exoray
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I find in more humorous that you are reading both threads and taking notes and details, only to come here and post a one hit wonder attack or snide remark towards Gino that added nothing of substance to the thread...
Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?
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I find in more humorous that you are reading both threads and taking notes and details, only to come here and post a one hit wonder attack or snide remark towards Gino that added nothing of substance to the thread...
defstartrooper
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You're right and that includes TM's trooper helmets, as already pointed out in the thread there are a number of things that are off about TM's helmet compared to those that derive from originals and not simply the odd teensie bump that may or may not be there.
cerillo
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Not so,... I commend Gino and anyone who has the information to the Items they possess and the History it represents.
These topics can go back and forth, but it reminds me of a story I'ld like to share with you. I recieved orders in Jan of 2003 to 29 Palms, Ca. and the wife and I decide to travel across country. I always wanted to see New Orleans. So we decided that when we got there, we would take carriage ride and before we started the tour, the guide told us that his history of the city was a little hazy, but there was some truth to it. As we were riding along we would stop at a site and he would tell us a brief history of that site, Low and behold there was a guy walking along side of us and I thought nothing of it as the streets are narrow and he showed no interest. But as we came to another stop and as the tour guide began to speak, He was then interrupted by the guy walking along side of us, "NO, NO, NO, that's not what Happened", At first all was calm, but then It got Heated, Finally I jumped in and said "I'M TRYING TO ENJOY THE RIDE, SO I REALLY DON'T CARE IF IT HAPPENED OR NOT!!!.. They both looked at me and the Man went on his way. Later on I bought a Book and you Know what? the tour guide was right. My point is that sometimes if you just listen to those who speak you can enjoy the ride and if you search for it, you will find the info you seek....
runnriottt
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Well I cant find my tripod. I did the best I could.
Ya know, I wish I could send all these to Adam and Jamie. :lol
But in that style I thought as best I could with what I have ready. Wife is at work, so I have the time... She all ready thinks I am nuts, this would sprinkle that cake. :lol
Anyway...
I first did the mirror thing, On the same stand, with the backs of the helmet touching the base. I then lined up the shot using the basket in the back ground. Human error is there, like I said, can't find my tripod. These shots taken with a Sony Vid camera. My still is dead and I have not gotten to borrow one yet.
AP
TM
TE2
CAP
Why add the CAP? Ill explain later.
Then I took them back outside. Its raining. This sucked...
But the front stoop has a grid on it in tile. So I lined up the noses using a straight edge and the step. Hope you all are still with me... Long post.
Then took these shots.
Now they are all super similar. They should be. We all know the history of the screen buckets. The TM is close as well. Closer than the AP.
So I turned them around. Lined up the back of the helmet to the stoop with the edge.
The TM is the Biggest Snout wise. The TE2 next and then the CAP. As it should be. The CAP was my second known point. It is derived from a TE1.
The TM is not from a screen lid. This pales the AP, for it is way small. That makes me wonder about the AP of all things...
I know.. One can say my angles are off. I am trying thought to be as straight as possible. My toes on the stoop.
My detailing aside, These are just to different. Notice how big the vents are on the TM next to the TE2. And my decals are off... Yeesh.
Ya know, I wish I could send all these to Adam and Jamie. :lol
But in that style I thought as best I could with what I have ready. Wife is at work, so I have the time... She all ready thinks I am nuts, this would sprinkle that cake. :lol
Anyway...
I first did the mirror thing, On the same stand, with the backs of the helmet touching the base. I then lined up the shot using the basket in the back ground. Human error is there, like I said, can't find my tripod. These shots taken with a Sony Vid camera. My still is dead and I have not gotten to borrow one yet.
AP
TM
TE2
CAP
Why add the CAP? Ill explain later.
Then I took them back outside. Its raining. This sucked...
But the front stoop has a grid on it in tile. So I lined up the noses using a straight edge and the step. Hope you all are still with me... Long post. Then took these shots.
Now they are all super similar. They should be. We all know the history of the screen buckets. The TM is close as well. Closer than the AP.
So I turned them around. Lined up the back of the helmet to the stoop with the edge.
The TM is the Biggest Snout wise. The TE2 next and then the CAP. As it should be. The CAP was my second known point. It is derived from a TE1.
The TM is not from a screen lid. This pales the AP, for it is way small. That makes me wonder about the AP of all things...
I know.. One can say my angles are off. I am trying thought to be as straight as possible. My toes on the stoop.
My detailing aside, These are just to different. Notice how big the vents are on the TM next to the TE2. And my decals are off... Yeesh.
runnriottt
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Says you.
Let the others post up.
Let the others post up.
GINO
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Even in all the pics you post it is completely beyond obvious.
Being the hardcore recaster supporter you are, and your affiliation with the other self admitted (and proud of it) recasters who are active members on the rpf (CAP-weibes, vaj, and now TM) I am not surprised at all by your denial of the overwhelming evidence.
You could care less whether or not what I'm saying is true.
All you see is that I'm exposing your friend and the guy who sells you stuff and that upsets you.
