Clone Wars spin off “The Bad Batch” series discussion thread

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Dsimdude

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I tried to sit through episode 1 of this last night. High on action, low on characters & plot. My term for it is "Blaster Porn." Meh...
 

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Mara Jade's Father

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It finally hit me in the latest episode...

I am not sure if this was ever really established before or I missed the info/clues. I had always assumed that what the Republic had paid for (although under devious circumstances) was a clone army and that what the purchased was actual "clones". But now I realize from the dialog of the recent episode, was that they simply bought the "military services" provided by the Kaminoans. Simply put, the Kaminoans and their clones are contractors. That means they may serve the Empire under their current deal but the Clones do not belong to the Empire (or the Republic when they were in power).

So when you think about it and the way the Emperor might think, he may want to cut/phase out any dependency on another party to ensure the security of the Empire. Especially if you are paranoid like I would think a Sith Lord would be. After all, if Kaminoans can create the clones to be triggered to turn on someone or some organization at a figurative flip of the switch, Darth Sidious/Palpatine would have to be concerned about clones that could be created to turn on the Empire. Especially since like any business partner, the Kaminoans are looking out for their self interests as clearly indicated in this series.
 
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BlandoCalrssian

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The voices put me off ... I mean , they have Tarkin , but make no attempt to copy peters voice..... and those New Zealand accents...yuck !!!

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CT1138

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Been loving the first two episodes. The third episode was definitely more interesting for Crosshair than for the Batch. Crosshair getting his own squad, AND showing us that his attitude will effectively lay the groundwork for trooper/civi interaction.

Also, I'm pretty sure Omega's specialty is that the Kaminoans have figured out a way to implant Force sensitivity into a clone. Though why she's female, I'm still curious.
Lol. Omega doesn’t even pronounce her own name correctly.
The accent is strong with that one.
 

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Mara Jade's Father

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…The third episode was definitely more interesting for Crosshair than for the Batch. Crosshair getting his own squad, AND showing us that his attitude will effectively lay the groundwork for trooper/civi interaction.

My son pointed out that this might be the creation of the Death Troopers.
 

squirk

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So…..did Fennec straight-up murder that Pantoran cop and the totally-minding-his-own-business driver that she threw off the transport?

It’ll be hard to root for her as an anti-hero after that.
 

Usagi Pilgrim

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So…..did Fennec straight-up murder that Pantoran cop and the totally-minding-his-own-business driver that she threw off the transport?

It’ll be hard to root for her as an anti-hero after that.
Yup, but don't forget... This is like 30 years before we meet her in The Mandalorian, so, I'm guessing they're going for a full character arc.

Although, come to think of it, we don't know how 'good' she actually is. The only heroic things we've seen her do is because she's serving Boba, & those things were because he's indebted himself to Din.
 

squirk

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Yup, but don't forget... This is like 30 years before we meet her in The Mandalorian, so, I'm guessing they're going for a full character arc.

Although, come to think of it, we don't know how 'good' she actually is. The only heroic things we've seen her do is because she's serving Boba, & those things were because he's indebted himself to Din.

That’s very true. But Favreau seems to be painting with a very broad brush on “The Mandalorian”. Seems like they are setting her up in BoBF as a darker shade of Melinda May’s “fiercely loyal and extremely badass”.

Not saying they can’t pull a head-fake and have her turn out to be a backstabbing straight-up villain, but long-game switcheroos like that don’t seem to be the creative team’s modus operandi.

That’s why this ep of Bad Batch was surprising. If she had tossed the transport driver out at a very low altitude and speed where he might have just gotten banged up is one thing, but that guy is totally innocent and totally dead. And, again, she shot that cop square in the chest.
 

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Usagi Pilgrim

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That’s very true. But Favreau seems to be painting with a very broad brush on “The Mandalorian”. Seems like they are setting her up in BoBF as a darker shade of Melinda May’s “fiercely loyal and extremely badass”.

