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Re: Who is the best Director. Well, in your mind.

And how exactly is it idiotic? The only art that isn't up for review or opinion is the one that the artist creates, and then never shows anyone ever.

Kubrick lopped something like 19 minutes off of 2001 after its initial showing. So even he thought it required tweeking.

Why presume any opinion about a piece of film, no matter what it is or who made it, is worthless?

You're not going to start defending the prequels are you?
 
I love Kubrick - but he was more of a great photographer than director - the thing people remember most from his film are not actor exchanges of dialogue but those long shots he would compose.

For me Orson Welles is unbeatable. He changed cinema and knew how to make good actors great.

Modern directors aren't directors at all - they have so many luxuries that allow them to go back and change anything they want.
 
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I love Kubrick - but he was more of a great photographer than director - the thing people remember most from his film are not actor exchanges of dialogue but those long shots he would compose.

And yet that's only because people seem to forget entirely about The Killing, Lolita, Spartacus, Dr. Strangelove etc., focusing instead on Stanley's experiments with deliberately reduced dialogue and character in 2001 and Clockwork Orange. Kubrick's responsible for some of the most intense dialogue scenes on film. Strangelove, for instance, is constant dialogue exchange of the highest possible order. And what he gets out of Sterling Hayden in The Killing is electric, explosive.
 
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About the length of the Stargate sequence. I wouldn't trim it, no. It's not there to make a plot point and be gone; it's there to freak you the F out. It's uncomfortably long, but that's Kubrick trying to space you out, to terrify you with your smallness, to play havoc with your ordinary frames of reference.

It's one of the most deeply affecting pieces of film ever assembled, in my view.
 
And yet that's only because people seem to forget entirely about The Killing, Lolita, Spartacus, Dr. Strangelove etc., focusing instead on Stanley's experiments with deliberately reduced dialogue and character in 2001 and Clockwork Orange. Kubrick's responsible for some of the most intense dialogue scenes on film. Strangelove, for instance, is constant dialogue exchange of the highest possible order. And what he gets out of Sterling Hayden in The Killing is electric, explosive.

I haven't ruled out any of those films - Paths of Glory is another, and believe me in 89 while i was at UT film school there was no other director for me but Kubrick- but you also must take into account Kubricks method for analyzing mood for each piece of work and just where the material came from. Lolita was a book that was reduced but the basic layout was there before Stanley ever took it on. Strangelove's dialogue was thanks to Sellers who had connstant arguments with Kubrick over the lack of - this caused everyday rewrites on set as stated in Seller's book. This method that Kubrick hated grew on him and eventually became his preferred way of making movies. Kubrick started as a photographer and i think that's where his heart stayed. He even says as much during an interview for eyes wide shut. Barry lyndon as well as 2001 were visual achievements - and thats what he wanted them to be. He loved cameras more than actors.
 
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What the ****, over? We're filing briefs in Dork Court, now? :lol I'm not avoiding the question; I'm being polite by not telling you it's idiotic.


I saw this interesting thread and thought to myself...

"I wonder how long before Larry chimes in and ruins it by starting his passive aggressive faux-jolly with bitter undertone personal attacks"

Predictability - it's the thing I dislike more than your preachy bullying. Oh yeah, and a smiley so it's ok to post this ... :lol I learned that from you.
 
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I haven't ruled out any of those films - Paths of Glory is another, and believe me in 89 while i was at UT film school there was no other director for me but Kubrick- but you also must take into account Kubricks method for analyzing mood for each piece of work and just where the material came from. Lolita was a book that was reduced but the basic layout was there before Stanley ever took it on. Strangelove's dialogue was thanks to Sellers who had connstant arguments with Kubrick over the lack of - this caused everyday rewrites on set as stated in Seller's book. This method that Kubrick hated grew on him and eventually became his preferred way of making movies. Kubrick started as a photographer and i think that's where his heart stayed. He even says as much during an interview for eyes wide shut. Barry lyndon as well as 2001 were visual achievements - and thats what he wanted them to be. He loved cameras more than actors.

I take your point re Strangelove; but as for Lolita, well, loads of great dialogue/actor directors have worked from novels, notably Hitchcock. Still, you're right that it's true that as Kubrick gained more independence his work became more visual. Some would argue, though, that that makes his films more purely cinematic, too; that it's a case for calling him a Great Director.
 
