Deagostini Falcon. Anyone seen this?

[LrdSatyr8]

So I've been waiting for the next pack of parts to arrive for my DeAgostini Falcon and my juices are flowing. For years I've had this little Falcon from the MPC Hoth Base kit sitting on my shelf. I never painted it and the radar antenna fell off at some point over the years. So while waiting I decided to fabricate a new antenna and paint it up. Only spent like maybe 3 hours on it total. But there's a little problem with this little guy. The top gun turret is molded in backward. I could have cut it out and turned it around, but I said what the hell... maybe the whole gun turret turns. So here's what I ended up with. It's not pretty but from a distance it don't look too bad... lemme know what you think!

 

[kokkari]

Thanks for these pics and info Im wondering about the color differences between the 5 ft and the MR it seems drastic could it be lighting? Do you have a picture of the 32inch to put beside the 5 ft for a color comparison the MR looks a little light to me but is it a match to the 32" falcon?

To answer your question, yes the color variations are due to lighting for the most part. I have pictures of the 32" overhead, but you run into the same problem with light variations and color balance. Check out my post back on pg. 22 post# 529 for detailed explanation of this http://www.therpf.com/f10/deagostini-falcon-anyone-seen-209049/index22.html

 

[Tom1971]

Here is what is meant by the toe in or angle in. The red lines represent perfectly parallel lines. Not a huge deal, but if we are talking accuracy about the Deagostini it's something to consider and it appears the Deagostini will angle in.
In order left to right: 5ft / Master Replicas / Fine Molds /Deagostini
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Wow, thanks for all the info guys. Had no idea about the mandibles alignment.

 

[Tom1971]

I just wanted to chime in on the color discussion and give a couple of pointers based upon my experience as a professional photographer for over 15 years. First of all white or a variation of white is one of the hardest colors for a camera to get right. All cameras have built in white balance and it will interpret what it deems as white in the specific light conditions. Film was easy, because it was always set up for natural light or white light. Depending on the lights used to illuminate the model, each give off a different color temperature which casts a different hue when photographed. Better cameras will give you the ability to adjust the white balance for your lighting conditions based upon using a neutral grey card.

This is why when looking at different reference photos of the same white or off white model it looks different all the time. A flash is designated to emit white light, but the problem there is it usually blows out whites completely. So unless you have seen it in person and compared color swatches to the model (which I know some have done), photographed it in white light, or know the exact base color the ILM guys used, it's impossible to say. Here is an example:
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As you can see two totally different colors. The only difference from what I can tell is the second photo added a flash from the camera. The second would be a more accurate representation of the actual color because it used a flash adjusted for day light, however still not totally accurate because the secondary flood light casts a different hue to it. And to make matters even more confusing, we all know that after adding washes, weathering, airbrushing, etc... you will end up with a color different than the base color you started with also. Anyway, hope this helps.

I had a MR Falcon that had a good paint job and always looked great. Then I installed a new lamp in my office and that same Falcon looked a thousand times better. It was just amazing what a difference one light made.

 

[NumberNine]

To answer your question, yes the color variations are due to lighting for the most part. I have pictures of the 32" overhead, but you run into the same problem with light variations and color balance. Check out my post back on pg. 22 post# 529 for detailed explanation of this http://www.therpf.com/f10/deagostini-falcon-anyone-seen-209049/index22.html

Thanks that was a good page of info that I missed nice to see Stephen Dymszos Falcon I hope subscribers get access to the Pantone Chart of colors on the original [/h]

 

[JMChladek]

Adding to the color discussion, I had a chance to compare the color I used on my FineMolds Falcon from a few years ago to what Deagostini is using for their exterior parts and it looks like I got pretty dang close back then. My base coat was a 50/50 mixture of Testors Model Master Camouflage Gray (FS36622) and Model Master Light Gray (FS36495). The Deagostini color is ever so slightly browner than mine, but side by side, they look almost exact. So this will likely be the coloring I use for my model's full repaint. I have a couple bottles of Floquil Grime as well and I may also try a test spray to see how it looks as well.

 

[dano01]

Grime is a match

 

[Vacformedhero]

Grime is a match

Can anyone comment on what the base colour of the five foot model was?

