Deagostini Falcon. Anyone seen this?

[dano01]

Companies develop the product and vendors provide quotes for finished product. They would have designed the product via cad or whatever and then gotten their quotes. I doubt any company would bet everything on one product. Now when it comes to replacing parts that people complain about, such as the nose cone, that is a question of whose at fault. If it is the vendor then it will fall under vendor compliance and we will probably see a replacement and it not we will likely not see one due to cost. The hull color issues should fall under the vendor compliance and they will either replace or have charge backs.

 

[Dedalus5550]

Two questions. Are the mandibles towed in? (I know it's "based" on the 32" filming model, but so was the FM Falcon.) And what do we know about this company? If they lose steam midway, I'm stuck with some parts of a Falcon and a wife to answer to.
Thanks,
Mike Todd

 

[LrdSatyr8]

Two questions. Are the mandibles towed in? (I know it's "based" on the 32" filming model, but so was the FM Falcon.) And what do we know about this company? If they lose steam midway, I'm stuck with some parts of a Falcon and a wife to answer to.
Thanks,
Mike Todd

Well here's what I know to answer your questions... 1) No idea... but I'm pretty sure that since it's based on actual 3D scans of the original Falcon, if the original has the towed in mandibles, this one would too... but I don't believe it does. 2) DeAgostini have been around since 1901... Their models are top of the line and everyone I've seen that have gotten any of their kits in the past have been extremely happy with them. I think the reason we haven't heard much about them here in the states is because they are like a well kept secret amongst competitive modelers. Many of the models that have been built from them have seen awards in many modeling competitions. I highly doubt that they will lose steam halfway thru the run. They have a very good reputation!

 

[edspaged2]

if anyone from the US could chime in if I'm wrong please do so. Have companies such as Deagostini been very prominent over in the US? I didn't think they were. Mainly because whenever I've subscribed to these things in the past I've always noticed in the company freecall numbers the country's specific dialling regions. They've always been these ones I've seen pop up: United Kingdom, Europe (Germany and Sweden for some older subscriptions of mine), Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Can't say that I remember ever seeing a US freecall number. But that could simply be maybe because the US print their own stuff.

 

[Vacformedhero]

i am trying to hold out .....letting these issues build up...but you guys are making this difficult to watch these pics....makes me want to go in there and start ripping packages open....lol.. .i do know....once i start , i will not want to stop...at least running out of packages, and then being disappointed....making it so hard on me, to fight the feeling of seeing this kit come together......need a beer...lol

do it , do it , do it

 

[kokkari]

Two questions. Are the mandibles towed in? (I know it's "based" on the 32" filming model, but so was the FM Falcon.) And what do we know about this company? If they lose steam midway, I'm stuck with some parts of a Falcon and a wife to answer to.
Thanks,
Mike Todd

I'm going to guess, but can't know for sure that they will toe in. Based upon the included blue print and available photos,all indicate that they toe in. It's a small detail, but it's crazy how much it bothers me when a model doesn't have the mandibles angled in.

 

[Tom1971]

all pieces went together very nicely and easily also the edge of one piece locks the edge of the other except where there is going to be external boxing attached ad will lock it down if they keep this quality up the hole thing will go together like a dream

Thanks so much for the pics.

Can we get a pic of it on the blueprint with the rest of the parts.

Some of us are way back on issue #4

 

[Tom1971]

I am trying to hold out .....letting these issues build up...but you guys are making this difficult to watch these pics....makes me want to go in there and start ripping packages open....lol.. .I do know....once I start , I will not want to stop...at least running out of packages, and then being disappointed....making it so hard on me, to fight the feeling of seeing this kit come together......need a beer...lol

How can I put this gently.


SCREW THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rip them bad boys open and get building. I am working on every piece as it comes so I can detail and customize as I go. Plus it's super fun to handle and play with.

I won't lie. My Deago Cockpit has come in for numerous landing on my desk while I am watching a movie.

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm going to guess, but can't know for sure that they will toe in. Based upon the included blue print and available photos,all indicate that they toe in. It's a small detail, but it's crazy how much it bothers me when a model doesn't have the mandibles angled in.

