TheDisturbance
Well-Known Member
Mark,
I don't need to be chastized by you with your "superior" intellect by defining to me what a word means.
Look I'm sorry if you took my defining the word verify personal. I'm just trying to civilly state the facts as I see them. How else can I express that I don't think you verified Ebay doesn't require proof of IP to register under the VeRo program. If you did, you will find that they DO.
Hence the acronym VeRO not RO. :unsure
When I stated that Ebay doesn't require proof, simply put they DON'T. They require PROOF that a member owns the IP. Yes, you must go through the registration process to ensure that you do have a valid IP.
They DO NOT require proof that an alleged auction violates the IP of another individual. The IP Owner simply notifies/tags the auction to Ebay, and then Ebay pulls the auction because they practice a policy of liability avoidance.
PERIOD.
END OF STORY.
Sorry, but I don't understand your above story. In your words you clearly state in bold:
When I stated that Ebay doesn't require proof, simply put they DON'T. They require PROOF that a member owns the IP. Yes, you must go through the registration process to ensure that you do have a valid IP.
But then in this post http://www.therpf.com/showpost.php?p=783109&postcount=52
You clearly state in bold:
Why only have your mouthpiece VeRo auctions off ebay, where it doesn't cost you anything, and Ebay's VeRo policy doesn't require PROOF. They just require a written confirmation that there MIGHT be IP involved.
Then you change it up a little to:
They DO NOT require proof that an alleged auction violates the IP of another individual. The IP Owner simply notifies/tags the auction to Ebay, and then Ebay pulls the auction because they practice a policy of liability avoidance.
Who is this other "individual"? As far as I know there is the seller and the registered IP owner in a VeRo situation. Why would Ebay require proof of an IP of another individual? Please clarify your statement, because I'm having a hard time making sense of it. I want to understand your point.
I know this as FACT because I have SEEN the emails of VeROed auctions from numerous members of the FX-Sabers Forum.
Ebay specifically states that if the auction was pulled in error, to please contact Jim Shima. They also state that they do not get involved in disputes involving IP rights.
Well here's a FACT you didn't know. You didn't know only the registered IP owner can VeRo an auction if it violates thier IP. This shows by your statement bellow.
Why only have your mouthpiece VeRo auctions off ebay
If Ebay's policy, is for you to speak to the IP owner if you feel your auction was pulled in error then that's what you have to do. If you still feel that you are in the right after speaking with the IP owner then your only recourse is going through the judicial system. If the judicial system finds you in the right then you can go back to Ebay and show your proof that your auction can legally be re-instated. If that happens, is that's when Ebay verifies the owner's IP?
So, as I stated...they simply pull the auction to avoid any legal liability on THEIR end.
I agree to a certain degree: The legal liability can come from the IP owner or from the seller if the seller is found innocent under the judicial system of selling a prohibited Ebay item. Then I think your statement would be valid. You would have to go through the judicial system to find out. I would think it would be a big risk on your part to assume that Ebay doesn't make sure their own decisions are legal.
I'm not bashing Jim and being a fanboy of the FSM. I think all the technologies have their purposes. Personally, I would have loved to own one of the V2 blades and not complained about the prices, however due to certain business aspects of that company, and the people's actions and conduct that represent Jim's company, I would not buy a product due to it.
Then don't buy. No one is forcing you to. That's the best way to kill the business of a person you don't like. If you don't like a business because they hire bad people. Then guess what is going to inevitably happen to that business. It's not going to flourish. It's going to die. Which is what you want.
In regards to your comments about Darth Tyranus, you should make sure you have done YOUR homework first before spouting off false statements.
I have done my homework. I didn't have to do any really. It was like watching a Saturday morning cartoon. I saw it unfold before my eyes.
1) DT made a "Call to arms!" thread.
2) Then someone made the Hyperdyne secition/threads invisible.
3) Then someone got rid of Hyperdyne's guild status.
4) Then DT moderator status changed to: No longer moderator. Then it was re-instated.
5) Then DT makes an "Attention" thread in the Hyperdyne section to denounce any bashing or flamming of Hyperdyne. When he started the "Call to arms!" thread that is now gone. :confused
It was crazy stuff, but happened within a day.
He did NOT get his moderator position revoked and reinstated. The particulars involved are not of any concern for anyone outside the Council on FX-Sabers, but had nothing to do with the Hyperdyne issue or whatever you were getting at.
Perhaps or perhaps not, but I'm not the only one who witness the events that unfolded.
He also did NOT revoke Hyperdyne as being a G.U.I.L.D. member because only admins have that authority and ONLY Yoda and Sidious have that power, of which NEITHER of them removed Hyperdyne from the G.U.I.L.D. He was always considered a member, even when the topics had been temporarily moved.
Really, Hyperdyne's still a G.U.I.L.D. member? Last time I checked he's not listed.
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6402.0
Thread was last edited by LUKE SKYWALKER.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 11:43:50 PM by LUKE SKYWALKER »
You are right it wasn't DT that got rid of it. It says it was Luke Skywalker
LUKE SKYWALKER formerly TK-421
JEDI/ALLIANCE Master MODERATOR
Master Force User
Umm...doesn't look like he's currently an administrator. He's definatley not Yoda or Sidious. Have I done my homework? :angel
Do you plan on VeRoing ebay auctions involving the iPod because they utilize an internal accelerometer and even have the iSaber program that people can utilize. I mean, they ARE using the internal accelerometer in the iPhone to register and deliver sound for some applications, so it does violate your "patent".
Maybe you should contact Steve Jobs of Apple directly and issue a Cease and Desist to him. Something tells me you won't though.
I think someone enforced their IP.
http://themacbox.co.uk/2008/08/phonesabers-future/
http://macenstein.com/default/archives/1559