Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?

[Newbie Doobie]

Oh please,
Whoever is paying you to do that is wasting their money.

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lollollol I have to agree! With all the new technology that is invested in catching things like this! This isn't a personal attack,just stating a fact.

 

[exoray]

Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate :cool

When it comes to this subject there is no 'keeping things simple'

One person sees similarities where others see differences.

Not but when people try and put a spin like "maybe he sculpted the bump to make it more accurate" or "maybe it's coincidental paint drip" then Occam's razor is very relevant, there are a million what ifs but Occam's razor suggest we not cloud the likely hypothesis with what ifs...

 

[defstartrooper]

And I would guess that you will agree that it's the small tells and minute details that give most decent counterfeits away... I suspect any good counterfeit currency is probably 95% or more near perfect, and like this helmet case you focus on the small details to make your determination...

I wouldn't call that a small detail though that bump would be glaringly obvious on the form so why leave it there if he recast another face and cleaned up the form ?
If it is the case that he overlooked this bump which i find hard to believe given that it would be so obvious there should be many more tells present.

 

[GINO]

That bump is not a glaringly obvious detail unless you are specifically looking for it.
If, IF it was removed on later versions of his, I'm sure it was done so by accident while he was giving the whole thing a 'once over'.

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[defstartrooper]

That bump is not a glaringly obvious detail unless you are specifically looking for it.
If, IF it was removed on later versions of his, I'm sure it was done so by accident while he was giving the whole thing a 'once over'.

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Gino you said he recast a face and cleaned it up so i guess by that logic he would be looking for things exactly like that bump which would be tells.
Do you really think a bump that is visible on the outside of a pull would not stand out like a sore thumb on the actual form ?
It's clear the vocoder area is sharper than other helmets so again if he recast and cleaned up the form he must have reworked that area, so i really don't see how he would not notice that bump right by the part of it he supposedly reworked.

 

[exoray]

I wouldn't call that a small detail though that bump would be glaringly obvious on the form so why leave it there if he recast another face and cleaned up the form ?

And if as you said it was so glaringly obvious then why leave it there on his suppposed original sculpt? It plays both ways...

The truth is what you might consider glaringly obvious, might not have been so at the time... I have cleaned up tons of things only to paint then and finish them to then later see what should have been glaringly obvious, it happens... I just cleaned up a Ghostbusters pack shell, it has about 5 separate finish coats on it because everytime I thought I was done something else jumped out, the glaringly obvious isn't always so obvious until someone points it out...

And on a hunch I suspect Gino also has other supporting tells, but it's a catch 22 if he tells the world about them then the next recaster would know what to erase to hide his tracks...

But we can continue to add what ifs all day, I suggest we follow Occam's razor unless there is something to support the what ifs...

Right now we have something to support that it is a recast, the same small detail on his helmet as found on Gino's and TE's thus that hypothesis has supporting evidence... I have yet to see any of the proposed "what ifs" to be supported with any type of similar evidence, they are simply what ifs with no substance...

If the bump is gone on later pulls them there is the possibility he caught it at a later time and removed it, or while resurfacing the buck to repair and restore it due to damage it might have be eliminated...

And in the end the dead silence from TM is bothersome...

 

[GINO]

Do you really think a bump that is visible on the outside of a pull would not stand out like a sore thumb on the actual form ?

It's visible, but it's not in an area that anyone would pay attention to or focus on.
I believe he re-worked some things, sharpened things, sanded things away, etc... but it appears that little bump didn't go bye bye until a later revision/clean up. And I'm sure when he removed it that he didn't even realize he was doing so.
It's visible, but not popping out at you. You almost wouldn't notice it unless someone pointed it out to you.

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[Tim Allen]

Those "bumps" are anything but obvious, you have to be looking for them and have specific lighting/ angles for them to show up otherwise they blend right in with the white helmet.

When I was sculpting my 300 helmet I used a small flashlight placed at angles to tell if I had any bump/lumps similar to what GINO is talking about

 

[GINO]

That is correct, it is very hard to photograph them. You have to have the light hitting them in just the right way for them to show up in the pics at all.

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[firebladejedi]

It's important to look at the overall physical features, not things that would be affected by the assembly.

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You said it right here, we need more evidence than a small photo. There are a few places in which the TM helmet differs from other screen used derivatives. Your evidence is weak at best and just a unconscionable attack at worst.

