Disney could sell Lucasfilm ?

[drusselmeyer]

Too bad Darksiders is already a title. Imagine following a series of young adventurers as they get seduced by the dark side and become successful Sith or other villains.

We have not seen a clean story of how this might happen.

Anakin's transformation was completely illogical in the PT.

 

[Ron]

Definitely. Even though the prequels were not 'needed' in the overall saga, I welcomed them for the story they were telling of the fall of a hero as opposed to the rise of a hero in the OT.

 

[CopperRevan]

In my opinion, the storyline of Revan, Malak and Bastila Shan is the best to come out of Star Wars since the OT. Yes, the themes of Jedi and Sith can get exhausting but at the time, it was far enough away from the Skywalker Saga and captured my imagination and heart of Star Wars all over again and today remains one of their biggest lost opportunities for films or series. Even the book REVAN by Drew Karpyshyn in 2011 was pretty good.

 

[blewis17]

Think about it... if you made a movie with NO Jedi, NO Sith, NO force sensitive bad guys, NO empire (or its equivalent), NO sassy droids, NO hyperspace chases, NO alien smuggling underworld, NO bounty hunters, then it wouldn't be Star Wars. It would be something ELSE, but not Star Wars.

 

[Psab keel]

Think about it... if you made a movie with NO Jedi, NO Sith, NO force sensitive bad guys, NO empire (or its equivalent), NO sassy droids, NO hyperspace chases, NO alien smuggling underworld, NO bounty hunters, then it wouldn't be Star Wars. It would be something ELSE, but not Star Wars.

Which means the story is over. It's been done to death. I agree with you that those elements differentiate Star Wars from other space adventure series, but at this point there's only so much you can make out of the same ingredients. I know some feel that the world or setting is enough to carry the story forward but that's simply not true. You still need to tell a story with relatable characters and to give those characters arcs. Putting a new skin on it at this point isn't going to change it enough to make it fresh. The property has been in existence almost 50 years. I just think it's time to move on.

We have hundreds of comics, novels, video games, television shows, and movies from Star Wars. At what point is it enough?

 

[bwayne64]

Even George started " recycling " In the OT. We got a second Deathstar in ROTJ. George gave us this shi'ite about the movies rhyming, but that was bunk. He just rinsed and repeated, lol.

 

[Psab keel]

He did. Though given that it was merely the backdrop for Luke's triumph and his father's redemption, I can forgive that repetition because ultimately that's not what the story was really about. I'm fine with stories ending. I guess I'm the odd man out in this regard.

 

[Ron]

That's just it. I've heard fans say, "Get away from the Skywalkers. No more Jedi vs Sith or rebels vs. empire stories or swash buckling hero journeys." But is it still Star Wars if you discard those elements? That's what makes it unique to other sci-fi/fantasy worlds. You can try to get away from it and tell stories about bounty hunters or smugglers or what have you without Jedi and the force and all that but, the success of stories like those will then ride completely on the strength of the characters and not necessarily the Star Wars universe itself because you've discarded most of the familiar elements associated with it. At that point, does it really matter that it takes place in the Star Wars universe as opposed to <insert> space universe? Does it really matter that it's even called Star Wars? Let's say you came up with a show just like Firefly and placed it in the Star Wars universe. It could technically fit in visually and thematically as they share enough of a similarity. It wouldn't need the familiar Star Wars elements. But would it really be Star Wars? Would hypothetically existing in the Star Wars universe enhance it in any way? After all, the distinguishing facets of Star Wars - Jedi, Sith, the force, etc. - would not be the focus of the show. At that point it could take place in any fictional space universe. So why then would being part of the Star Wars universe even matter?

I readily admit it's a bit of Catch-22 situation which is why I'm fine with the saga having ended in 2005. There's no where left to go. Rogue One? Andor? Solo? It all felt very ancillary. None of those felt like its own tale. It just felt like they were latching onto the main saga. I enjoyed the Thrawn trilogy of books and the Knights of the Old Republic video game but if those had been made into movies, it would've just felt like more of the same as well. The Star Wars universe is not as vast as it may seem in terms of storytelling potential. Mandalorian had a chance but you see how quickly the writers fell back into familiar elements and by quickly, I mean by the end of the first episode. In a way, I don't blame them.

