Disney could sell Lucasfilm ?
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joberg
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Well, Disney and Hollywood have to be careful about the content of their movies: China is a big problem and Muslim countries are beginning to boycott some of the movies also:
"DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Authorities across much of the Muslim world have barred Disney's latest animated film “Lightyear” from being played at cinemas after the inclusion of a brief kiss between a lesbian couple, the company said Thursday as the movie premiered.
Nations that refused to allow the film to be shown include Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria and the United Arab Emirates, Disney said. The UAE, home to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, earlier this week announced it would not allow the film to screen."
That's what you get by being political. Not only big Corp like the Mouse but also in sport and others...
joberg
Legendary Member
I would go further: Lucas is done, dry and retired! He was the driving force behind one of the most iconic movie and the "World of SW"! Period! While I don't detest the PT (apart from you know who and some of the dialogue
) he hasn't made anything worth talking about. The thing is; George cannot get away from the shadow of his iconic world...It will follow him forever and he can only reminisce about that time and all of the memories it created.He's a little bit like a Shakspearian actor holding C3PO's head in his hand, uttering those famous lines: "To be, or not to be...that is the question"
He was...
CopperRevan
Master Member
Oh man...you had to mention The Dark Tower. Talk about what might have been. They completely botched that one. Stephen Kings magnum opus put into a movie? Never should have been a movie but a series. It's too intricate to be made into a movie. Great points in you post!!!
Unfortunately, Lucas is at the age where the mileage itself rapidly catches up with you. There's really not much time left for the blue-sky Lucas version of Star Wars.
So, here's a thought... why doesn't Disney/Lucasfilm just HIRE GEORGE to Produce or Direct the next Star wars film?!
During the prequel production Lucas said he didn't want to spend another decade of his life doing a sequel trilogy. A decade after that, he sold LFL to Disney.
He will be turning 80yo next year. He's not doing another SW trilogy. It's not happening. He may have enough time left (or he may not) but he doesn't have the desire.
Lucas already gave us six SW movies. Two of them are industry-changing cultural landmarks (ANH and ESB). Two more are pretty solid works (ROTJ and ROTS). One branched out & and felt kinda unique for the genre (TPM). Only one of them is really forgettable IMO. That's a lot of good work from one guy.
He will be turning 80yo next year. He's not doing another SW trilogy. It's not happening. He may have enough time left (or he may not) but he doesn't have the desire.
Lucas already gave us six SW movies. Two of them are industry-changing cultural landmarks (ANH and ESB). Two more are pretty solid works (ROTJ and ROTS). One branched out & and felt kinda unique for the genre (TPM). Only one of them is really forgettable IMO. That's a lot of good work from one guy.
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I never understood all the hate that The Dark Tower film got. From the first announcement, it was said that it was not an adaptation. Had that been what people were expecting, then ABSOLUTELY, it was a let down, but it WASN'T.
It was, (trying to not spoil anything from the books) supposed to be the next 'cycle', but there was one important difference... Roland had the horn with him. He didn't leave it on the battlefield this time around.
The first picture that was released, by King himself I believe, was of the horn with the caption "LAST TIME AROUND". That's how I always looked at it & it's one I go back & watch on occasion.
From what I recall, since the one villain was dealt with, if the series had continued, then the Big Bad, was going to be addressed. I always wanted to see how that played out.
All that being said, if someone found it to just be a bad film, then it doesn't matter what the intent of the filmmakers was.
My feelings were...
As an 'adaptation'-1 out of 10
As a 'Last Time Round'-8 out of 10
but as always, YMMV.
robstyle
Master Member
Uncle George created Crystal Skull, the Ewok Adventures, Howard the Duck, Red Tails, the Prequel Trilogy, More American Graffiti, and some film that only a handful of people have ever seen. As part of a like minded yet creative differences band we get #1 hits. Solo artist Uncle George, not so much.
It's Uncle George's own stipulation of who runs LFL post sale that's caused the most controversy. Any belief of him being the savior of various IP's that Disney have run into the ground is a pipe dream. The most simple solution is generally the answer, give the fans what they want. I hear the music my neighbor listens to so I have little hope of what that garbage is the general public accepts that are not fans. But it does sound a lot like the garbage being pumped out as entertainment media over the past years.
