Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?

[GINO]

No, of course not. As I said before, the bump is just the icing on the cake.
Just one look at the helmet was enough for me to tell all those years back.
Looking at that bird's eye view should be telling enough for anyone who truly understands the complexities of trying to replicate something with exacting precision.

Kind of just like when I first saw the SDS helmet and had to argue with a slew of people that were trying to say it was just like the screen helmets.
Feels very similar.
AA was a nice guy, there's no way he lied to us. We don't WANT to believe he is wrong. Gino is wrong, he doesn't sell to us and he is a meanie.

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[TKDUEUNO]

You know in your heart that he did it Carsten.
You just won't admit it publicly or even to yourself because you let your personal fondness for TM interfere with your reason. Something many here are just as guilty of.

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I like TE2 more than TM, especially the helmet, but I chose to buy TM because it's in ABS, and i want a more tough and durable armor, so fondness is not biasing my opinion.

If you're doing this for the sake of truth, it's really futile because you ask us to believe something YOU saw with your experienced eyes.

Just like believing a girl who says she saw the Virgin Mary.

You ask us a leap of faith: some will jump, some will not.

The last word can only come from TM himself if he lied and confesses.

 

[defstartrooper]

With respect Gino you either have proof or not.
If you have proof you should present it, you wouldn't want to be a recaster supporter by allowing a recaster to remain a member here would you ?
If you don't have proof you should stop spreading rumour until you have it.

 

[GINO]

The pics already presented are proof enough. There isn't anything more that could be presented that would show it better.

All the photo comparisons in the world with the two helmets side by side aren't going to prove it to people ANY better than that bird's eye shot. That is everything anyone really needs. We've seen it time and time again when someone tries to recreate a helmet from scratch. When you look at it from a bird's eye view, it falls apart. Ask any of the Fett veterans out there.
And Fett is SO MUCH simpler a helmet to replicate in regards to it's sculpted forms. Still you can't replicate all those warpy shapes so precisely.
No way. No how. And certainly not TM.
If he is such the master sculptor, why is his armor so far off from the original? He just didn't care about it like the helmet? Please.


There is not going to be any canadian coin type of epiphany with something like this.

Just like the SDS debacle. You either saw it, or you didn't. In time, those who didn't see it then (or believe me then) sure do see it and believe me now.

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[lambotour]

For the record, I own one trooper helmet, a GF, that came with the GF suit. I don't know TM nor have I ever bought one of his helmets. I have no emotional or financial investment in any of his helmets or even an emotional or financial interest in exposing him as a recaster. If he is one, then do what must be done, however; the so called evidence presented against him is weak. The bump, paint drip, casting flaw, ants under the paint do not match. You can shout it all you want, but anyone claiming to be an expert at details who doesn't see that they are not in the same spot is fooling himself and attempting to brainwash the masses. Just as many sit home behind their keyboard and think the same thing, but do not come forward for whatever reason.

I think everyone's opinion matters, new guy or old. Present more proof and not just one pic and boastful comments. I've heard about a certain trooper vendor recasting the MIC tips on his helmets from SDS ones, so all kinds of accusations are always thrown around.:angel Just don't get your little panties in an uproar because people don't agree with what you say especially if concrete proof hasn't been shown. If there are other pics than can be shown go right ahead and show them.

 

[GINO]

No but you DO have a history of having issues with me personally and post in dogpile threads over the years. Same as some others posting here.

Also you not being trooper helmet knowledgeable kind of makes your opinion less weighted.

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[defstartrooper]

I don't agree that it cannot be replicated from scratch,i think there are a number of people here alone that could replicate the face perfectly from scratch if they wanted to especially if they have physical reference aswell as photographic.
The bump is a curiosity i can't quite see if as you suggested he recast a face and cleaned it up that he would overlook this bump.
While it might not be so clear on an actual pull i think this bump would be easily noticed on the form and a big giveaway so the question is why would he be so careful to remove other tells and leave this one behind ?

You may be right you may be wrong all i'm pointing out is that this is not the damning evidence you keep telling us it is.

 

[lambotour]

No but you DO have a history of having issues with me personally and post in dogpile threads over the years. Same as some others posting here.

Also you not being trooper helmet knowledgeable kind of makes your opinion less weighted.

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No, absolutely not. I have nothing personal against you at all. I don't particularly like how you talk down to people, but that's their problem if they choose not to defend themselves. I think I've made one post in the last year that could be viewed as not agreeing with you and that was in the Tie pilot hose thread when you pissed on everyone who put you in the right direction. I think that was it. If you are keeping tabs on how many threads I speak against you though, I think you are the one with a personal issue with me.

As far as my trooper knowledge, just because I stay quiet doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, much like vader. If you'd like I could post your own comparison pic of your Gino V2 helmet against the original and point out the discrepancies I see and you could educate me on the differences?

 

[TKDUEUNO]

These are the overlayed bird's eye view pics Gino posted.

Frown matched, same size.

You can clearly see how much they differ.

