Daniel Craig is "done" as Bond

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kalkamel

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ie-bosses-Actor-turns-68m-deal-two-films.html

After the mess that was Spectre, I'm hoping this would be the right move. Tom Hiddleston looks to be the front runner, although I'm not sure how they're gonna "reboot" the franchise with Craig gone. It'd be awkward to see Tom there as Bond with Fiennes as M and Naomi Harris as Moneypenny.

Also, I think the writing team of Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan need to be changed. Their stories have gone stale to be honest. After nicely setting up a grittier Bond with Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall, the decision to go back to the Moore/Brosnan type humor in Spectre is mind-boggling. Perhaps they should turn to Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, who did a remarkable job on The Winter Soldier, which was essentially a political/espionage thriller.
 

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kalkamel

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Daniel Craig IS Boba Fett (well at least he should be).

Too late... he's already that weak-minded FOTK that Rey fooled with:
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Oh wait...
 

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Solo4114

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ie-bosses-Actor-turns-68m-deal-two-films.html

After the mess that was Spectre, I'm hoping this would be the right move. Tom Hiddleston looks to be the front runner, although I'm not sure how they're gonna "reboot" the franchise with Craig gone. It'd be awkward to see Tom there as Bond with Fiennes as M and Naomi Harris as Moneypenny.

Also, I think the writing team of Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan need to be changed. Their stories have gone stale to be honest. After nicely setting up a grittier Bond with Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall, the decision to go back to the Moore/Brosnan type humor in Spectre is mind-boggling. Perhaps they should turn to Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, who did a remarkable job on The Winter Soldier, which was essentially a political/espionage thriller.

I still haven't seen SPECTRE, so it's really disappointing to hear that they did a cheesy Moore/Brosnan approach with it. Those are my least favorite Bond films.

That said, there's a really simple way to do this.

Kill James Bond and adopt the "code name" theory fully.

There's even sort of precedent in the opening sequence of The Living Daylights. You DON'T release who the new Bond is, but you DO release that you're considering several actors (Idris Elba, Tom Hiddleston, etc.). You have them open the new film WITH Craig on a mission. The mission goes sideways and Craig is killed, but the new guys survive and complete part of the mission. They report back to M, who tells them that they're all now 00 agents, as part of the new 00 program. They're all given licences to kill, and are informed that the new 00 program is designed to operate more from the shadows. Hence, everyone gets a code name and gives up their old identity. As of now, they are EACH "James Bond." Or you kill off two of them and the one who survives is told "You are now James Bond." Tagline for the trailer: "James Bond is dead. Long live James Bond."

Make a black Bond and cast Colin Salmon in the role.

Salmon already played Charles Robinson. While there's precedent for an actor playing multiple characters (e.g. Charles Gray and Maud Adams), I think they're less likely to do it.
 

Riceball

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I really don't see any problem with Tom Hiddleston taking over the role, I don't remember how it was done previously but didn't have the same actor play Q for at least 2 different Bond actors? And what about Moneypenny, didn't they have the same actress for at least 2 Bond actors as well?
 

dascoyne

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They botched their chance to reboot with Daniel Craig. He was well cast but it's the franchise that failed him.

They needed to adhere to the conventions that made Bond. Bond was always a classic figure. He was the single constant in each film where it was the villains, settings, era and women who changed. This added to his sense of classic poise - that he was always well-tailored and even overdressed at times. In at least one of the classic Connery films (I think it was Goldfinger) where someone even calls Bond and "old man." I recall even the Roger Moore's Bond stood out in the 70's among "modern" supporting characters.

The truth about Bond is that he always ends up on top despite holding on to a classic, even dated, sense of style in his manner and attire.

They started on the right foot with Casino Royale. Craig was the classic misogynist and brutal man's man. That's what people responded to. But then the franchise really lost its way when they tried to emulate Mission Impossible films and then emulate the SW prequels by making it all about his backstory and tying everything together. Bond was never meant to be a character study. They forgot everything that made Bond a durable franchise and sold out to what seemed to be the trend.
 

Solo4114

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I really don't see any problem with Tom Hiddleston taking over the role, I don't remember how it was done previously but didn't have the same actor play Q for at least 2 different Bond actors? And what about Moneypenny, didn't they have the same actress for at least 2 Bond actors as well?

Oh, I don't think it's a problem to cast a new actor. And yes, Desmond Llewelyn was Q for 5 Bonds: Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan. Moneypenny was around for 3 Bonds (Connery, Lazenby, Moore) and then they cast a new one for Dalton, a new one for Brosnan, and a new one for Craig.
 

