Captain America: Brave New World

[Paul Andrew]

Yeah the 2000s Hulk movies are generally forgotten now.

I don't think Harrison was the best replacement choice even for the profit motive. US presidents are not always very old in real life. Three of the last five were in their 40s-50s. They could have picked a younger actor with more box office draw, or somebody who fits the villain bill better. Mel Gibson would own that role.

Mel Gibson seems to be a genuinely bad person, given his history of antisemitic and homophobic comments, and the whole domestic violence thing. I have difficulty going back to his early roles that I loved as a kid, and I would just as soon never have him near marvel.

 

[batguy]

Mel Gibson seems to be a genuinely bad person, given his history of antisemitic and homophobic comments, and the whole domestic violence thing. I have difficulty going back to his early roles that I loved as a kid, if just as soon never have him near marvel.

Michael Jackson had a certain issue in common with Jeezus Quintana. And yet 'Thriller' is a great album.

Most of the classic rockstars used to mess with 15yo groupies.

The celebrity domestic violence list is long too.

Tom Cruise is the public face of an 'interesting' religion.

Years ago I decided it wasn't worth dying on these hills. A lot of great art comes from greatly troubled people. I just stick to the art and try not to look too hard at the artists.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Michael Jackson had a certain issue in common with Jeezus Quintana. And yet 'Thriller' is a great album.

Most of the classic rockstars used to mess with 15yo groupies.

The celebrity domestic violence list is long too.

Tom Cruise is the public face of an 'interesting' religion.

Years ago I decided it wasn't worth dying on these hills. A lot of great art comes from greatly troubled people. I just stick to the art and try not to look too hard at the artists.

I'm happy that works for you.
There's more media than I can ever consume, without having to watch the stuff that's made by people I can't give a pass to.

 

[batguy]

I'm happy that works for you.

If it makes you feel any less queasy - I recall Robert Downey Jr sticking up for Mel Gibson when one of those bad stories hit. RDJ said that years ago when his own addictions were raging and his career looked dead, Mel was one of the only people in town who didn't desert him.

People are complicated. Some really do learn from their mistakes and become better. Others stay the same or get worse. That's been my experience anyway.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

 

[batguy]

I would be curious to see this movie's production history laid out in meme-size form. The moving dates of production & release, the ongoing reshoots, the growing budget totals, etc.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

If they were smart they would have come up with a way to give him the super serum. It makes zero sense that he could fight any kind of Hulk with no powers. The shield isn't magic.

 

[batguy]

If they were smart they would have come up with a way to give him the super serum. It makes zero sense that he could fight any kind of Hulk with no powers. The shield isn't magic.

I might have phrased that "if they were competent."

 

[renaissance_man]

If they were smart they would have come up with a way to give him the super serum. It makes zero sense that he could fight any kind of Hulk with no powers. The shield isn't magic.

This has been addressed in a recent interview with the director. I think it's going to come down to tactics and maybe tech rather than brute force.

 

[batguy]

This has been addressed in a recent interview with the director. I think it's going to come down to tactics and maybe tech rather than brute force.

The trailers have already shown things that are way beyond human limits. There's no rationalizing it.


Yeah, I know, it's standard superhero movie stuff . . . but that's the problem. This movie will probably sell tickets like a standard superhero movie. Which means it will be a huge bomb.

 

[Meerkat67]

This has been addressed in a recent interview with the director.

Yes and who is the director?

I agree with others,,, seems weird for mackies character to don the shield even though we did see this possibilty in endgame.

Without the russo brothers who turn marvel into gold as far as i,m concerned i aint sure about this one unfortunately.

Great to see Harrison in it tho

 

[renaissance_man]

I know my comments and replies will not change the minds of those who have already decided they hate this film but I'm just trying to give some balance to all the negativity.
Threads very quickly descend into vitriol and as is the case here that has started to happen before anyone has even seen the film.
The world is already a pretty negative place, it would be nice to try and keep things at least on an even keel.
To each their own but this section of the board is fast becoming the slam corner.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

This has been addressed in a recent interview with the director. I think it's going to come down to tactics and maybe tech rather than brute force.

Well that's how I hoped they would do it, but they show him pushing back against the red Hulk's fist. Without super strength, he'd be a stain, under the shield, not able to push back.

 

[Meerkat67]

I know my comments and replies will not change the minds of those who have already decided they hate this film but I'm just trying to give some balance to all the negativity.
Threads very quickly descend into vitriol and as is the case here that has started to happen before anyone has even seen the film.
The world is already a pretty negative place, it would be nice to try and keep things at least on an evening keel.
To each their own but this section of the board is fast becoming the slam corner.