Even when it is shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, you are one of those along with your ilk who will never concede to the truth.
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Being the hardcore recaster supporter you are, and your affiliation with the other self admitted (and proud of it) recasters who are active members on the rpf (CAP-weibes, vaj, and now TM) I am not surprised at all by your denial of the overwhelming evidence.
You could care less whether or not what I'm saying is true.
All you see is that I'm exposing your friend and the guy who sells you stuff and that upsets you.
Even when it is shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, you are one of those along with your ilk who will never concede to the truth.
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runnriottt
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I support CAP for TE recast him. Owning a CAP is like owning a TE that is well made and will ship on time.
I support TE2 for he is one hell of a nice guy, as well as TM.
I support the 501st for all the work we do for others. I organize and plan events for kids. I have been blessed to be on TV because of it.
Damn me if you want. Call me names and belittle me. Its OK. Am I going to pour Silicone on these? NO. Am I on the RR Vader helmet? YES. That has no ties to anyone.
Its easy to slam you as well. Its easy to call out your weirdo things as well.
I said it on FISD and I will say it here as well. Your hobby is different than mine. I am defending TM for you call him a liar. Flat out.
Are you any better Gino? What is the FULL story of your lid. You wont say. Yet you cast TM to the fire.
You are no better. The original Recaster is still... A recaster.
Slide on that Vader armor and do something with it, TK as well. Oh, I know you dont play dress up.
I see it as dressing down. Making yourself better by helping others.
GINO
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I had some posts forwarded to me from the recaster's haven board that you runnriott (tk9135) are a staunch supporter of. What amazes me is that those guys over there, who openly admit recasting people and are proud of it, are allowed to be members here.
Even more disgusting are the people who support them. Some of the people on that board would shock some. (cap/weibes, vaj, gundamzepplin, runnriott, trooperstormy, the list goes on.
Here are some of those posts: weibes is cap70 here on the rpf
by Weibes on Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:29 pm
heheheheeee, i have had enuff from those who dont like me, so i say F%#K them! I am not gonna take it anymore.. I will recast anything i want at anytime from anyone! they will not stop me...mmmuuuuhhhahaaaaa
by Weibes on Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:34 pm
they are just pissed because i took what they had and made it better. they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Weibes on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:55 pm
I will never stop and it will never end. Cheers! I am free!
by Weibes on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:23 pm
True, he came right after me when i told him i recast TE.. he made it his mission, which i could care less. So that makes it worthless to spend your time on in my eyes. being banned from the prop community dont mean S@$T to me, so he really didnt change anything. But he does make a very good point about the TM helmet, theres no way he sculpted it, NO WAY! its just to close to the real thing, maybe he used TE and SDS to make one helmet he calls his own, that would explaine the flattened eye area. just my two cents.
by R2Dan on Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:33 pm
I highly doubt he sculpted it as well. Heavily modified, yes, but it's not an entire sculpt. So yeah, Gino has a point there
Why post these seemingly OT comments? Because it shows the mindset of almost all (not all) but most of the people here defending TM even in the face of OVERWHELMING evidence.
They don't want to see one of their own be exposed.
And as far as your 501st comment goes, if you guys are representative of that group, then that is just plain friggin sad.
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Even more disgusting are the people who support them. Some of the people on that board would shock some. (cap/weibes, vaj, gundamzepplin, runnriott, trooperstormy, the list goes on.
Here are some of those posts: weibes is cap70 here on the rpf
by Weibes on Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:29 pm
heheheheeee, i have had enuff from those who dont like me, so i say F%#K them! I am not gonna take it anymore.. I will recast anything i want at anytime from anyone! they will not stop me...mmmuuuuhhhahaaaaa
by Weibes on Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:34 pm
they are just pissed because i took what they had and made it better. they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Weibes on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:55 pm
I will never stop and it will never end. Cheers! I am free!
by Weibes on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:23 pm
True, he came right after me when i told him i recast TE.. he made it his mission, which i could care less. So that makes it worthless to spend your time on in my eyes. being banned from the prop community dont mean S@$T to me, so he really didnt change anything. But he does make a very good point about the TM helmet, theres no way he sculpted it, NO WAY! its just to close to the real thing, maybe he used TE and SDS to make one helmet he calls his own, that would explaine the flattened eye area. just my two cents.
by R2Dan on Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:33 pm
I highly doubt he sculpted it as well. Heavily modified, yes, but it's not an entire sculpt. So yeah, Gino has a point there
Why post these seemingly OT comments? Because it shows the mindset of almost all (not all) but most of the people here defending TM even in the face of OVERWHELMING evidence.
They don't want to see one of their own be exposed.
And as far as your 501st comment goes, if you guys are representative of that group, then that is just plain friggin sad.
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runnriottt
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And I support TM there too. And I have said many a time I hope that the TM is never touched.
Again Gino... I am not ashamed of any of my involvement in this hobby.
I know all kinds. As do you.
So you go there too. Still proving you are no better than me.