I realize I'm in the minority on this. I get it. Fans love Star Wars and they want more. But again, is more of the same really more? And if you differentiate it and get away from the tropes, is it still Star Wars?

 

[Psab keel]

I guess the more I think about it all, we've had Star Wars almost 50 years now. 50. Our entire lives since birth. That's crazy. It's literally older than us. But nothing has ever come close to those original films. George couldn't even top himself.... maybe we're old fashioned and we want our myths to have some meaning. Now it just feels like our generation's myth is a plane crashing into the mountainside.

 

[Joek3rr]

Which means the story is over. It's been done to death. I agree with you that those elements differentiate Star Wars from other space adventure series, but at this point there's only so much you can make out of the same ingredients. I know some feel that the world or setting is enough to carry the story forward but that's simply not true. You still need to tell a story with relatable characters and to give those characters arcs. Putting a new skin on it at this point isn't going to change it enough to make it fresh. The property has been in existence almost 50 years. I just think it's time to move on.

We have hundreds of comics, novels, video games, television shows, and movies from Star Wars. At what point is it enough?

And at the time, Star Wars, was in essence a remix, of the old tales. And now, Star Wars is basically just a remix of itself. I mean this is the old EU timeline. There isn't a whole lot that hasn't been covered in some shape or form.

 

[CopperRevan]

This might be a huge stretch but bare with me for a minute. I think the OT should have been the beginning and end of the Skywalker Saga. I have no problem with Star Wars continuing...but in another galaxy far far away from the Skywalker’s. You can still have Jedi and Sith or other factions. What made Star Wars the Star Wars we all know and love all orignated in the OT.

I'm almost there...lol

Has anyone ever heard of Yuji Horii?
He is the creator of the Dragon Quest series video games. Originally he had a trilogy that surrounded a main character. The 3rd installment was a prequel to the first. When that trilogy ended he started another trilogy called the Zenithian Trilogy. It was within the framework but not really a direct continuity of the original but it worked because he stayed true to the origins and heart of producing new story lines and giving us a new team of characters and a very important key...he never defined the whole " universe" and its scope. That was never the focus. The assumption was " somewhere in a different kingdom ". Every story felt fresh while maintaining the feel of Dragon Quest as a whole. Since the two trilogies he gave individual installments with different traits and mechanics highlighted and now he's going on 12 in the lineage. In Japan it's HHHUUUUGGGEE! In North America it is still pretty popular.

My point...

I realize my comparison seems apples to oranges..video game vs Motion picture
But when handled with freshness and vision, and not trying to " define" everything at once, allows for a new storyline with new characters in a new kingdom. The focus can be about the protagonist and their quest as opposed to trying to make everything mechanically conform to the precedent of the original quest and the story of the original protagonist. In other words...move further away or just quit.

Yuji Horii is the George Lucas of Dragon Quest and is even accompanied by a brilliant symphonic suite like John Williams. If you know it you know it. What he did very well was not try to pump a game out every year and keep the story lines, characters and kingdoms fresh all within the scope of the Dragon Quest " universe" and Yes...it's worked very well. Can a Movie work the same?
How many Rocky movies do we need?
How many Friday the 13th movies?
It can get monotonous yes because you are dealing with the same protagonist over and over as well as the same storyline.
For Star Wars, it's hard for me to separate the Skywalker’s from Star Wars. Luke Skywalker is Star Wars. Perhaps, this is the conundrum because their really is no greater story to tell than what's been told so everything thereafter is doomed to fall short...I don't know. For me, other than working on OT lightsabers, I'm leaving this universe because it's over as far as I'm concerned. It might not be for others and that's cool too. Perhaps many of us have not fulfilled our own expectations in life and achieved our own visions and dreams because we confined ourselves to some other visionary's universe instead of creating our own( In terms of writing fiction or movie scripts) and that universe is gone...yet we seem to to be trapped within a dying universe and can't let it go or end and just move on. Words pointed right at me.