Mate i think your being a bit melodramatic here talking about the world being in a pretty negative place,, for goodness sake the thread is discussing a movie which has not even been released yet.

Last time i checked its normal to have discussions and debates/ views etc on open discussion forums providing its within forum rules of course, so as far as i,m concerned personally i believe things are very even-keeled here on this very thread but it appears its personal to you..

If you track back in this thread renaissance_man i,m sure you will find some positives in the posts you deem negative.

Its just a movie mate,,it is not real, people should be allowed to express their views in my opinion whether it be real or not.

 

[cboath]

The trailers have already shown things that are way beyond human limits. There's no rationalizing it.


Yeah, I know, it's standard superhero movie stuff . . . but that's the problem. This movie will probably sell tickets like a standard superhero movie. Which means it will be a huge bomb.

Funny where the line gets drawn....

Very first iron man, tony goes from awkwardly flying around his garage to flying through the city as a near expert - suit malfunction notwithstanding. Obadiah never set foot in a suit of any kind (short of a 3 piece suit) and is able to run it like a prop from the very first step. Not mention them all withstanding absurd g-forces, etc.

Steve Rodgers survives 60 years in a block of ice, no problem.

Bucky survived a 100ft+ fall and only lost an arm and came back equal to steve (sure, he got the SS serum but still, not before the fall).

Everything the hulk has done and the only things we can be sure he killed where chatauri?

I'm sure people can pull out more stuff than that. It's early and I just woke up

Maybe sam vs red hulk is a bigger stretch, but still. I do agree though, nothing sam can do on his own would even scratch the hulk. Take one hit, and you're dead. Plain and simple.

 

[batguy]

Funny where the line gets drawn....

Very first iron man, tony goes from awkwardly flying around his garage to flying through the city as a near expert - suit malfunction notwithstanding. Obadiah never set foot in a suit of any kind (short of a 3 piece suit) and is able to run it like a prop from the very first step. Not mention them all withstanding absurd g-forces, etc.

Steve Rodgers survives 60 years in a block of ice, no problem.

Bucky survived a 100ft+ fall and only lost an arm and came back equal to steve (sure, he got the SS serum but still, not before the fall).

Everything the hulk has done and the only things we can be sure he killed where chatauri?

I'm sure people can pull out more stuff than that. It's early and I just woke up

Maybe sam vs red hulk is a bigger stretch, but still. I do agree though, nothing sam can do on his own would even scratch the hulk. Take one hit, and you're dead. Plain and simple.

This is my point, though. This new movie looks like a typical superhero movie. And that won't be enough to earn back what they spent on it.

Most of the early Marvel flicks wouldn't make the same money today that they made 10-15 years ago. The genre is still workable (if they keep their budgets in line) but it's well past the peak.

 

[jts1031]

This is my point, though. This new movie looks like a typical superhero movie. And that won't be enough to earn back what they spent on it.

Most of the early Marvel flicks wouldn't make the same money today that they made 10-15 years ago. The genre is still workable (if they keep their budgets in line) but it's well past the peak.

And of course if it does under perform, the studios will then make the audience the scapegoat instead of looking at their track record as of late.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

And of course if it does under perform, the studios will then make the audience the scapegoat instead of looking at their track record as of late.

The audience has a problem with red, angry, 82 year olds?

Sad.

 

[Tan Djarka]

Isn't that what Ford looked like when they floated the idea of another Han Solo feature? I keed...

I've seen the trailers and, honestly, I see nothing especially compelling about the whole deal. But I do share the nagging impression that without Steve Rogers level "powers", a bit of the conflict does seem far fetched, even in universe.

 

[Cephus]

This is my point, though. This new movie looks like a typical superhero movie. And that won't be enough to earn back what they spent on it.

Most of the early Marvel flicks wouldn't make the same money today that they made 10-15 years ago. The genre is still workable (if they keep their budgets in line) but it's well past the peak.

Marvel, at the time, made the movies that people at the time wanted to see and were willing to pay for. That's why they made a lot of money. Some of that was luck, granted, but a lot of it was just good movie making. Today, Marvel is not making movies that people want to see and are willing to pay for. People are TELLING them that. They are ignoring their audience and making the movies that MARVEL (and Disney) wants to make, not what the audience wants to consume.

That's why they continue to fail.