
True but he is one of the few people that made a cinematic universe possible and has a far better record than anyone in Lucasfilm. He definitely benefitted from having Whedon before he became persona non grata as well (yeah Whedon is pretty overrated but he actually pushes back for art over profits like the family scene in Ultron).
I don't think he's capable anymore, for the same reason that Disney isn't. Both have gone off their rockers.
 
I don't think he's capable anymore, for the same reason that Disney isn't. Both have gone off their rockers.
Maybe. I wouldnt be surprised if the crash is also due to Fegie just being out of creative juice. Although the MCU has spanned 15 years of movies, there was always one looming narrative which was Thanos was seeking the infinity stones. From the first Avengers movie, Thanos was always the looming presence and “final boss” of the series. Now that he has been defeated and his story concluded with “endgame,” the MCU should have ended. The fact that Disney is dragging the dead horse past its epilogue is why its so bad now imo.

Fegie at least bothered to implement quality control and plan out the movies with necessary story beats which is basic but far superior to anything Lucasfilm under Kennedy has done. Just shows how bad she is at her job though.
 
Maybe. I wouldnt be surprised if the crash is also due to Fegie just being out of creative juice.

Fegie at least bothered to implement quality control and plan out the movies with necessary story beats which is basic but far superior to anything Lucasfilm under Kennedy has done. Just shows how bad she is at her job though.
When Disney acquired Pixar & Marvel those studios had their own films mapped out for them, that’s why their movies had successes, it’s only now we can see the rules & control that Disney is imposing on them, which is why they are failing now,…Lucasfilm on the other hand had nothing on the slate when Disney bought them, which is why from the offset they moved in the wrong direction.

Fiege is appeasing his management now, he can’t make films like he used to, the same as Favreau in Lucasfilm, he had a vision at the start of The Mandalorian, but now has taken a back seat & Dave Filoni is the ‘Yes’ man doing what the management want

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When Disney acquired Pixar & Marvel those studios had their own films mapped out for them, that’s why their movies had successes, it’s only now we can see the rules & control that Disney is imposing on them, which is why they are failing now,…Lucasfilm on the other hand had nothing on the slate when Disney bought them, which is why from the offset they moved in the wrong direction.

Fiege is appeasing his management now, he can’t make films like he used to, the same as Favreau in Lucasfilm, he had a vision at the start of The Mandalorian, but now has taken a back seat & Dave Filoni is the ‘Yes’ man doing what the management want

J
I didnt know Marvel already had alot of stuff mapped out before the acquisition. I do think Fegie and Whedon worked together pretty carefully in their vision for infinity war before Whedon was forced to leave though with a strict storyboard to adhere to.

Yeah Favreau isnt bad either but Filloni is an overrated yes man. He definately wears being “Lucas’ apprentice” as a bad to signify his qualification to lead star wars but his output has been biased and middling (way too much love for Ashoka).
 
When Disney acquired Pixar & Marvel those studios had their own films mapped out for them, that’s why their movies had successes, it’s only now we can see the rules & control that Disney is imposing on them, which is why they are failing now,…Lucasfilm on the other hand had nothing on the slate when Disney bought them, which is why from the offset they moved in the wrong direction.

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Did they? I didn't think they they seriously started mapping out stuff until they started developing Age of Ultron. And that's when they decided to go the Infinity War route.
 
Did they? I didn't think they they seriously started mapping out stuff until they started developing Age of Ultron. And that's when they decided to go the Infinity War route.

Yeah there is a ton of retconning of the first few movies to fit with the infinity saga. The most blatant being Hela and the fake infinity gauntlet
 
Marvel had a business plan for the future, they knew roughly where they were heading, similar to Pixar, but John Lassiter was sacked, and now we can see that things have gone sour there too

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Didn't he at one point already have the Infinity gems?
My mistake. I was thinking of the Easter egg in the first Thor movie.

Ahhh phase 1. When the MCU was fresh, untampered with, and had some artistic freedom to it. We went from Jon Favreau, Kenneth Branagh, and Joe Johnston to...heck I don't even know who directed any of them besides Gunn and the Russos.
 
Did they? I didn't think they they seriously started mapping out stuff until they started developing Age of Ultron. And that's when they decided to go the Infinity War route.
I'm not totally sure of the what was or wasn't planned out, but the post credits of Avengers (2012) had Thanos for a quick second, which I would imagine was for the Infinity War route.
I also don't know near enough about the comics and what the movies have or have not followed, and what Disney has changed since they bought Marvel after the start with Iron Man and what Marvel was planning to do.
 
I'm not totally sure of the what was or wasn't planned out, but the post credits of Avengers (2012) had Thanos for a quick second, which I would imagine was for the Infinity War route.
I also don't know near enough about the comics and what the movies have or have not followed, and what Disney has changed since they bought Marvel after the start with Iron Man and what Marvel was planning to do.
Yeah. Basically all of the initial movies for phase 1 was hinting toward the Avengers movie with the "Avengers initiative" and even with the Incredible Hulk movie having RDJ coming to Banner about the Avengers (which was retconned along with Hulk). Im guessing that the goal then was just to make an Avengers movie which is already a pretty big ask. Lets remember that everyone not named RDJ was close to a nobody at that point in their careers.

Avengers ended with the hint of Thanos with a side glance basically, hinting at his existence. I do think they had plans for infinity war from that point although getting there was not all that clear. As Marvel got more popular, there was more executive meddling forcing Whedon to add scenes to hint at sequels and interrupting actually telling a good story which is one of the reasons why Age of Ultron is the worst of the Avengers entries.

But if you approach the Avengers movies as its own independent series, to me at least, it is clear that the main villain is Thanos.
Avengers - avengers fight against an invasion by Thanos' army led by Loki
Ultron - Stark tries to build an AI to protect against galactic threats (like Thanos) but it goes haywire so its scrapped
*civil war - basically an avengers movie. The avengers themselves are split internally so Earth is even weaker.
Infinity war - Thanos comes in and collects all the stones
Endgame - Avengers come back and defeat Thanos

Although the MCU consists of tons of movies, the MCU story is basically the Avengers vs Thanos with the other movies basically being side-content/the appendices to fill in the backstory of what other characters were doing. Now that Thanos is dead and the OG Avengers disbanded, the story has effectively ended which is why everything in Phase 4 and 5 are so lacking imo.
 
Marvel had a business plan for the future, they knew roughly where they were heading, similar to Pixar, but John Lassiter was sacked, and now we can see that things have gone sour there too

J
John was is a serial hugger and that didn't go well with the introverts working for him...the "Me too" Movement at the time didn't help a bit...
Pixar should've remained independent of the Mouse Corp AFAIC! Now John is at Apple and doing well.
 
John was is a serial hugger and that didn't go well with the introverts working for him...the "Me too" Movement at the time didn't help a bit...
Pixar should've remained independent of the Mouse Corp AFAIC! Now John is at Apple and doing well.
Apple? I thought he was head of Skydance Animation.
 
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