Imagine if you fell in love with someone and had a " 3 movie romance" but your story together ended and you both moved on. Yet, you got married to someone else but continued to obsess over your previous flame...over and over and over. Sooner or later your current marriage is going to slow fade into ruin and then you'll be left all alone with nothing but regrets. The thoughts of the other one should have ended before getting married and the focus need be where you are right now on your spouse. The one who is faithful to you and patient as they watch you flounder from the baggage you continue to hold on to and just not let it go. It's late...I don't even know if any of this will make sense to anyone else but hopefully I can heed my own thoughts on this matter.

 

[Psab keel]

And at the time, Star Wars, was in essence a remix, of the old tales. And now, Star Wars is basically just a remix of itself. I mean this is the old EU timeline. There isn't a whole lot that hasn't been covered in some shape or form. View attachment 1711573

This right here is why I lost interest in the EU by 1999. It got so involved and by that point boring that when I heard they killed off Chewie in one novel just to sell more books, I checked out of the novels completely. The stories were all the same. Luke, Han, and Leia couldn't even go on vacation without having some epic blowout with the Imperial remnant. Literally that happened in one of the books. I can't even remember which one because it was so long ago and so contrived that it just felt like, these poor people couldn't live a normal life. There was never any down time or happy times. Every spare moment they had was spent fending off some new crisis and it just got boring. I just didn't care anymore. When you get bored by a STAR WARS story, that's when you know something's not right.

Luke Skywalker is Star Wars. Perhaps, this is the conundrum because their really is no greater story to tell than what's been told so everything thereafter is doomed to fall short.

THIS.

 

[batguy]

I don't see why staying with "the old ST" has to be such an all-or-nothing decision.

They could do a 'Firefly' type series in the SW universe and maybe a few Jedi characters appear on occasion. Maybe the good guys get involved with members of the rebel alliance for some jobs but it's not the core of the series. Etc. It's perfectly possible to dabble in familiar SW elements without becoming EU-type filler material.

 

[Ron]

About 15 or so years ago, Star Wars Insider put out an issue ranking the "100 greatest things in Star Wars". I bit and bought a copy. I expected Luke to be number 1. After all, Star Wars at the end of the day IS the "Adventures of Luke Skywalker and friends."

He was number 9.

The "Jedi Knights" were number 1 followed by in no exact order: Darth Vader, I think Obi-Wan, the Empire, lightsabers, and I can't remember who or what else.

Now, I don't recall if that ranking was by fan vote or by the SWI staff but that was the moment when I realized the Star Wars fandom as a whole doesn't get Star Wars. Everybody has their favorite character or thing and I'm not saying it always has to be Luke but c'mon, Star Wars is about him. By default he's the greatest "thing" in HIS saga; certainly greater than lightsabers. What are you going to tell me next? Indiana Jones' bullwhip and fedora are greater than him too?

 

[Ron]

I don't see why staying with "the old ST" has to be such an all-or-nothing decision.

They could do a 'Firefly' type series in the SW universe and maybe a few Jedi characters appear on occasion. Maybe the good guys get involved with members of the rebel alliance for some jobs but it's not the core of the series. Etc. It's perfectly possible to dabble in familiar SW elements without becoming EU-type filler material.

I think you're right. I may have fumbled my point a bit but that's what I was getting at. You have to tell fresh stories while still dabbling in the familiar elements. You can't go fully one way or the other. Abandoning all the familiar elements takes you away from what makes Star Wars Star Wars. Only relying on those elements gets repetitive.

 

[Joek3rr]

This right here is why I lost interest in the EU by 1999. It got so involved and by that point boring that when I heard they killed off Chewie in one novel just to sell more books, I checked out of the novels completely. The stories were all the same. Luke, Han, and Leia couldn't even go on vacation without having some epic blowout with the Imperial remnant. Literally that happened in one of the books. I can't even remember which one because it was so long ago and so contrived that it just felt like, these poor people couldn't live a normal life. There was never any down time or happy times. Every spare moment they had was spent fending off some new crisis and it just got boring. I just didn't care anymore. When you get bored by a STAR WARS story, that's when you know something's not right.

