TKRalph
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Yeah I was going to mention about Wanda being the only one able to match up to Vision. Cap/Barnes being the physically strongest in their team didn't even dare try to fight Vision.
Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)
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Yeah I was going to mention about Wanda being the only one able to match up to Vision. Cap/Barnes being the physically strongest in their team didn't even dare try to fight Vision.
Danakin
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Well, Cap did say he was going to try to take on Vision as a distraction so the rest of the team could get to the jet. Then Ant-Man chimed in with his alternative.
I think Vision purposefully stayed out of the battle as much as he could as he knew he had the power to destroy anyone who opposed him, as we saw how easily his attempt to ground Falcon took out War Machine. He wanted to stall Cap's team as much as possible but most of his moves were defensive.
I think Vision purposefully stayed out of the battle as much as he could as he knew he had the power to destroy anyone who opposed him, as we saw how easily his attempt to ground Falcon took out War Machine. He wanted to stall Cap's team as much as possible but most of his moves were defensive.
TKRalph
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Good point.
Also if I remember correctly...Vision was not present during the Avengers' meeting with Ross. He just informed Rogers that Ross is there. I wonder why? It was mentioned Vision signed the Sokovia Accords
maffhewdc
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I just rewatched Iron Man and that's a solid near-perfect film. It holds up very well. I still prefer Terrence Howard as Rhodey over Don Cheadle. However Don is fitting more comfortably as a credible Rhodey in Age of Ultron and Civil War.
In Iron Man, when Tony says, "I never got to say 'good bye' to my father" and repeatedly speculates about what his father would have done you really get the sense of him desperate to fit into his father's shoes - a boy still in want of approval. In Avengers and Civil War we know that his father really spoke highly of Steve Rogers. And you sense an element of (sibling?) rivalry in his friendship with Steve because of that. What a blow that Steve is protecting the man who killed his parents - his father with whom he was never able to express affection and his mother who coddled him (let's face it, Tony is a "mamma's boy").
At the time of Civil War Tony's personal life is already in shambles with Pepper and him apart. Some folks (including my own brother, who is a more casual viewer) complained that Tony seemed uncharacteristically 'serious' and brooding in Civil War. I could see what they mean but, when I look at his long arc his behavior seems quite natural. Even in the first IM movie Tony wasn't just some smarmy womanizing a-hole. There was always an undercurrent of pathos which made him sympathetic. In AoU you see his fears prodded to the surface by Wanda as hallucinations. By IM 3 we see his PTSD develop. His entire life is a struggle and largely attributable to unresolved issues about control, responsibility, identity and self-worth which can be traced back to the loss of his parents. In Civil War Tony faces the man responsible for his tortured life journey and pretty much the embodiment of every loss and inner turmoil in his life. Blind rage makes perfect sense.
In Iron Man, when Tony says, "I never got to say 'good bye' to my father" and repeatedly speculates about what his father would have done you really get the sense of him desperate to fit into his father's shoes - a boy still in want of approval. In Avengers and Civil War we know that his father really spoke highly of Steve Rogers. And you sense an element of (sibling?) rivalry in his friendship with Steve because of that. What a blow that Steve is protecting the man who killed his parents - his father with whom he was never able to express affection and his mother who coddled him (let's face it, Tony is a "mamma's boy").
At the time of Civil War Tony's personal life is already in shambles with Pepper and him apart. Some folks (including my own brother, who is a more casual viewer) complained that Tony seemed uncharacteristically 'serious' and brooding in Civil War. I could see what they mean but, when I look at his long arc his behavior seems quite natural. Even in the first IM movie Tony wasn't just some smarmy womanizing a-hole. There was always an undercurrent of pathos which made him sympathetic. In AoU you see his fears prodded to the surface by Wanda as hallucinations. By IM 3 we see his PTSD develop. His entire life is a struggle and largely attributable to unresolved issues about control, responsibility, identity and self-worth which can be traced back to the loss of his parents. In Civil War Tony faces the man responsible for his tortured life journey and pretty much the embodiment of every loss and inner turmoil in his life. Blind rage makes perfect sense.
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Goldhawk
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After all the brainwashing Buck went through, I don't think he feels like talking very much, or even feels mentally coherent. Sometimes when he stares off into space you get the feeling he's not really there, he's reliving some past horror. I don't think he is fully capable of vocalizing how he feels IF he even knows for sure himself. Remember, he was Hydra's puppet for fifty years, and was only able to start reclaiming himself two years ago.
Furthermore, Tony is attacking him for something Bucky couldn't have prevented or stopped himself from doing no matter how much he wanted to. Tony's emotions are entirely real, and at the same time misplaced. He should be helping Bucky to hunt down the people who ordered his parents' deaths, not taking out his years of anger and regret on the victimized and tortured human who was used like a tool.
Furthermore, Tony is attacking him for something Bucky couldn't have prevented or stopped himself from doing no matter how much he wanted to. Tony's emotions are entirely real, and at the same time misplaced. He should be helping Bucky to hunt down the people who ordered his parents' deaths, not taking out his years of anger and regret on the victimized and tortured human who was used like a tool.
Here's how I read it.
I've dealt with a lot of folks who were the victims of and perpetrators of grevious tragedies of all sorts. When some folks have a history of having committed something horrific sometimes they feel the weight of responsibility to such a degree that they don't see the purpose of expressing remorse - that there's no reason trying to elicit forgiveness when you don't deserve to be forgiven. Remorse is a private experience.
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Fawbish
Sr Member
To be fair, I don't think Tony's helmet has been damaged in that specific way either.
Artistic licence! haha.
I needs to get me this on Bluray. And buy a larger TV - I've had a 42" for about 5 years, and it feels so small now!
The steelbook is only the fact that is a brushed metal sleeve right? No additional content or extra stuff?
Pretty much. Yeah. I like them because, with the kids in the house, plastic cases get crushed and slipcovers get ripped routinely. Plus they look nice.
Dessa
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This is exactly why Marvels choice of directors and writers to give each their films a certain personality is inspiring!!!! To anyone who has not yet seen the spoof vampire mockumentary "What we do in the Shadows" on Netflix please do.I really do have huge hopes for this film.
Father
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So did Taika Waititi do that short?
What We Do In The Shadows was one of the funniest movies I've seen in a while. I've probably watched it at least six times.
