Joek3rr
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Also in the first movie, the bullets drop to the floor. But in Winter Soldier he's deflecting bullets back at the shooters.
Captain America: Brave New World
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cboath
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I hope there's some super AI in those wings because for that to be the balancer, it means he cannot come close to slipping up once. He takes a single shot, he's a dead man. So, black panther suit wings or not, it only works if you get them between you and him, now...you'd think though, if the wings have it, the whole suit would which is likely how they get around it. But then that begs the question, why not outfit everyone with that type of suit?
Because as Queen Ramonda said in Wakanda Forever, the Wakandans want to be careful who has access to Vibranium.
Well…at least it appears that the sound of the movie has received appropriate attention.
Well…
Disney actors are going to “Disney”, I guess….
Disney actors are going to “Disney”, I guess….
Bloop
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I know they had Sam be Captain America in the comics, but seeing those promo images just makes me think the shield is superfluous for Falcon, and would actually get in the way of his wings. He can already use his wings to shield himself, and he can use them offensively as well, so the Cap shield makes no sense, other than "Cap has to have a sheild because it's iconic." I'd rather they just didn't have the shield, or better yet, didn't try to make someone else "Captain America."
I know this is reharshing an old argument, but while Cap may be a 'symbol,' it was Steve Rogers who was Captain America. They should've just had Falcon get renamed as "American Eagle" or something, and ignored using the shield and iconography, and trying to make him live up to something/someone that is impossible to do.
Bucky always made more sense of taking up the mantle (similar powers and had more of a connection to Cap than Sam did), as he also did in the comics, but I think the other part that doesn't make sense in the MCU is that everyone knew Steve Rogers was Cap, and knew that he was "lost" fighting Thanos (even if the public didn't know he didn't die but chose to live a different life). In the comics, secret identities were more important, so you could replace one masked hero with another and the public wouldn't know. So why try to make someone take over a role that was connected to one man? I know they tried to explain it to some degree in The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, but the government already failed with one attempt to replace Steve, so it doesn't make sense, except from a P.R. point of view, that they'd need to try it again.
I'm hoping that this movie just has Sam give up the mantle of Captain America and just be his own man, but I doubt that'll happen. The real reason to replace Cap is for the name value with moviegoers, to try to sell more tickets.
I know this is reharshing an old argument, but while Cap may be a 'symbol,' it was Steve Rogers who was Captain America. They should've just had Falcon get renamed as "American Eagle" or something, and ignored using the shield and iconography, and trying to make him live up to something/someone that is impossible to do.
Bucky always made more sense of taking up the mantle (similar powers and had more of a connection to Cap than Sam did), as he also did in the comics, but I think the other part that doesn't make sense in the MCU is that everyone knew Steve Rogers was Cap, and knew that he was "lost" fighting Thanos (even if the public didn't know he didn't die but chose to live a different life). In the comics, secret identities were more important, so you could replace one masked hero with another and the public wouldn't know. So why try to make someone take over a role that was connected to one man? I know they tried to explain it to some degree in The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, but the government already failed with one attempt to replace Steve, so it doesn't make sense, except from a P.R. point of view, that they'd need to try it again.
I'm hoping that this movie just has Sam give up the mantle of Captain America and just be his own man, but I doubt that'll happen. The real reason to replace Cap is for the name value with moviegoers, to try to sell more tickets.
"You've gotta do better, America."
I don't even need to watch this and I can guess "Drinker" already hates the film. He only likes films with a certain type of lead.
If they didn't have that line in the series, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. I still think they were trying to appeal to an International audience, but they did it poorly. I think he was trying to say that Captain America appeals to the values of everyone, not just America. He was stupid to say he doesn't represent America. It's in the name.
Still the only thing about this, without seeing it, that bugs me is that Sam needed a super serum or something. We were talking about this the other day and my idea would be something like this:
Rhodey visiting Sam.
Rhodey: Tony thought you might need a little more help in the future if you're going to carry that shield. *Talking into communication device* "Activate Payload Falcon-1."
Off screen officer: Yes sir, activating 'Tweety Bird Protocol'.
Sam: *Laughing* Seriously?