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karmajay

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Maybe they should reboot Bond and do it as a period piece. To me, Bond works better in the 60s, maybe early 70s.

That's a good idea but then again it did not really resonate with the newer Man From U.N.C.L.E. movie

As a quick turn I saw some tweets requesting Gillian Anderson for Bond. She look spretty cool in a suit. Now that would be cool especially if she could beat everyone up :)
 

dascoyne

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Changing his race or gender isn't progressive - it's pandering to the trend. Bond has always been a durable and innately British institution even when it seemed dated - and that was part of the tongue-in-cheek schtick at times. (Remember the Union Jack parachute in The Spy Who Loved Me?). The early franchise understood this and resisted the pressure to "modernize" him.

Now it seems they're trying to borrow elements of Bourne, The Dark Knight and Mission Impossible.

I think it's a good idea to reboot Bond in the 1960's. Dr. No would be a good start and a bold statement.
 

Edraven99

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I still haven't seen SPECTRE, so it's really disappointing to hear that they did a cheesy Moore/Brosnan approach with it. Those are my least favorite Bond films.

See I'm the opposite... the only Craig era Bond film I enjoyed was Skyfall; though I have yet to see Spectre.

To me Bond is about the suave and sophisticated super-spy that all men wanted to be and all women wanted to bed.

Without that... you have Jason Bourne.

While the Brosnen era films had its faults, those have probably been my favourite of the franchise.
 

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Wes R

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Sadly to me the franchise ended after they got rid of Brosnan. It's not a fun franchise anymore, it's been turned into a generic Bourne Identity knockoff to try and attract new fans who have no interest. I agree suddenly making bond black or a woman is just more pandering to fans who still won't come see it and catering to the PC police around the world.
 

Wolfsburg

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I'm sad to hear this. I was skeptical of Craig at first but ultimately I think he did a good job as Bond. That said, as strange as it sounds, the only Craig Bond movie I really liked was Casino Royale. I still haven't seen Spectre but I didn't think Quantum of Solace and Skyfall were all that great.

If they're looking for a black Bond, I absolutely think Idris Elba should be the way to go (unlike the baffling decision to cast him as Roland Deschain but I digress...).
 

Solo4114

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See I'm the opposite... the only Craig era Bond film I enjoyed was Skyfall; though I have yet to see Spectre.

To me Bond is about the suave and sophisticated super-spy that all men wanted to be and all women wanted to bed.

Without that... you have Jason Bourne.

While the Brosnen era films had its faults, those have probably been my favourite of the franchise.

You should check out the original novels by Fleming. Good stuff there. I found that Craig was one of the best at conveying the literary version of Bond, which is generally my favorite version. Connery's earliest films did that, too. Once you got to the Guy Hamilton formula, though, "movie Bond" was a separate beast entirely. And the Moore era just went nuts with that (which was then repeated in the Brosnan era to varying degrees).


Can't believe he'd turn down 100M for the next two flicks. For 100M i'd star in the 2 biggest trainwrecks in movie history :)

Honestly...yeah, I can. My guess is that he doesn't find it fun anymore, and doesn't really believe in the work. I respect the decision. I mean, it's not like he's gonna die poor, you know? He's just a regular bloke who's the son of an artist and the landlord of a local pub.


Also, towards the end, Brosnan had kind of a similar disdain for the Bond franchise. (Which, given the trainwreck that Die Another Day was, I can't say I blame him.)
 

Riceball

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Honestly...yeah, I can. My guess is that he doesn't find it fun anymore, and doesn't really believe in the work. I respect the decision. I mean, it's not like he's gonna die poor, you know? He's just a regular bloke who's the son of an artist and the landlord of a local pub.


Also, towards the end, Brosnan had kind of a similar disdain for the Bond franchise. (Which, given the trainwreck that Die Another Day was, I can't say I blame him.)

I suppose that's true, but $100 million is a pretty tidy chunk of change for just 2 movies. If I were him, I would have asked for more, something like $175 or $200 million just to see how desperate they were to have me; I'd see it as a win, win situation with no way to really lose. If they refuse and tell me to take a flying leap, no loss there since I didn't want to do the movie anyway, if they agree then I have the satisfaction of knowing just how desperate the studio is and I managed to take advantage of that desperation and score myself a big pay day.
 

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