It's Uncle George's own stipulation of who runs LFL post sale that's caused the most controversy. Any belief of him being the savior of various IP's that Disney have run into the ground is a pipe dream. The most simple solution is generally the answer, give the fans what they want. I hear the music my neighbor listens to so I have little hope of what that garbage is the general public accepts that are not fans. But it does sound a lot like the garbage being pumped out as entertainment media over the past years.
But what do fans want? I'm of the age where I saw the OT in theaters during their initial theatrical run. So what I/my generation would want (or even expect) would most certainly be different than kids who grew up with the PT / or the next gen that grew up with the ST would want.
I know may were hoping for the Zahn Trilogy in some form. While I feel the Zahn books were a solid continuation of the OT, would they translate well in feature films? There's a LOT going on in them, including political machinations, an alien assassin species that worships Vader as a god, a cloned Jedi master, and a cloned Luke Skywalker, an alien lizard like species that can "block" the force, and Mara Jade, and Grand Admiral Thrawn.
...and the SW animated series have rewritten the Thrawn arc already, so a Zahn translation is probably not in the cards.
What I'm getting at is... maybe ANY SW feature film from this point on would never hold up to the expectations of modern film audiences.
So what could Lucasfilm do now that we would deem acceptable?
Well, they could:
1) "Re-boot" Star Wars OT (my vote would be for an anime version), or
2) Not make ANY feature length films, or
3) Make an in-between set of films that told the adventures of Luke/Han/Leia just after ROTJ, or
4) Relegate original SW trilogy characters to cameos in other films/TV series, or
5) Do something else out of left field: perhaps a Vader trilogy where he hunts down Jedi during the great purge (although I think that MORE Vader, after Rogue One and Kenobi would only lessen the character. We've had enough Vader IMHO)
For me the only interesting story they could tell would be the formation of the republic and how they got the Jedi to become the guardians of the galaxy.
drusselmeyer
Master Member
There never was a proper explanation of how the Jedi were formed and from where their philosophy was derived. Who discovered the Force? How long did it take for the Republic to realize the need for the Jedi? How was the entire concept forged into the order we recognize?
Too many questions unanswered that leave no potential for solid sequels.
The concept of the Force gave the stories a firm foundation for the understanding of good and evil in the SW universe. Without exploration of the concept, every story will be a rehash of everything already done.
And the audience wanders away...
Too many questions unanswered that leave no potential for solid sequels.
The concept of the Force gave the stories a firm foundation for the understanding of good and evil in the SW universe. Without exploration of the concept, every story will be a rehash of everything already done.
And the audience wanders away...
robstyle
Master Member
All of that's been done. It's obvious leadership all around with Disney is a train wreck. The track record for Disney LFL is public knowledge. It's the closely guarded shinanigans behind the scenes that would fill the missing pieces of the puzzle. When you have actors turning down beyond lucrative pay checks to avoid working with Disney anymore, box office numbers dictating failure, losses after losses leading to stock losing value... That Disney bubble is full of holes. As I stated prior, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Joek3rr
Master Member
There was in the EU.
When it comes to Star Wars specifically, what stories are left unexplored? Seriously think about it for a bit. Almost every story has always boiled down to some variation of the Rebellion against the Empire. Change out the characters and swap the settings, but barring those it's essentially the same thing over and over. Whether it's set 1,000 years before the original Star Wars, or 30 years after you're getting the same plot over and over and over. The EU ran into the same problem 20 years ago.
Isn't it time that Lucasfilm come up with something new? Cause this recycled crap is old and boring.
Same goes for Indiana Jones. There's been 5 movies in 42 years. 5. We've already established that more isn't always better. It's just more, but if they were going to have more credible adventures they should have made more during Harrison's prime or recast him the way they initially planned to in the style of Bond as a serialized action hero. I can't suspend my disbelief enough to believe an 80 year old action hero. Sorry, not sorry.
Are we so starved for more of the same that we're willing to settle for weak facsimiles? If anything all these stories have done is diminish the magic of the originals and become parodies of themselves because it's exposed the story limitations of each franchise.
The Rebellion/ Jedi always have to fight the Empire/ Sith. Indy always has to fight the Nazis. Don't fans want something different?
I'm not accusing anyone so much as I sincerely don't get it.
Isn't it time that Lucasfilm come up with something new? Cause this recycled crap is old and boring.