That's funny. Because Chewie's death in the New Jedi Order novels, which was intended to shake things up, after the Bantam era, used our heroes going up against Imperial remnant and/or a super weapon over and over. (Though to be fair, a bunch of those novels, were kids books.) I know a lot of people consider The Unifying Force as THE conclusion to the Saga. And James Luceno wrote it as such.

For me, the post-ROTJ era has always been a mixed bag. The adult me, likes ROTJ as the end. The kid in me, who totally dreamt of being Jedi in Luke's academy, loves having a never ending line of fascist bad guys to kill. Lol

 

[Psab keel]

I got bored with Bantam era because of the super weapon of the day. By the time Chewie was killed that was the point where I'd had enough so I stopped reading. Even as a teenager I was able to compartmentalize the novels from the films so it didn't feel like I was giving up on the story to never know how it ended.

 

[CopperRevan]

Just a side note. In a recent interview on , I think it was CBS Sunday Morning, Mark Hamill was asked if it hurt not get the lead in the Mozart movie due to the fact he was told " Luke Skywalker can't be cast as Mozart". His response, "Well i was disappointed but i thought all you can do is you've got to move forward you know,"

Isn't that the Luke Skywalker we all know... the boy from Tatooine told he was a moisture farmer, don't think about what's out there because the universe is too big to get involved in a greater way than you are...you're type cast son?

As you progress through the interview you'll see how him and Carry just accepted who they are in this world as "Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia", obviously still having more talents than just that. So here is the other conundrum...Though Luke Skywalker is the heart of Star Wars and the best story within that universe surrounds him, his character embodies the spirit of hope, goodness and faith that keeps running the race to combat evil and always seems to find the good in bad situations. He could have stayed on the farm...not dreamed...not gotten involved...not explored the vast universe but he didn't quit, he kept moving forward. This premise alone makes the Luke we got in the ST look that much more ridiculous but doesn't that also point to the fact that Luke didn't just sit on his duff after ROTJ? I don't believe the story HAD to be told. The last image of the character of the one who embodies the heart and soul of Star Wars deserves the ending he received in ROTJ...not the one in the ST and there lays the problem with most of us who dislike the ST...They touched the wrong set of characters By trying to define the beginnings and endings and in betweens, they've effectively cut off any imagination within this universe and that is what sucks the air out of the lungs.

The whole of the Star Wars fan base is a two-sided coin..1.It's over, move on and 2. No it's not, keep going
Joek3rr described it well. The fan base represents each individual to the core as we've grown from children to adults. We're still here so it hasn't died in us or we haven't let it go...yet we say we want it to end. If we really wanted it to end then it would end in us but it hasn't. Then we point our fingers at the other side for keeping Star Wars going or "the name Star Wars" going out of fear of ruining "what was". We want it both ways but know deep down we can't have it. I personally do not want to divide the fan base any longer. I also don't want to be a hypocrite. Nobody, and i mean NOBODY can take the memories we've all had growing up with the OT. NONE of us will be able to convince others to stop exploring this galaxy but i would urge caution in staying clear from black holes...i'm tired of getting myself sucked into them.

Great Interview!!

 

[Cephus]

This right here is why I lost interest in the EU by 1999. It got so involved and by that point boring that when I heard they killed off Chewie in one novel just to sell more books, I checked out of the novels completely. The stories were all the same. Luke, Han, and Leia couldn't even go on vacation without having some epic blowout with the Imperial remnant. Literally that happened in one of the books. I can't even remember which one because it was so long ago and so contrived that it just felt like, these poor people couldn't live a normal life. There was never any down time or happy times. Every spare moment they had was spent fending off some new crisis and it just got boring. I just didn't care anymore. When you get bored by a STAR WARS story, that's when you know something's not right.

I was really, really picky about which books I read because most of them weren't that great. It's another situation where I'm not a fanatic about anything. I go for quality and not quantity and therefore, I'm never disappointed because I don't expect things to be perpetually wonderful.

 

[Psab keel]

Less is more for me too and quality far outweighs quantity.