 

[Bobtherocker]

That might be true for U.S monopoly money but not good old British sterling my friend. And its not all I'm paid to do but of course, if this is the GINO i can piss furthar than you show then i bow to your superiority. it seems to me that there isnt one person on this board that can do anything better than you. it's all gone a bit playground so I'll come back when something sensible has happened.
I tell you what though, I'm not sure about my Rolex, I'll send it ya and you can tell me if its a fake or not. waddya say?:lol

Oh please, like you need an expert to be able to tell fake currency.
I've seen every bill out there, and have held at one point just about all of them so I'm just as qualified as you.
Whoever is paying you to do that is wasting their money.

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[exoray]

Your evidence is weak at best and just a unconscionable attack at worst.

The above statement is stuffed with irony...

Gino has stated his claim(s) and provided photo evidence to back it up, yet (unless I missed it) there has been nothing, zip, zero, zilch that holds any substance to counter it... Just a lot of what ifs and personal attacks at Gino for daring to say...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Doesn't the second hand continuously sweep on a real Rolex, or do I have it backwards?

 

[Bobtherocker]

Doesn't the second hand continuously sweep on a real Rolex, or do I have it backwards?

:eek

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

:eek

What'd I say? :confused

 

[GINO]

That might be true for U.S monopoly money but not good old British sterling my friend. And its not all I'm paid to do but of course, if this is the GINO i can piss furthar than you show then i bow to your superiority. it seems to me that there isnt one person on this board that can do anything better than you. it's all gone a bit playground so I'll come back when something sensible has happened.
I tell you what though, I'm not sure about my Rolex, I'll send it ya and you can tell me if its a fake or not. waddya say?:lol

Joe, didn't you see my post where I said that I was being sarcastic to make a point? (see my post #200 of this thread)
I'm sure it takes a lot of dedication, knowledge, and expertise to do what you do, but I was also trying to point out to you that it is no different regarding me SW props.

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[runnriottt]

The above statement is stuffed with irony...

Gino has stated his claim(s) and provided photo evidence to back it up, yet (unless I missed it) there has been nothing, zip, zero, zilch that holds any substance to counter it... Just a lot of what ifs and personal attacks at Gino for daring to say...

Well I am sitting here with this helmet. I know I am just a costume flunkie recast supporter to GINO, but I own both a TE2 and a TM. I have No Bump on my helmet. I have posted pics. I even noticed that all the helmets in question have paint. Those with out bumps are unpainted. Hmm...

Its not lighting, Its not camera, its just not there. Unless someone wants it to be...:rolleyes

What I do see is the tube kink, bigger under cut, tears have the oval, Mic tip holes different shape, Back vent squares larger, Vocoder sharper, rear cap line more pronounced, deeper tear pull, and an over all rounder shorter looking helmet than the TE2. Plus did I say no bump?

So Far all of us that own this helmet that are involved in this conversation have no bump save one, Ghost, and his is painted.

I am not saying that he is wrong, but there are no other bumps to be had save for Gino's pic that is suppose to be the death nail for TM. But then the only support as far as proof is concerned is brushed off as "recast supporter" speak.

This is fully transparent. I don't have to attack Gino. He has done that himself. The things he has said here in this thread further diminish what he is doing. If you have more Gino now is the time.

If you reason is "So he dosent make it better crap" on with holding your pics I say if your right TM looses anyway. Pony up GINO, all of us with TM lids will look. We will take pics and post. I am sure then with all the new pics of this helmet you can concoct what ever else you want to say. I think you are baiting us to show pics... But Ill play.


If your Wrong... I hope that you chew that humble pie well. Would not want to choke on it.

And TM never has to say a word. His work does all the talking for him.

 

[GINO]

And TM never has to say a word. His work does all the talking for him.

No, his customers apparently do the talking for him.
No surprise there. That's usually how these things go.

As I said before, there are no other possible better photos that could possibly be taken to better show this. If one is dense enough to look at that bird's eye view photo and believe that could be replicated with that kind of accuracy, then there is no hope for changing your mind.
A million new pics could be taken, but none would show it better or more effectively than that.

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[runnriottt]

:thumbsdown

Bull.

You don't have anything else, and what you have is weak.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I have just one question; Is it completely outside the realm of possibility that Ghost has an earlier helmet? That said, would TM not try and rid his mold of said tells with a bit of sanding and refinishing.

I'm sorry, there have yet to be spot on fan-sculpts of ANY of the Star Wars helmets.