Again Gino... I am not ashamed of any of my involvement in this hobby.
I know all kinds. As do you.
So you go there too. Still proving you are no better than me.
runnriottt
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As should you for the way you treat others.
runnriottt
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As are the bullies.
I am done. I took my pics, I said my part. I have been bashed enough and in this game of longest lasting I give in first. I believe TM. It will be for not if he did lie, and I will move on. But I still have a great helmet to troop. To share with others.
I hope that some day you get what you want Gino. But in reality you won't. Nothing will be good enough. Everything starts and ends with you. Thank you Star Wars God. If not for you and TE back dooring things we would have nothing. I know the story.
Polish your ego, brag your parts. Never let them see the light of day. Keep them for yourself. Sit behind that wall you built, look down on all of us peeons and smile, gloat and bully. We let you.
I am done. I took my pics, I said my part. I have been bashed enough and in this game of longest lasting I give in first. I believe TM. It will be for not if he did lie, and I will move on. But I still have a great helmet to troop. To share with others.
I hope that some day you get what you want Gino. But in reality you won't. Nothing will be good enough. Everything starts and ends with you. Thank you Star Wars God. If not for you and TE back dooring things we would have nothing. I know the story.
Polish your ego, brag your parts. Never let them see the light of day. Keep them for yourself. Sit behind that wall you built, look down on all of us peeons and smile, gloat and bully. We let you.
Reactor drone
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Getting back to the bump,I don't think it's significant unless it's visible on the inside of the pull which would indicate that it's present on the moulds.
If the interior is smooth and there's a bump in a similar spot on the outside it's probably a cold spot drag from an insufficiently heated mould,that would also explain why it appears on some helmets and not others.
If the interior is smooth and there's a bump in a similar spot on the outside it's probably a cold spot drag from an insufficiently heated mould,that would also explain why it appears on some helmets and not others.
Darth Niob
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This thread is another example what could happen if you take this HOBBY !!!too serious:rolleyes
Tim Allen
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Thats the nail in the coffen for me, sorry but sculpting something symetrical is one thing but recreating identical "warped" face plates so that not only do they match looking straight on but also in a mirror (which would point out all the different flaws) would be impossable without copying it.
If he did "sculpt it" its nothing more than a modified version, not straight from scratch.
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Bobtherocker
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wow, still going?
Firstly, sorry GINO, I had my sarcasm filter on so may have reacted a little sensitively. My apologies.
secondly, those mirror shots are quite interesting.
However, *columbo mode* There's just one thing that bothers me. I keep reading comments from folks saying "nobody could sculpt something that accurately" or "nobody could capture those asymetries so closely"
erm, yes they could. Maybe not me but I've been fortunate to be in the company of many a fine sculpter in my time, mostly while doing my degree, so not prop based but fine art based. traditional sculpting I suppose.
I've seen somone sculpt a bust of a fellow artist and it was uncanny. Every subtle nuance captured, simply amazing. She worked from photos and had the subject sit for her. Now we're basing our arguments on the capturing of asymetry. The trooper helmet is rather clumsy and obvious in its asymetry compared to the asymetry of the human face and head so for people to be able to say it cant be done is bit arrogant isnt it?
I'm not saying this in defence of the accused but If I'm going to make a decision on his guilt or not it's got to be grounded in cold hard facts.
I'll agree, the mirror shots are very intriguing but my eyes are still seeing many differences.
I will be whole heartedly dissapointed if it turns out to be true and I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement.
carry on.
Firstly, sorry GINO, I had my sarcasm filter on so may have reacted a little sensitively. My apologies.
secondly, those mirror shots are quite interesting.
However, *columbo mode* There's just one thing that bothers me. I keep reading comments from folks saying "nobody could sculpt something that accurately" or "nobody could capture those asymetries so closely"
erm, yes they could. Maybe not me but I've been fortunate to be in the company of many a fine sculpter in my time, mostly while doing my degree, so not prop based but fine art based. traditional sculpting I suppose.
I've seen somone sculpt a bust of a fellow artist and it was uncanny. Every subtle nuance captured, simply amazing. She worked from photos and had the subject sit for her. Now we're basing our arguments on the capturing of asymetry. The trooper helmet is rather clumsy and obvious in its asymetry compared to the asymetry of the human face and head so for people to be able to say it cant be done is bit arrogant isnt it?
I'm not saying this in defence of the accused but If I'm going to make a decision on his guilt or not it's got to be grounded in cold hard facts.
I'll agree, the mirror shots are very intriguing but my eyes are still seeing many differences.
I will be whole heartedly dissapointed if it turns out to be true and I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement.
carry on.
GINO
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No problem Joe. I was only trying to illustrate the similarities of our perspectives though the glory of sarcasm/irony.
I would say that if one would be whole heartedly disappointed, then their judgement is already being somewhat clouded. Saying you would be disappointed indicates that you are rooting for his innocence.
This should be looked at without emotion, one way or another, for the truth.
I realize for some, this is easier said then done, and I am trying my best to be as patient with them as possible.
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