What is "toe in"??? Or "angled in" for that matter

Thanks

Tom

 

[LrdSatyr8]

What is "toe in"??? Or "angled in" for that matter

Personally I don't see it... my OCD is bad, but not that bad. Back when the Fine Molds Falcon came out, since they didn't use a 3D scan, they assumed the mandibles were perfectly straight on both sides... but due to the meticulous scrutinizing of some rivot counting members, they discovered that the starboard mandible is actually angled inward by a fraction of a degree causing a "tow in" look that is very difficult to spot unless you compare the two mandibles in a cad program or some kind of computer software. This is also why the starboard mandible's top pot holes are closer to the main saucer hull then the port side. In any event, several of the people who built the Fine Molds Falcon actually manually fixed that problem and it was no minor fix. I think someone also did it to the MR Falcon, but I could be wrong. Personally, I don't think it makes that big of a difference. I think it looks great just the way it is and is extremely difficult to notice. I also think that the "tow in" problem has come from years of storage of the original Falcon and wasn't a factor in the original model, but that's a whole different debate all together. Hope this helps.

 

[Treadwell]

The term is "toe" not "tow". My Grammar Police post of the day.

 

[kokkari]

Both the 5fth and 32 inch studio models have the mandibles angled in. When looking at the Falcon from above the jawbox gets more narrow towards the front of the ship. The mandibles follow this line and ultimately are angled inward. This was not an accident or was it done by warping or storage over time. It was definitely part of the design and in my opinion looks wrong if it does not follow this line. The MR mandibles angled in, but the FM did not. By all accounts it looks like this model will angle in. I will try and post a good photo later when I get home.

 

[ThrakenSal]

The Toe in debate has caused many a fracture to friendships over the years and to me is a point that really doesn't matter that much. Either it is there or it isn't, and to me it doesn't detract from the beauty of the Falcon. I like this ship because of it's very being, not the minutia of a line.

 

[kokkari]

Here is what is meant by the toe in or angle in. The red lines represent perfectly parallel lines. Not a huge deal, but if we are talking accuracy about the Deagostini it's something to consider and it appears the Deagostini will angle in.
In order left to right: 5ft / Master Replicas / Fine Molds /Deagostini

 

[LrdSatyr8]

So what are those pic of? one is the fine molds I know that

 

[kokkari]

So what are those pic of? one is the fine molds I know that

You probably read my post before I edited it. Left to right: 5ft/MR/Finemolds/Deagostini blueprint

 

[gyoung2993]

Here is what is meant by the toe in or angle in. The red lines represent perfectly parallel lines. Not a huge deal, but if we are talking accuracy about the Deagostini it's something to consider and it appears the Deagostini will angle in.
In order left to right: 5ft / Master Replicas / Fine Molds /Deagostini
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kokkari , that is an impressive line up and definitely a excellent find ....the discovery of this, is something , I am sure , not many of us knew about , so that does give perfect clarification , of the accurate detail of the Deagostini falcon , to some of us, thank you for sharing these with us. This helps a lot of people to decipher what this new kit is all about !!!!

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Here is what is meant by the toe in or angle in. The red lines represent perfectly parallel lines. Not a huge deal, but if we are talking accuracy about the Deagostini it's something to consider and it appears the Deagostini will angle in.
In order left to right: 5ft / Master Replicas / Fine Molds /Deagostini
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kokkari , that is an impressive line up and definitely a excellent find ....the discovery of this, is something , I am sure , not many of us knew about , so that does give perfect clarification , of the accurate detail of the Deagostini falcon , to some of us, thank you for sharing these with us. This helps a lot of people to decipher what this new kit is all about !!!!

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NOW HOW DID THAT HAPPEN....HMMMM...OH WELL

 

[Dedalus5550]

The term is "toe" not "tow". My Grammar Police post of the day.

I'm a high school English teacher and I'm very embarrassed. I noticed that, and when I posted the same question at starshipmodeler.com I used the toe spelling. Vanity almost had me editing the post here, but it's too late now.
Mike Todd

 

[NumberNine]

Here is what is meant by the toe in or angle in. The red lines represent perfectly parallel lines. Not a huge deal, but if we are talking accuracy about the Deagostini it's something to consider and it appears the Deagostini will angle in.
In order left to right: 5ft / Master Replicas / Fine Molds /Deagostini
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Thanks for these pics and info Im wondering about the color differences between the 5 ft and the MR it seems drastic could it be lighting? Do you have a picture of the 32inch to put beside the 5 ft for a color comparison the MR looks a little light to me but is it a match to the 32" falcon?

 

[MrSparkle]

I was looking over my parts and was wondering why are the Falcon cockpit seats this red color? In the screenshots I've seen, they look light brown. Should we be painting them to a color that's more accurate?

 

[LrdSatyr8]

I was looking over my parts and was wondering why are the Falcon cockpit seats this red color? In the screenshots I've seen, they look light brown. Should we be painting them to a color that's more accurate?

Yeah the interior pieces all need new paint and modifications. You may want to look at the 3D printed parts that Tony made... really helps a lot.