Not saying they can’t pull a head-fake and have her turn out to be a backstabbing straight-up villain, but long-game switcheroos like that don’t seem to be the creative team’s modus operandi.

That’s why this ep of Bad Batch was surprising. If she had tossed the transport driver out at a very low altitude and speed where he might have just gotten banged up is one thing, but that guy is totally innocent and totally dead. And, again, she shot that cop square in the chest.
Yeah, I agree about the broad strokes. There are characters like Bo & the rest of the Night Owls who are the straight up heroes in other series/stories, but in The Mandalorian, the way we seem to be intended to view them is 'How does their agenda/story go with/against Din Djarin'.

Just like when Boba showed up at the end of ep1, seemed like it could be leading toward a conflict. Then he shows up & becomes an indented ally, & by proxy, so does Shan. By the end though, they straight up walk into the palace, murder everyone in sight (except the dancing slave),& seemingly set themselves up as the heads of whatever enterprise was running out of that place, & I doubt it was an altruistic endeavor.

Heck, for that matter, we might not like the Mandalorian himself if we'd seen many missions before he was involved with Grogu.

So fit those reasons,I think it's difficult to get a read on many of the newer characters agendas/allegiances.
 

squirk

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Why would we see her as a hero anyway? She's a bounty hunter. They've always been, at best, anti-heroes in the SW universe. Even the honorable ones aren't really heroes.
I never said she was a hero. I said it’d be hard to root for her as an anti-hero, especially since it seems like that is how they were trying to position her in The Mandalorian.

It even seemed that that was how this ep of BB was trying to set her up. The word of advice about not always having to follow the rules. The advice to “tuck and roll”when Omega originally fell onto the transport.

Yeah, you could say the “tuck and roll” thing was because Fennec was more concerned about keeping Omega intact in order to collect the bounty rather than any genuine concern for the girl’s well-being, but I got the impression it was the latter, not the former.

Maybe I’m wrong, and they really are going to a whole ‘nother level in terms of character complexity.
 

squirk

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Yeah, I agree about the broad strokes. There are characters like Bo & the rest of the Night Owls who are the straight up heroes in other series/stories, but in The Mandalorian, the way we seem to be intended to view them is 'How does their agenda/story go with/against Din Djarin'.

Just like when Boba showed up at the end of ep1, seemed like it could be leading toward a conflict. Then he shows up & becomes an indented ally, & by proxy, so does Shan. By the end though, they straight up walk into the palace, murder everyone in sight (except the dancing slave),& seemingly set themselves up as the heads of whatever enterprise was running out of that place, & I doubt it was an altruistic endeavor.

Heck, for that matter, we might not like the Mandalorian himself if we'd seen many missions before he was involved with Grogu.

So fit those reasons,I think it's difficult to get a read on many of the newer characters agendas/allegiances.
I hear you. You’re right; it’s murky.

But not harming the slave dancer just plays further into the anti-hero angle, right? Boba and Fennec will readily kill “bad guys” - guys who bought into the criminal world - but won’t hurt “civilians”.

Ostensibly, everyone else in the palace was some kind of underworld criminal and far from an innocent bystander. And I got the impression that there was already some post-ROTJ “bad blood” between Boba and the remnants of Jabba’s court.
 

Usagi Pilgrim

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I hear you. You’re right; it’s murky.

But not harming the slave dancer just plays further into the anti-hero angle, right? Boba and Fennec will readily kill “bad guys” - guys who bought into the criminal world - but won’t hurt “civilians”.

Ostensibly, everyone else in the palace was some kind of underworld criminal and far from an innocent bystander. And I got the impression that there was already some post-ROTJ “bad blood” between Boba and the remnants of Jabba’s court.
Absolutely!

A point I forgot to make was that, as far a Fennec goes-
Yes, she's the one that didn't shoot the slave girl, but she's also probably following Fett's orders, so that was more than likely his call, not hers.
 

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