 

[gyoung2993]

I cant , but I got photos of it ....not sure this can help.....I took these a few years back in Huntsville Alabama...it was behind glass....THIS IS THE 5 FOOT

http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=455125&d=1427144203

http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=455126&d=1427144203

 

[darthviper107]

Got notification that Month 2 is about to ship, it says it's coming with the binder as well.

 

[LrdSatyr8]

Got notification that Month 2 is about to ship, it says it's coming with the binder as well.

So did I this morning! Woohoo!! That measn I may actually get it by the end of this week! AWSOME!

 

[Kerberos23]

(edit: sorry I was wrong, Their grime color chip was not a match for the old Floquil Grime)

I was looking through some model railroad forums for any sources for the discontinued Floquil paints since it looks like Grime was what was used on the 32" base coat. Tru-Color Paint sells acrylic paints in all the Floquil colors. Grime is TCP-174

http://trucolorpaint.com/

 

[dano01]

Excellent find, now if we can establish the rest of the colors we will be all set.

 

[zorg]

well its been 2 weeks and i've not had anything, just about to throw in the towel.
no reply to emails and 2 very faint mumbled phone calls in which i don't think there was much understanding.

half the time the login page is down or some other part ,what a disorganised amateurish bunch of muppets

alarm bells ahoy for me!

 

[LrdSatyr8]

well its been 2 weeks and i've not had anything, just about to throw in the towel.
no reply to emails and 2 very faint mumbled phone calls in which i don't think there was much understanding.

half the time the login page is down or some other part ,what a disorganised amateurish bunch of muppets

alarm bells ahoy for me!

Ummm... what are you talking about? Ordering the DeAgo Falcon? I never had no problems with them other then the double messaging when they started. But then again they did just open the ordering to the USA so I expected a few bumps in the road. Don't know why there would be a problem with getting it to Scotland. Whatcha not telling us here?

 

[zorg]

The falcon subscription.

Nothing to do with my location, they just have poor organization. As can be read on other forums as well.

I am genuinely not expecting to receive anything from them.

 

[LrdSatyr8]

The falcon subscription.

Nothing to do with my location, they just have poor organization. As can be read on other forums as well.

I am genuinely not expecting to receive anything from them.

I dunno guy... have you checked your spam blocked areas of your email inbox? I know I had a bunch of my stuff that was being blocked by Hotmail and had to turn off a few of the spam filters to get notifications for membership sites and the like. Might be worth investigating. As for the rest, I don't think they expected the demand for this kit to be as massive as it has turned out to be and they were a bit unprepaired for the influx of buyers wanting to get this baby. I'm sure that right now, this is THE most popular and best selling kit they have ever produced. Hell even I never heard of DeAgostini before they mentioned doing a Falcon kit. So seeing as they underestimated the popularity of a kit like this, there are bound to be a few hiccups at the onset of it. You can't really fault them for that. Just give them a bit more time to work out the rough patches and I'm sure everything will come together. But if you are still having problems, give em a call again and stop being such a worry wort!

 

[LrdSatyr8]

Excellent find, now if we can establish the rest of the colors we will be all set.

I would love to see a color chart of all the paints that should be used on this. Does anyone have a hi-res scan of the Fine Molds chart? I understand it had a good list of colors that matched very well to the original.

 

[LrdSatyr8]

BTW - is it just me or has the forums been acting all weird lately popping up a message asking if you want to leave a page when you click "post reply" or double posting the same message? I wish there was a way to turn the "auto-save" feature off... I keep finding that it causes my typing to miss words while it saves it loses that I've typed. Pain in the tuchass.

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

I was looking through some model railroad forums for any sources for the discontinued Floquil paints since it looks like Grime was what was used on the 32" base coat. Tru-Color Paint sells acrylic paints in all the Floquil colors. Grime is TCP-174

http://trucolorpaint.com/

Thanks for that info! Just went and grab myself a few bottles!

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I was looking through some model railroad forums for any sources for the discontinued Floquil paints since it looks like Grime was what was used on the 32" base coat. Tru-Color Paint sells acrylic paints in all the Floquil colors. Grime is TCP-174

http://trucolorpaint.com/

Thanks for that info! Just went and grab myself a few bottles!