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"I wonder how long before Larry chimes in and ruins it by starting his passive aggressive faux-jolly with bitter undertone personal attacks?"

Well, I did apologize before you made your observation, so it looks like someone is growing as a human being. :lol
 
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Sorry; that was a little strong, wasn't it?

it's all good

and thanks Colin for that well thought out answer, but it makes me have to ask:, Do you think that sequence looses some of it's impact on the small screen?
 
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In seriousness, I can't take any over Spielberg. Raiders, Jurassic Park, Jaws. This guy defined movie magic. Regardless of what you think about his more recent films, there was a two decade period where damn near everything he did was solid gold.
1975 Jaws
1977 Close Encounters
1981 Raiders
1982 ET
1984 Temple of Doom
1989 Last Crusade
1991 Hook
1993 Jurassic Park
1993 Schindlers List
1997 Lost World
1997 Amistad
1998 Saving Private Ryan


Thats not even all the films he did, just the ones I've seen and can vouch for being awesome. (Well, mosly awesome... I'm looking at you Temple of Doom and Lost World!)
 
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I love Kubrick - but he was more of a great photographer than director - the thing people remember most from his film are not actor exchanges of dialogue but those long shots he would compose. .

There’s no denying Kubrick’s love for, and mastery of, photography. No one could frame and light a shot better than Kubrick.

Come to think of it, no one was better at moving the camera than Kubrick. Or choosing the best actor for the role. Or helping that actor realize his best, most memorable screen performance.

No one was better at deciding when and where to cut (and not cut) a shot for maximum dramatic impact -- including one transition in particular that’s widely regarded as one of the best edits in the history of cinema.

No one was better at choosing just the right music for a scene, taking a classical piece like When Johnny Comes Marching Home, The Blue Danube, or The Thieving Magpies and infusing it with an entirely new, pop-culturally iconic meaning.

No one was better at coaxing career-defining production designs out of Ken Adam and Harry Lange.

No one was better at orchestrating a brilliant marketing campaign, in the process co-inventing (with Pablo Ferro) the modern movie trailer.

No one was better at writing or co-writing some of the twentieth century’s most memorable lines of screen dialogue, or (in the case of Peter Sellers, Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey) having the instinct and confidence to let his actors improvise many of their own lines.

No one was better at selecting big, relevant, timeless themes, and exploring those themes in intellectually rigorous, stylistically daring, technologically groundbreaking ways.

No one was better at showing the audience something they’d never seen, heard, or experienced before.

No one was a better director than Stanley Kubrick.

Strangelove's dialogue was thanks to Sellers who had connstant arguments with Kubrick over the lack of - this caused everyday rewrites on set as stated in Seller's book.

Although Sellers did improvise some terrific moments in Strangelove he can hardly be credited with “Strangelove’s dialogue,” the vast majority of which was penned by Kubrick in collaboration with Terry Southern (as evidenced by the original production draft of the Strangelove screenplay currently on display at the AMPAS library).

As far as last-minute rewrites are concerned, it is true that Kubrick often liked to let his actors riff their own lines and, if something struck his fancy, work said lines into the screenplay. Dialogue was constantly being revised in this way, and some actors found the process painful. Of course, these were often the same actors who went on to deliver the most memorable performances of their careers as a result of Kubrick’s method of working.
 
Re: Who is the best Director. Well, in your mind.

Ridely Scott...period

2001, A Clockwork Orange, and The Shining, but Kubrick's later films were flawed-- "Eyes Wide Shut" is almost unwatchable.
 
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Kubrick was king.

Mann is a contender...love the raw camera work with those night sky backdrops.
 
Re: Who is the best Director. Well, in your mind.

Ridely Scott...period

2001, A Clockwork Orange, and The Shining, but Kubrick's later films were flawed-- "Eyes Wide Shut" is almost unwatchable.

Unlike Scott's Robin Hood, which is clearly a masterpiece.

:rolleyes

Kubrick gave us Paths of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita, Strangelove, 2001, Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, The Shining, and Full Metal Jacket.

Scott has given us Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise and Gladiator.

I'll concede both men are terrific visionaries but, as his record shows, Ridley Scott is no stranger to the word "flawed."

I mean, did you see 1492, G.I. Jane and Matchstick Men?
 
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My favorite is Kubrick.

I just wished he had been able to do AI. I think it would have been amazing. You can see the dark genius in the story despite the glee Spielberg touch.
 
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