*Cargo pod reenters from a satellite and lands, opening up to reveal a new Captain America/Falcon type suit*
Rhodey: Tony built this using similar nano tech to his last suit. It won't give you all of Steve's strength, but you'll pack a punch.
There Marvel I fixed the issue for you. That's all you had to do.
Eh, this movie will come and go, lose some money, and then Disney will pay Evans to come back like they did Downey. Then Hemsworth will be back. Johansson, Holland, Cumberbatch will all be back. Just keep Ruffalo's insufferable face away from the Hulk. Bring back Eric Bana instead. He was a thousand times better.
Oh wow. Shows how tuned out I am haha.
Neither do I. It's his obnoxiousness about it that I can't stand but that's neither here nor there. I just think he sucks in the role. He was alright in the first Avengers but then he turned Bruce Banner into a whimpering idiot while the writers turned Hulk - the monster of Marvel - into comic relief.
For sure. I'll give credit where credit is due. The scene with him and Black Widow (in India I think it was?) in Avengers 1 was one of the best scenes of the entire MCU. The scene with him lecturing the other Avengers on the helicarrier was great too. You have to play Banner with intensity and as a guy who's mostly on the edge of losing control. He was fine back then. Fast forward to his scenes in Thor: Ragnarok and the part in Infinity War when Thor lands in and Banner laughingly says, "Ah, you guys are so screwed now!" and I'm just thinking what did they do to this character?
Rereading my previous post, maybe I was being a bit harsh calling him insufferable lol. It's frustrating though knowing these movies can be better than they are.
To get back to Brave New World, I thought the first trailer was solid enough and I think there's potential for a good movie if it follows the lead of CA: Winter Soldier. The reshoots are concerning of course. The biggest factor (no pun intended) is how they're going to handle Red Hulk. I'm not sure Captain Sam will be able to take him on but we'll see. Maybe they have a clever solution in mind. Maybe Banner shows up. We'll see.
Rereading my previous post, maybe I was being a bit harsh calling him insufferable lol. It's frustrating though knowing these movies can be better than they are.
To get back to Brave New World, I thought the first trailer was solid enough and I think there's potential for a good movie if it follows the lead of CA: Winter Soldier. The reshoots are concerning of course. The biggest factor (no pun intended) is how they're going to handle Red Hulk. I'm not sure Captain Sam will be able to take him on but we'll see. Maybe they have a clever solution in mind. Maybe Banner shows up. We'll see.
Yeah I agree about the trailer. It was better than I expected considering that the whole production has been a cluster.
I still think they have a major baked-in problem with Sam being regular human. Red Hulk is too challenging. Everybody is saying it.
It's true that the comics put human heroes up against giant monsters on a regular basis. But I think that's partially a medium issue. I think it works better in comic form than in cinema. The movies have gotten away with it in spite of the problem, not because it isn't a problem.
It's partially just the power level problem that affects so many long-running franchises. The strength & resilience of the heroes keeps ratcheting up as the threats get bigger. Vin Diesel starts off as mechanic, and 10 movies later he's throwing refrigerators at helicopters.
I still think they have a major baked-in problem with Sam being regular human. Red Hulk is too challenging. Everybody is saying it.
It's true that the comics put human heroes up against giant monsters on a regular basis. But I think that's partially a medium issue. I think it works better in comic form than in cinema. The movies have gotten away with it in spite of the problem, not because it isn't a problem.
It's partially just the power level problem that affects so many long-running franchises. The strength & resilience of the heroes keeps ratcheting up as the threats get bigger. Vin Diesel starts off as mechanic, and 10 movies later he's throwing refrigerators at helicopters.
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Chris Evans says reports that he's returning in "Avengers: Doomsday" are not true.
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Bloop
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What do think the odds are that Bucky takes over as Captain America at some point in the MCU (sooner than later)? Sebastian Stan has been getting a lot of critical success/awards. If CA:BNW doesn't do huge numbers, and maybe if Thunderbolts does better, I think it's a real possibility. Bucky took over as Cap in the comics, so no one could say it wasn't part of the comics. I'm sure there'd be backlash for "dumping" the "Black Cap," but Disney/Marvel is still trying to make big money on these films.
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