And please don't start the POV BS, a 5° angle doesn't change a damn thing.

Too bad we haven't got HD pictures.

 

[Clutch]

You can't overlay pics like that because they way they are assembled will make a difference.

 

[Newbie Doobie]

Again with the wordplay and no showing this "damning" evidence. You didn't even attempt proving it then, let alone now. One bump as evidence? WOW.

And I have not bought any helmets or armor from TM, so you can't excuse my call out for more convincing proof, as me just protecting an investment.

I find it sad how you just so easily label anyone disagreeing with you as idiots, recaster supporters, and whatnot instead of actually backing up your claim. All these pages and all we got to show for it is one bump that aren't even on all helmets and not even exactly in the right spot, and so far not cleared up if it was on earlier helmets or sporadic, but just a bunch of wordplay and avoidance.

If you actually took a little time to clearly show what you are seeing rather than *****ing and moaning why no one just accepts your word for it, I think you would have a better chance of convincing people, but you don't even waste time with that, just automatically making assumptions and accusations against people for not believing in you. Since you know that doesn't fly well... why do you keep doing things that way? Like you're setting yourself up for the inevitable fight that could have been prevented by actually SHOWING instead of TELLING.

Sorry if this is getting too personal. It just irks me that anyone not automatically siding with GINO gets smeared and ridiculed.

And being called sockpuppets!! Just like the rots vader helmet thread.:confused

 

[defstartrooper]

You can't overlay pics like that because they way they are assembled will make a difference.

You're right but according to Gino we can eyeball it and see they are identical

 

[Too Much Garlic]

You can't overlay pics like that because they way they are assembled will make a difference.

I agree.

Unassembled parts would be better for comparison use.

 

[Bobtherocker]

sometimes GINO your pedantry and arrogance knows no bounds.
We're not all costumers who play dress up and dont know what we're looking at and to presume as much is insulting.
I dont know TM any more than I know you so my judgements are made souly on evidence produced and to hand and not on who my current best friend is To genuinely think that your eyes are the only eyes in this hobby that can spot the differences between stormtrooper helmets is pure megalomania and arrogance of the highest degree.
It's quite conceivable that we too can see what you see but come to different conclusions. Your retort? I obviously cant see what you see because otherwise I'd agree with you, and because I'm not fully convinced yet I must be a blind supporter of recasters.
Why do you have a pitchfork put aside for anyone who appears to be doing something stormtroooper related that may be in danger of usurping your authority on stormtrooper knowledge. I say what I see and your intentions are clear but your motives are not.
And for the record, i'm not a supporter of recasters or shortsided and I do think that so far the pictures used as evidence prove inconclusive. the bump is damning but the myriad of other differences however subtle are too many to ignore. I am however a supporter of truth so if you are right GINO I will be humble enough to acknowledge it.
I'm still sitting on the fence:cool

 

[GINO]

You're right but according to Gino we can eyeball it and see they are identical

Yes, for sure.
It's like showing one of my non-prop SW friends an FX helmet. He wouldn't know it wasn't one of mine if I didn't tell him.
Because he isn't intimately familiar with the features/forms of the original like I am.
Those who are can take one look at TM's helmet and immediately know.

The problem is trying to bring some other's who can't see it up to speed so they can see what we can. That's a big and separate challenge all by itself.

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[DivineHeresy]

You can't overlay pics like that because they way they are assembled will make a difference.

I agree with Clutch on that one. We've already been over how assembling a helmet cant change it's width and such.

 

[Bobtherocker]

I deal with spotting counterfeit currency on a daily basis and have a pretty high success rate, it requires far more attention to detail than a stormtrooper helmet which is childs play by comparison. You are an expert in a field that is not really that difficult to get your head round so please stop with the 'nobody but me can tell the difference' line.

aww, to hell with it, your space trooper helmet looks much nicerer than that other blokes cyberman helmet, is it a real one that is from the actual film?:lol

Yes, for sure.
It's like showing one of my non-prop SW friends an FX helmet. He wouldn't know it wasn't one of mine if I didn't tell him.
Because he isn't intimately familiar with the features/forms of the original like I am.
Those who are can take one look at TM's helmet and immediately know.

The problem is trying to bring some other's who can't see it up to speed so they can see what we can. That's a big and separate challenge all by itself.

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[GINO]

Oh please, like you need an expert to be able to tell fake currency.
I've seen every bill out there, and have held at one point just about all of them so I'm just as qualified as you.
Whoever is paying you to do that is wasting their money.

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[exoray]

I deal with spotting counterfeit currency on a daily basis and have a pretty high success rate, it requires far more attention to detail than a stormtrooper helmet which is childs play by comparison

And I would guess that you will agree that it's the small tells and minute details that give most decent counterfeits away... I suspect any good counterfeit currency is probably 95% or more near perfect, and like this helmet case you focus on the small details to make your determination...

 

[GINO]

Exactly.
In my post above I was being sarcastic to point out the irony in what he was saying (in case anyone didn't realize it).

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