Same goes for Indiana Jones. There's been 5 movies in 42 years. 5. We've already established that more isn't always better. It's just more, but if they were going to have more credible adventures they should have made more during Harrison's prime or recast him the way they initially planned to in the style of Bond as a serialized action hero. I can't suspend my disbelief enough to believe an 80 year old action hero. Sorry, not sorry.
Are we so starved for more of the same that we're willing to settle for weak facsimiles? If anything all these stories have done is diminish the magic of the originals and become parodies of themselves because it's exposed the story limitations of each franchise.
The Rebellion/ Jedi always have to fight the Empire/ Sith. Indy always has to fight the Nazis. Don't fans want something different?
I'm not accusing anyone so much as I sincerely don't get it.
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Cephus
Master Member
I am really not a fan of franchises. I am a fan of good movies. If you can't make good movies anymore, stop making movies at all. I don't want to see more Star Wars unless it's good Star Wars. I don't want to see more Indiana Jones unless it's good Indiana Jones. I think we've already established that the current owners lack any capacity whatsoever to make good movies.
So stop making them!
So stop making them!
ScourgiousJinx
Master Member
Wasn't the whole point of Lucas selling Lucasfilm for him to get away from Star Wars, to spend more time with his family, work on personal projects/other films, semi retire and get a ridiculous amount of money? I don't see him making that decision lightly, backpedaling and especially don't see him directing another SW film. Even if Disney were actually selling, which they aren't and seems extraordinarily unlikely.
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'Solo/SW story' was different. They recast Harrison's old role with a new guy. He wasn't ideal but certainly wasn't bad. It wasn't a bad movie either. But it's remembered as a dud because people's expectations were too high. (Of course KK screwed up the production too, and it was released right after TLJ. So it had little chance of making money.)
I will go the mat arguing that 'Solo' would be a well-liked movie if it didn't have to match the expectations of being Han's backstory. (And even with those expectations, it would probably have been a well-liked early SW movie if George Lucas had done it in the 1970s.)
'Terminator' has been going through a version of this for the last 20 years. T2 set the bar way too high and they've been failing to repeat that success ever since. The only time they've done something good since then is when they changed the format & expectations and did a (comparatively) low-budet TV show. You could argue that the TV show was the franchise's 'Andor.'
But even after the TV show worked, further attempts with the franchise keep on aiming for another huge epic box-office smash like T2. And they keep failing. The studios killed that golden goose because they wouldn't settle for a lower egg production rate.
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drusselmeyer
Master Member
That is the failing of greedy people: even the owner of the golden goose will develop a taste for pâte'.
Solo tanked because it was an origin story no one asked for and no one needed. It may have been a decent film, but the EU was filled with origin stories and fill in the blank stories that took place between films. Those are always limited in what they can and can't do in order to not disrupt certain points of continuity and thats not even considering that it was one more story with a known character vs something fresh.
Did we really need to see how Han got his blaster or how he got his name? If anything that further supports my position that this franchise has been picked over like a turkey carcass after Thanksgiving dinner. Literally making soup from the scraps of the better meal.
Star Wars may have been inspired by the pulp serials of George's childhood but its structure was a generational saga from the beginning vs a series of anthology stories with new characters and plots with every installment.
This was my argument when TFA was released...what's the point?
"A young orphan answers the call to become a hero and fight against an evil empire."
We did this already. It was called Star Wars. Why do it again?
Hero stories have and always will be a popular film device and because of that, filmmakers have to be innovative in their approach to creating them. That's why Star Wars was such a phenomenon. George took a millenniums old story theme, infused it with multiple cinematic genres, and created a hero movie like no one had ever seen. What did TFA do? The same thing. Literally the same thing. It recycled Star Wars not only in structure/style but in plot. If it was trying to tell a different kind of story, okay but instead, it did nothing interesting. Just an excuse for more brand recognition "stuff": Jedi, lightsabers, rebels, empire, X-wings, droids, wookies, blah blah blah.
The only project that had potential to be somewhat unique was the Mandalorian but of course, Disney being Disney, that show ended up having the sensibility of a Saturday morning cartoon.
Exactly! Certain movie IPs have a longer shelf life than others but they ALL have a shelf life. At some point, you're just regurgitating a lesser version of the original.
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